Storage Space for Modules

[fasterXR]

Ive read dim great responses on this thread but all with a common theme ( I include my original start of the thread) there is a problem or not a problem here is my tailored solution, no my tailored non solution is better, wait fdev is behind this cause reasons. I am intentionally being vague because I really have enjoyed the discussion and really think that by discussing this we can come up with a solution. And not just a fix this damnit cause i don't like it, I mean an honest good solution that fdev will take notice and maybe if its not to out off the realm implement it. That being said I propose the following model as a solution:

Raise the limit of stored modules, I put to a vote of three limits
1. 500
2.1500
3.1000
Second I put forth this as a solid easy way to organize them:
When you click on stored modules instead of a list you get a menu similar to the one that you see when you click on the module slot when you are outfitting your ship. For example I have a size 5 slot and I'm looking for that set of prismatic shields that I lightened and double braced. So I would click on storage that would pull all the picturs up of the different models grouping same to same, then I would go to shield generators and it would produce a list of all of my shield generators add a filter so it only shows size 5 and well from there you should be able to find the one your looking for.

 

[Gavin786]

No argument - more storage could be useful...
Wonder what that "certain part of the community" is, possibly the ones that disagree with you?



Yep, that "certain part of the community" are real troublemakers... particularly when it comes to Premium ammo.....

Balance is the favourite word spouted by a "certain part of the community" too.... Particularly when it serves the agenda of, guess what, a "certain part of the community"

I really enjoy reading about a "certain part of the community".... written by a "certain part of the community" member...

Well... I am following my own advice and trying to be nicer and avoiding words like "CareBear".

Gavin786

 

[Rat Catcher]

Well... I am following my own advice and trying to be nicer and avoiding words like "CareBear".

Gavin786

Of course you were....

While anyone considers a "certain part of the community" to be detrimental to their perception (which I think is such a fabulously multi-role phrase) the only way I can read (and use) such considered wording is as a substitute for "does not agree with my opinion" - which is probably extrememly accurate

 

[GeneralIdea1964]

Not sure you need that much modules storage, surely it's better to have multiple ship, each outfitted for specific tasks/roles.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Not sure you need that much modules storage, surely it's better to have multiple ship, each outfitted for specific tasks/roles.

It's called choice dude. Some of us get attached to a hull. I know I do.

Again. Just because you don't need something doesn't mean nobody does.

 

[Ezren]

Well... I am following my own advice and trying to be nicer and avoiding words like "CareBear".

Gavin786

Is that why you just vaguely alluded to people who disagree with you and threw a strawman "get rid of that junk(junk=G5 Engineered combat-oriented modules )"? Followed by the accusation that those who disagree with you are mad that they can't do what other players can, and only disagree because they're jealous.

Look at this rubbish:

Really just a case of a "certain part of the community" wanting revenge through the forums for what they cannot perform in the game.

Deliberate throw some salt into PvP/open players game/experience yet again for no good reason by encouraging Devs to ignore features we need.

Hey guys, let's break up into tribes! It's us vs them! Remember, they're jealous of us, and only act to hurt us!

Pretty ironic that you were telling other people to not be toxic.

 

[Cmdr Nemo]

If one is going to utilize all of the available space for bookmarks and or storage as it is, then having additional would serve no purpose because eventually it would become insufficient space again. It boils down to what is one's mindset. Far easier for one to alter their own mindset than it is for Fdev to accommodate just those few.

 

[Gavin786]

Is that why you just vaguely alluded to people who disagree with you and threw a strawman "get rid of that junk(junk=G5 Engineered combat-oriented modules )"? Followed by the accusation that those who disagree with you are mad that they can't do what other players can, and only disagree because they're jealous.

Look at this rubbish:

Hey guys, let's break up into tribes! It's us vs them! Remember, they're jealous of us, and only act to hurt us!

Pretty ironic that you were telling other people to not be toxic.

1. There is a massive difference between disagreeing with people and being insulting/baiting/etc. I am self-censoring and doing my own part to lower the level of toxicity. Might not be enough but I am trying my best. You dont agree with my argument, fine, you said something against it, fine. That is what forums are all about. Disagree with people, say they are wrong, say their argument is garbage, and that the facts they base it on are incorrect. But there is a line there between that which is civilised debate and that which is not. And that line really gets crossed when ad-hominems start particularly. And I dont claim to be always on the right side of it. But I am doing my level best.

