When it comes to Steam, I wouldn't mind Planet Coaster being on it but I honestly don't care either way. Now when it comes to the modding community, I personally dislike the Steam Workshop. It installs the mods for you and can create a mess when it comes to your files and doesn't allow you to manage them yourself. I'm a long time Skyrim modder and I trust myself and programs like Mod Organizer or Nexus Mod Manager (now that it supports Virtual Data Folders although still not on the level of MO) than Steam putting it in my files themselves with no idea on how their load order or no way to decide which file may have overwrite priority and so forth. Not to mention that some mods may not work correctly with others or may just have issues themselves and Steam likes to make money off of the modding community. I don't want to pay for mods that may not work as intended and would rather use the mod and make sure it works correctly and then donate to the mod creator rather than paying for a mod that the mod creator only gets 25% of the sales from because of greedy big name companies.
Steam Support
- Thread starter Vitor.sousa
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Your logic can also apply to you guys if you make a workshop of your own. So theres no point in highlighting discontinue'd use of a service. For example most online games end up closing down servers eventually because a single game doesn't continuously generate income to support the servers..so the same argument applies to your own software too. Steam does have continuous income because there will always be new products on sale. So their service is more likely to survive purely based on numbers.
Granted their workshop is a damn nightmare if you subscribe to many things and find theres a conflict which crashed the game you can't mass unsubscribe so if you guys make your own it better be better than Steam's efforts because Steam hasn't updated it for a while.
Purely out of ease of access to all my games i would like PC on Steam though, all my friends are on there too. It's convenience, but i also understand Steam gets a % of sales so thats never great either as i want all the money to go into PC's expansions and sequels not Steam.
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myself will purchase the game when its released on steam, and only then. if you guys release it tomorrow on steam. you get money faster from alot of 'fans' so that 30% sacrificial comment only applies to the customers that you think you have, not the ones waiting for there own reasons. that means that sacrificing to steam is the wrong train of thought here, its more like sacrificing to fans on you're own terms because of greed in this case.
i allready ended up buying 3x copies of multiple games and even though frontier says its all good does not change my policies... just like that
so if frontier wants to grab more (finances from) early birds, they should reconsidder this tactic.. at least in my opinion.
Right now there is no game. This is not a Steam early access project that seeks funding to continue development, but an already fully funded game with a tight schedule for release and a price gated alpha testing process. With the positive hype that Frontier has made for this Alpha, they really could send the game to Steam right now, and rake in a lot of pre-orders and early access purchases from a pool of many millions of customers. This would actually be the best time for monetization.
The fact that they are not doing it is actually the exact opposite of being greedy. Some people are talking about maximization of the per-unit profit margin via keeping out of Steam, but I think it is evidently true that the additional amount of units shipped MORE than makes up for it. So you instantly undermine your own point with that argument I think.
I'm willing to guess that the game will come to Steam some months after launch. Like Elite : Dangerous did. So, if your policy is to only buy games from a single retailer, you will have to wait until there is an actual product up on Steam. [up]
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Tbh i don't know many computer gamers not using Steam nowadays...
Once the game is released, i see no reason to not sell it on it. I saw others companies just giving a Steam key to ppl who already had the game, that's a thing they can do if they want to use the Workshop. Reliability is not really a concern in my opinion, not for Steam nor Frontiers.
I just think Steam is great at gathering customers and modders. Unless Frontiers can build a system as accessible to newbies as the workshop is, i think they should use it. It is very popular and it obviously helps a lot in terms of sales.
With the building tools of this game, i have no doubt the workshop would be successful.
Once the game is released, i see no reason to not sell it on it. I saw others companies just giving a Steam key to ppl who already had the game, that's a thing they can do if they want to use the Workshop. Reliability is not really a concern in my opinion, not for Steam nor Frontiers.
I just think Steam is great at gathering customers and modders. Unless Frontiers can build a system as accessible to newbies as the workshop is, i think they should use it. It is very popular and it obviously helps a lot in terms of sales.
With the building tools of this game, i have no doubt the workshop would be successful.
