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Manticore

Manticore
Rubbernuke said:
I'll be interested at your opinion of the new film, as I'm quite torn over it.
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I'll get back to you.....

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Lysette

Lysette
Darth Ender said:
what's lockdown for 3 days supposed to do for a virus that takes like 1-2 weeks for tests to show as infected? Assuming everyone is being tested..
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it does what it should do - keep people from eventually spreading a virus before all contacts could be tracked and these people be isolated - we just need a couple of more days to track down these contacts. If we would just let people go on with their lives like before those contacts are tracked, then one infected among them could cause an outbreak - better safe than sorry, so we have a 3 days lockdown and it will be fine once those contacts are removed from public life and be quarantined properly - it doesn't matter if they actually are infected or not, they will be quarantined, if they have been in contact with someone having the virus.
 

Lysette

Lysette
nemolomen said:
I always tell my children/grandchildren, especially the boys, "You are free to do anything for which you are willing to accept the consequences, whether you know about the consequences beforehand or not." and then I ask them "Are you willing to accept the, known or otherwise, consequences of your proposed actions?"

Hopefully they keep this with them for the rest of their lives...
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this is a good strategy - it is respecting their freedom to choose, but it shows them as well, that there are consequences to their actions - those can be positive consequence, like gaining more trust and getting more privileges - or in the other direction, loosing trust and getting privileges removed - they are kids, their freedom ends where their parents set boundaries, and those boundaries can be wider or more narrow - and it is up to them and their actions, if it will be comfortable or unpleasantly narrow.
 

nemolomen

nemolomen
Lysette said:
this is a good strategy - it is respecting their freedom to choose, but it shows them as well, that there are consequences to their actions - those can be positive consequence, like gaining more trust and getting more privileges - or in the other direction, loosing trust and getting privileges removed - they are kids, their freedom ends where their parents set boundaries, and those boundaries can be wider or more narrow - and it is up to them and their actions, if it will be comfortable or unpleasantly narrow.
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When our, now 25, youngest proposes "experiments" on our dogs, I tell him he can do anything he wants to the dogs as long as I get to do it to him first. He hasn't accepted yet.
 

Darth Ender

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Lysette said:
it does what it should do - keep people from eventually spreading a virus before all contacts could be tracked and these people be isolated - we just need a couple of more days to track down these contacts. If we would just let people go on with their lives like before those contacts are tracked, then one infected among them could cause an outbreak - better safe than sorry, so we have a 3 days lockdown and it will be fine once those contacts are removed from public life and be quarantined properly - it doesn't matter if they actually are infected or not, they will be quarantined, if they have been in contact with someone having the virus.
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except it only lasts for 3 days. then they go back to being untracked and in public. then if 5-10 days later they test positive, you have almost as much unquarantined activity as quarantined. so what did you actually accomplish?

just seems ineffective and more of a feel good tactic because people don't want to do the actually necessary thing like quarantining for two weeks.
 
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Lysette

Lysette
Darth Ender said:
except it only lasts for 3 days. then they go back to being untracked and in public. then if 5-10 days later they test positive, you have almost as much unquarantined activity as quarantined. so what did you actually accomplish?

just seems ineffective and more of a feel good tactic because people don't want to do the actually necessary thing like quarantining for two weeks.
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it works - this has kept us free from covid in Tasmania since May 2020 - yes, 2020, not 2021 - and we want it to stay that way until anyone had a chance to get vaccinated twice - and those 30+ of age will have had a chance to get a booster jab as well. We will most likely reach 90% vaccination rate start of December (so far we have more than 80% having had their first jab) - give or take 2-3 weeks after that and we will probably open Tassie borders to aussies and kiwis for christmas - and dependent on the numbers of cases coming up from this, our government will decide how to further proceed. This is how a reasonable government handles this - so far it has been a successful strategy.

well, if people want to quarantine or not is not the question here - if they don't want, they won't enter tasmania, period - and it is a quite long swim back to the mainland.

and no, people here are not untracked - you cannot enter any public facility (with a few exceptions) without to scan the QR code at the entrance - so if you take part in public life, get groceries, go shopping, visit a pub or a theater, then you will have to scan the QR code or you cannot enter the facility - not even a supermarket or pharmacy. This is valid for public busses and even for Uber - no QR scan, no service.
 
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