2. There are generally "groups" in the forum who have similar agendas/viewpoints, not hard-and-fast but certainly it is there. Sometimes, on many issues, it is an "us-against-them" divide, very sad but it is there. And for some bizarre reason this particular topic seems to be one that does attract that division(in my experience having debated it/touched upon it many times). It makes no sense to me, but there it is. As far as motives of others' go you have said it is most likely jealousy, I said in another post(above if you care to read) that I have no clue what their motive is, and I have tried already to fathom it. Personally, I doubt it is jealousy. Envy perhaps, but not jealousy.

I know people do get very angry and frustrated if their ship gets destroyed and if they love playing the game but dont feel like they can deal with that happening, it can force them into playing in solo or private, or be vociferous banners. And a lot of bad feeling can develop. And I suspect that bad feeling sometimes manifests in the forums and other places with people trying to obstruct features/gameplay changes being implemented that benefit the PvP/open community. I did even see some examples of this in another thread as I said that I was quite sure was coming from this mens rea. Even so, this feature is pretty much beneficial to everyone, so I still dont get it, maybe I am wrong about that. Who knows?

3. And what I have said may seem like a "strawman" and so it should. It makes no sense, and clearly ludicrous, yet I have had pretty much the exact thing almost word-for-word said in earnest many times. You have said you are against increasing module storage, mainly as you have not seen any convincing argument in its favour. Even though there is a whole thread of people(and have been many in the past) now telling you it is a needed and valid feature for their play style. I have not seen any convincing arguments against it, either, maybe you would like to offer one ?

CMDR Gavin786

 

[Ezren]

1. There is a massive difference between disagreeing with people and being insulting/baiting/etc. I am self-censoring and doing my own part to lower the level of toxicity. Might not be enough but I am trying my best. You dont agree with my argument, fine, you said something against it, fine. That is what forums are all about. Disagree with people, say they are wrong, say their argument is garbage, and that the facts they base it on are incorrect. But there is a line there between that which is civilised debate and that which is not. And that line really gets crossed when ad-hominems start particularly. And I dont claim to be always on the right side of it. But I am doing my level best.

Maybe you should do better. Because:

Really just a case of a "certain part of the community" wanting revenge through the forums for what they cannot perform in the game.

"They disagree because they cannot perform in the game". Take a minute, look up "ad hominem", compare that with what you said.

2. There are generally "groups" in the forum who have similar agendas/viewpoints, not hard-and-fast but certainly it is there. Sometimes, on many issues, it is an "us-against-them" divide, very sad but it is there. And for some bizarre reason this particular topic seems to be one that does attract that division(in my experience having debated it/touched upon it many times). It makes no sense to me, but there it is. As far as motives of others' go you have said it is most likely jealousy, I said in another post(above if you care to read) that I have no clue what their motive is, and I have tried already to fathom it. Personally, I doubt it is jealousy. Envy perhaps, but not jealousy.

You are the one creating that divide by declaring what "they" do. Why "they" do it. What "they" want. You are fostering this "very sad" thing, actively.

And I did not attribute it to jealousy, you made the strong implication that it was.

I know people do get very angry and frustrated if their ship gets destroyed and if they love playing the game but dont feel like they can deal with that happening, it can force them into playing in solo or private, or be vociferous banners. And a lot of bad feeling can develop. And I suspect that bad feeling sometimes manifests in the forums and other places with people trying to obstruct features/gameplay changes being implemented that benefit the PvP/open community.

Let's stop you right in the middle here. You make the bold implication that everyone who disagrees with you has "bad feeling"s. Basing this on anything? Any factual background to this claim? Or just a wild accusation against "them"?

I did even see some examples of this in another thread as I said that I was quite sure was coming from this mens rea. Even so, this feature is pretty much beneficial to everyone, so I still dont get it, maybe I am wrong about that. Who knows?

And here we are, "mens rea", assuming intentional wrongdoing by those who disagree with you.

3. And what I have said may seem like a "strawman" and so it should. It makes no sense, and clearly ludicrous, yet I have had pretty much the exact thing almost word-for-word said in earnest many times.

I would be super interested in seeing these many times it has been said, that you should, quote: "get rid of that junk(junk=G5 Engineered combat-oriented modules ".

You have said you are against increasing module storage, mainly as you have not seen any convincing argument in its favour. Even though there is a whole thread of people(and have been many in the past) now telling you it is a needed and valid feature for their play style. I have not seen any convincing arguments against it, either, maybe you would like to offer one ?

You saying you need it doesn't constitute you actually needing it. "I want it" is a poor argument. Refer to my signature.

And this "whole thread of people" is not all saying what you are pretending they say; a stilted attempt at Argumentum ad populum, not nearly vague enough to slip by.