The Frontier launcher is keeping the game updated which makes me happy. I do use Steam a lot, and eventually we may see Planet Coaster on it...
Funny, when Steam first launched the majority of people thought it was was the devils spawn, now it's at a stage where people are reluctant to make a purchase if it's not on Steam.
At least it's not Origin... [bored]
Funny, when Steam first launched the majority of people thought it was was the devils spawn, now it's at a stage where people are reluctant to make a purchase if it's not on Steam.
At least it's not Origin... [bored]
instead of discussing my opinion with your point of view... let me explain
it was just that the said we keep away from steam to save 30%
and i said 30% of a bigger pie
that was an arguement to show them , maybe that was not a correct assesment
it was there comment not mine, all i said was hey 30% of a not received paycheck is still 0%
the fact that a developer tells there customers, they stay away from steam (big portals) due to a 30% loss
means they are motivated by greed, otherwise you wouldnt talk on the forums about income.
dont twist my words i know exactly what i meant.
im not talking about finances on my website, frontier is...
if they ware not interested in funding, they would make closed or open betas / alphas for a year and talked about opinions
or stuff related to the the actual developent (not of funds but assets in the game hahaha)
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Where have you seen "Frontier telling their customers" this? You do understand that Frontier already have games on Steam and they also have an active (and pretty lucrative for both parties) business relationship with Valve, right?
The guy you were replying to is a volunteer forum moderator, not a Frontier employee. His views do not reflect the developer in any official capacity.
And this btw has nothing to do with whether his opinion is right or wrong.
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his view directly represent frontier (to me scrolling the forums)
i dont care about your point of view, go get married to argue all day long
not interested in your point of view
i dont care about your point of view, go get married to argue all day long
not interested in your point of view
Harbinger
Volunteer Moderator
Dante80 is correct my views are my own and in no way any kind of official word from Frontier. The comment you're quoting predates my appointment as a moderator by over 4 months and was my personal opinion at that time.
Moderators are unpaid volunteers from the community and their personal views do not represent official Frontier policy although I can see how people can misconstrue that based upon the background colour difference. You should only take comments made by those with a blue background as any kind of official statement.
The latest official word from Frontier with regards to Steam support is as follows:
I hope this clears it up for you.
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Steam support is almost a must from my perspective. And if they allow custom content to be made by users (which I very much hope they do) then the workshop is the best means by which to distribute them. Should it be a steam exclusive? No. I don't think anything should be a platform exclusive.
When I first heard about this game the first thing I did was search for it in the Steam store, to then be met with the sad discovery that it wasn't there. I REALLY want to buy and support this game as I realize how important our feedback is for the chance of this game being the next RCT3, but I won't buy this game unless it's on Steam (or at the very least with a promise from Frontier that they will send a Steam-key for the final game when it is released). I trust Frontier and everything, but at least 3 of my friends (all of whom are interested in this game) will never buy this game if it's not on Steam. Mainly because of the fact that Steam is reliable and trustworthy, not to mention the fact that you can get a refund if you didn't actually enjoy the game or if it didn't Work on your pc. So PLEASE release this game on Steam. It would only be a good thing. [noob]
Well my view is: If you want to play the game NOW, then buy it from the Frontier Shop, otherwise wait until it comes on Steam after the final release. The choice is yours. But don't moan because its not available on Steam just yet. Frontier know what they are doing and have decided how they are going to deliver this game, either PUT UP or SHUT UP!
If we receive a steam key that'll be great. As almost everyone has said, steam workshop would be great for this game. But even without it being a native steam game they could create an official steam controller configuration. Obviously you'd be limited but it would be cool to try.
1) you say "i've seen that post from them". then "all i need is confirmation from them". if the post isn't enough, what are you expecting in addition?Yea I've seen that post from them. All I need is a confirmation from them that we will in fact receive a Steam key. Then all will be right with the world
2) frontier customer service seems flawless, so far. a few people have had refunds for inane reasons that other companies would have laughed at, but frontier are great. so given that MANY people here have proceeded on the basis that that post is sufficient confirmation, i am quite confident that i will get my steam code eventually.