The burden of proof does not lie with me, that's not how it works. I can plainly say that this is an issue that only some people have, not all players. You should make a convincing argument, not a mass of fallacies parading as one.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Maybe you should do better. Because:


"They disagree because they cannot perform in the game". Take a minute, look up "ad hominem", compare that with what you said.


You are the one creating that divide by declaring what "they" do. Why "they" do it. What "they" want. You are fostering this "very sad" thing, actively.

And I did not attribute it to jealousy, you made the strong implication that it was.


Let's stop you right in the middle here. You make the bold implication that everyone who disagrees with you has "bad feeling"s. Basing this on anything? Any factual background to this claim? Or just a wild accusation against "them"?


And here we are, "mens rea", assuming intentional wrongdoing by those who disagree with you.


I would be super interested in seeing these many times it has been said, that you should, quote: "get rid of that junk(junk=G5 Engineered combat-oriented modules ".


You saying you need it doesn't constitute you actually needing it. "I want it" is a poor argument. Refer to my signature.

And this "whole thread of people" is not all saying what you are pretending they say; a stilted attempt at Argumentum ad populum, not nearly vague enough to slip by.

The burden of proof does not lie with me, that's not how it works. I can plainly say that this is an issue that only some people have, not all players. You should make a convincing argument, not a mass of fallacies parading as one.

I mean your dozens of ships is also an "I want" to be fair.

Don't expect us one-ship bois to be quiet. Unlike a lot of requests from the community, an increase in module storage actually has a huge amount of logic at play behind it and has no drawbacks for anyone who plays.

Tell me again why it shouldn't happen?

 

[M00ka]

I mean your dozens of ships is also an "I want" to be fair.

Don't expect us one-ship bois to be quiet. Unlike a lot of requests from the community, an increase in module storage actually has a huge amount of logic at play behind it and has no drawbacks for anyone who plays.

Tell me again why it shouldn't happen?

Why should FD bow down to those who arbitrarily decide to handicap themselves by only playing with one ship? Those that do have no more claim for any benefits than someone who has every ship in the game.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Why should FD bow down to those who arbitrarily decide to handicap themselves by only playing with one ship? Those that do have no more claim for any benefits than someone who has every ship in the game.

Man this community is full of selfish people.

Again. How is an increase in module storage going to hurt you?

Nobody is taking away anything from anyone.

 

[Gavin786]

Maybe you should do better. Because:
... whole post of attributing things to me that I did not say...
Look up my signature and read it because

So I think I need to reply to this, but will tame my tongue in line with my recent push to clean these forums. As such I have refrained from counter-attacking against Ezren or attempting to make him look foolish, and have restricted my response to defending myself solely. Let us look forward to a day when mutual respect rules these forums and this kind of back-and-forth fighting does not happen :

"They disagree because they cannot perform in the game".

1. Ezren attributed to me these words : "They disagree because they cannot perform in the game". In quotation marks to imply they are the exact words I used no less. I have never made a statement like this. I think it is very disingenuous of Ezren to misrepresent me in this way. And I need not say how clearly ludicrous those words are, either.

My ACTUAL POSITION : "Some people who speak up against certain features that would be useful to the open/pvp community do so because they are frustrated with their open play experience".
NOT : "Everyone who disagrees with me does it because they are a lousy player".

Really very nasty attempt to put words in my mouth that turn a specific position into a general one that is clearly not correct.

Take a minute, look up "ad hominem", compare that with what you said.

2. Ezren said : Take a minute, look up "ad hominem", compare that with what you said.

I am not using the statement you referenced as the premise in any argument nor is it an argument in itself.

I am pretty well trained in formal logic. I doubt this is an avenue you want to go down with me.

For an argument to suffer the ad-hominem fallacy, a quality of the speaker is used to appeal to the validity of a given argument rather than the premise or logic of the argument itself. Example : The Devil says : "Ezren is right about everything they say". Aha, you cannot trust the Devil's words hence he must be wrong! A classic ad-hominem argument.

And I didnt need to look that up.

And as I said before, and I will say again, I am trying to make things better. I have a good intention. I dont always succeed. But to put in that 1% is better than 0%. And if I have offended by my wording it was not my intention.

they're jealous of us

attribute it to jealousy, you made the strong implication

3. All this stuff about Jealousy. Mentioned again and again. I never made mention, used this word(except in reference/quotation to Ezren), or implied it is a factor here at all. Yet another case of Ezren falsely putting words in my mouth. I cant even conceive of how jealousy would even fit into this, whose love (am I, or you?) supposed to covet? I dont get this at all?

To clarify my position finally : Jealousy has nothing to do with this argument, I do not expect anyone to swoon in love with me or anyone else. Ludicrous.

Only one who has brought "Jealousy" into this discussion is Ezren, he is yet again attributing it to me, however. To the astute observer, a pattern may be emerging here.

Let's stop you right in the middle here. You make the bold implication that everyone who disagrees with you has "bad feeling"s. Basing this on anything? Any factual background to this claim? Or just a wild accusation against "them"?

4. Let me stop you right there, Ezren. I didnt say those words or imply them. They are words you invented then attributed to me. A pattern is clearly emerging here.

And to be perfectly clear I dont think that everyone who disagrees with a position I hold has "bad feelings". Most people who disagree with something I said are coming from a genuine place and I try my best to hold them in high regard and treat them with(what I hope) is mutual respect. And just because I disagree with a person on a particular point does not mean we will not agree later on something else or have not agreed in the past.

And you are making a complex equivalence between opinion and identity here. They are not alike. A position a person holds is not "that person". Just because you dont agree with a position a person has on an issue does not mean you disagree with THAT PERSON as an individual.

And here we are, "mens rea", assuming intentional wrongdoing by those who disagree with you.

5. I think it should be pretty clear from anyone who has ever read my words or tone that it is something I just would not say. Ezren's words put into my mouth yet again.

To clarify my position : "I generally assume that those who disagree with my point of view have a good intention. I never close my mind to the fact I could be wrong also. And If I am then I will own it.".

This includes you, Ezren.

Refer to my signature.

6. Omitted as I am trying to be nice

And this "whole thread of people" is not all saying what you are pretending they say; a stilted attempt at Argumentum ad populum, not nearly vague enough to slip by.

7. Not just this thread but many threads. Many people are calling out for module storage to be increased, they are having real problems. These problems have been explained many times. Valid reasons have been given. Many times. You may choose not to see them or to denigrate the people who make them; that is your choice.

SO I AM NOW DRAWING A LINE UNDER THIS. PLEASE DO NOT PUT ANY MORE WORDS INTO MY MOUTH, EZREN.

CMDR Gavin786

 

[CMDR Cknarf]

How many duplicate parts does one need?

I’m a PvP type, so I’m always swapping and storing stuff, and I only manage to have around 80.

If you have any low level engineered parts, or a hoard of powerplay stuff you don’t need, you can toss em.

I probably have two of each of the ‘good’ powerplay weapons, and a pair of Prismatic shields sizes 5, 6, and 7.

 

[M00ka]

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So I think I need to reply to this, but will tame my tongue in line with my recent push to clean these forums. As such I have refrained from counter-attacking against Ezren or attempting to make him look foolish, and have restricted my response to defending myself solely. Let us look forward to a day when mutual respect rules these forums and this kind of back-and-forth fighting does not happen :


1. Ezren attributed to me these words : "They disagree because they cannot perform in the game". In quotation marks to imply they are the exact words I used no less. I have never made a statement like this. I think it is very disingenuous of Ezren to misrepresent me in this way. And I need not say how clearly ludicrous those words are, either.

My ACTUAL POSITION : "Some people who speak up against certain features that would be useful to the open/pvp community do so because they are frustrated with their open play experience".
NOT : "Everyone who disagrees with me does it because they are a lousy player".

Really very nasty attempt to put words in my mouth that turn a specific position into a general one that is clearly not correct.


2. Ezren said : Take a minute, look up "ad hominem", compare that with what you said.

I am not using the statement you referenced as the premise in any argument nor is it an argument in itself.

I am pretty well trained in formal logic. I doubt this is an avenue you want to go down with me.

For an argument to suffer the ad-hominem fallacy, a quality of the speaker is used to appeal to the validity of a given argument rather than the premise or logic of the argument itself. Example : The Devil says : "Ezren is right about everything they say". Aha, you cannot trust the Devil's words hence he must be wrong! A classic ad-hominem argument.

And I didnt need to look that up.

And as I said before, and I will say again, I am trying to make things better. I have a good intention. I dont always succeed. But to put in that 1% is better than 0%. And if I have offended by my wording it was not my intention.



3. All this stuff about Jealousy. Mentioned again and again. I never made mention, used this word(except in reference/quotation to Ezren), or implied it is a factor here at all. Yet another case of Ezren falsely putting words in my mouth. I cant even conceive of how jealousy would even fit into this, whose love (am I, or you?) supposed to covet? I dont get this at all?

To clarify my position finally : Jealousy has nothing to do with this argument, I do not expect anyone to swoon in love with me or anyone else. Ludicrous.

Only one who has brought "Jealousy" into this discussion is Ezren, he is yet again attributing it to me, however. To the astute observer, a pattern may be emerging here.


4. Let me stop you right there, Ezren. I didnt say those words or imply them. They are words you invented then attributed to me. A pattern is clearly emerging here.

And to be perfectly clear I dont think that everyone who disagrees with a position I hold has "bad feelings". Most people who disagree with something I said are coming from a genuine place and I try my best to hold them in high regard and treat them with(what I hope) is mutual respect. And just because I disagree with a person on a particular point does not mean we will not agree later on something else or have not agreed in the past.

And you are making a complex equivalence between opinion and identity here. They are not alike. A position a person holds is not "that person". Just because you dont agree with a position a person has on an issue does not mean you disagree with THAT PERSON as an individual.


5. I think it should be pretty clear from anyone who has ever read my words or tone that it is something I just would not say. Ezren's words put into my mouth yet again.

To clarify my position : "I generally assume that those who disagree with my point of view have a good intention. I never close my mind to the fact I could be wrong also. And If I am then I will own it.".

This includes you, Ezren.


6. Omitted as I am trying to be nice


7. Not just this thread but many threads. Many people are calling out for module storage to be increased, they are having real problems. These problems have been explained many times. Valid reasons have been given. Many times. You may choose not to see them or to denigrate the people who make them; that is your choice.

SO I AM NOW DRAWING A LINE UNDER THIS. PLEASE DO NOT PUT ANY MORE WORDS INTO MY MOUTH, EZREN.

CMDR Gavin786

Oh no, a line has been drawn. Does that mean handbags will be gathered, ready to be brought into battle?

 

[Rat Catcher]

Oh no, a line has been drawn. Does that mean handbags will be gathered, ready to be brought into battle?

No, the mods will stop that... It upsets the children...

Apart from @Ezren paraphrasing instead of direct quoting from:

Storage Space for Modules

Why are we limited to 120 storage for modules yet we can store 40 ships per station(that has shipyards). This makes no sence at all. There should be at least 500 storage for modules. It's much easier to refit a ship then buy and rebuild a whole new ship every time I want to change rolls. It's a...

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Which is a shame, really

 

[BL1P]

People keep asking why do you need so much space.
For me its because of Power Play items mainly.
If I spend a Month getting the Items, you can rest assured I will buy ~10 or more of them even if I never use them, because it took a long bloody time to get them.
Then you have things like the Prismatic shields, I wish we had storage when I did that boring grind so that I would now have enough prismatic shields for all my owned ships.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

People keep asking why do you need so much space.
For me its because of Power Play items mainly.
If I spend a Month getting the Items, you can rest assured I will buy ~10 or more of them even if I never use them, because it took a long bloody time to get them.
Then you have things like the Prismatic shields, I wish we had storage when I did that boring grind so that I would now have enough prismatic shields for all my owned ships.

People keep asking why do you need so much space.

Same reason as why they want to have a hundred ships in a video game: Because I want to.

I love how far humanity has fallen that when one person gets what he wants, he does everything he can to try and stop anyone else getting what they want, as if it is going to kill him if they do.

People wonder why my faith in this species has plummeted. I find video games to be an interesting place to find countless examples of this type of behaviour.

 

[Gavin786]

Why should FD bow down to those who arbitrarily decide to handicap themselves by only playing with one ship? Those that do have no more claim for any benefits than someone who has every ship in the game.

I have a whole fleet of ships not just 1.

And I have massive storage problems.

I think having a large fleet amplifies the problem. As one ship can/does have multiple configurations.

It all depends on your play style and how much engineering you have done.

I just dont get how some people cant accept that this is a genuine problem for others'. There is no downside for anyone to increase module storage space.

Gavin786

 

[Deleted member 110222]

I have a whole fleet of ships not just 1.

And I have massive storage problems.

I think having a large fleet amplifies the problem. As one ship can/does have multiple configurations.

It all depends on your play style and how much engineering you have done.

I just dont get how some people cant accept that this is a genuine problem for others'. There is no downside for anyone to increase module storage space.

Gavin786

I'm afraid my dude, many members of our pathetic little virus of a species, that is to say humanity, take great pleasure in seeing others get treated differently, and frequently worse, than themselves.

Once they have what they want it becomes time to try and stop other people getting the same.

Tell me what other reason people are so opposed to such a harmless update?

There's not even a technical barrier. Module storage has been altered before. Just in case someone throws out the old "but the code..." argument.