https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...eam_sniping_in_open_play_cheating_twitch_tos/
^^^ Original post.
As a Streamer of Elite Dangerous myself, it's hilarious to me to see someone get sniped and then they nerd rage, rage quit, report to FDev via in-game or website ticketing, even more so when you ban the person in channel, and ultimately so when you report that person sniping you to Twitch.
Other streamers reading this are probably making comments about how I've started this. Let me finish those comments for you.
1.) He's no idea what he's talking about! a.) I do, I've read the TOS for both FDev and Twitch.
2.) I'll bet he's never been Stream Sniped before, ya? a.) I have actually, while in Open Play. Know what I did? Turned around an fought back. b.) Did I win? No. I wasn't going to win against a Full Heat Conda in a PVP configuration, pre 2.1, in a PvE FAS that had no engineering at all. He'd have cooked my modules even if I managed to keep minimal time within his main guns. c.)Did myself and my wing of other pilots that were there with me make the fight entertaining enough for the Sniper that he stated he'd leave us alone because of the fun fight we gave him? Yeah, he did actually. And he's been back in our space while no one from our group was streaming and sought out fights again. We gave him more fun fights.
3.) So he supports Stream Sniping! Report him to Twitch! a.) I'm not stating I support it at all. But, you as the Streamer are giving someone an advantage over you.
4.) I'll just ban the guy from my channel then! a.) Technically this does you no good. If someone wants to Stream Snipe you, and you're in Open Play, it's going to happen. Just because you "ban" them in your channel doesn't at all mean they can't WATCH your stream...they simply can't talk in the channel. They don't have to talk to you in order to see where you're going.
Now, I think it's time to explain why I preempted you with this few lines.
a) FDev has already stated that by Streaming from Open Play is only giving the person hunting you an advantage...the same as if you were galactically broadcasting your location on GalNet. My interpretation? If you stream in Open Play, you're just asking for someone to come along and do it.
b) The only time FDev will take action, assuming they do at all, is if someone stream snipes you from within a Private Group. Here the blame either falls to you, again, or falls to the account that manages the Private Group. If it's an account that is specifically for having a organizational Private Group, they MAY, not guaranteed, act against the sniper reported.
c) Twitch isn't going to do either...because as the TOS reads and states...a broadcaster can not use another broadcaster's stream to gain the advantage. A Viewer sniping a Broadcaster does not violate the Twtich TOS. If the Viewer DOES NOT STREAM at all...then they are not violating an advantage that is prohibited for streamers against other streamers. Twitch MAY, no guaranteed, hit that Viewer with a 24hr ban, or something of the sort a few times.
This is simply how things are when it comes to streaming, FDev, and playing in Open Play. If you don't want to get sniped, then remove all chance of it happening by playing in Solo Play or Private Group while you are streaming. If you want to play Open when not streaming, then do so. But if you want to continue Streaming while in Open Play, be assured that there's eventually going to be someone who's going to cross the distance between you and them, chase you across your jump route, because they can see where you going, and nail you...given that they can manage to instance with you in the first place.
So...short and simple.
Don't want to be Stream Sniped? Don't stream in Open Play. If you do, you're only providing the information you don't want them to have so that they can do what they want...and that's to make you lose a ship, and pop your cork on stream.
Now mind you...Everything that is stated is based on information that is easily searchable and my interpretations of actions/statements made by others.
^^^ Original post.
As a Streamer of Elite Dangerous myself, it's hilarious to me to see someone get sniped and then they nerd rage, rage quit, report to FDev via in-game or website ticketing, even more so when you ban the person in channel, and ultimately so when you report that person sniping you to Twitch.
Other streamers reading this are probably making comments about how I've started this. Let me finish those comments for you.
1.) He's no idea what he's talking about! a.) I do, I've read the TOS for both FDev and Twitch.
2.) I'll bet he's never been Stream Sniped before, ya? a.) I have actually, while in Open Play. Know what I did? Turned around an fought back. b.) Did I win? No. I wasn't going to win against a Full Heat Conda in a PVP configuration, pre 2.1, in a PvE FAS that had no engineering at all. He'd have cooked my modules even if I managed to keep minimal time within his main guns. c.)Did myself and my wing of other pilots that were there with me make the fight entertaining enough for the Sniper that he stated he'd leave us alone because of the fun fight we gave him? Yeah, he did actually. And he's been back in our space while no one from our group was streaming and sought out fights again. We gave him more fun fights.
3.) So he supports Stream Sniping! Report him to Twitch! a.) I'm not stating I support it at all. But, you as the Streamer are giving someone an advantage over you.
4.) I'll just ban the guy from my channel then! a.) Technically this does you no good. If someone wants to Stream Snipe you, and you're in Open Play, it's going to happen. Just because you "ban" them in your channel doesn't at all mean they can't WATCH your stream...they simply can't talk in the channel. They don't have to talk to you in order to see where you're going.
Now, I think it's time to explain why I preempted you with this few lines.
a) FDev has already stated that by Streaming from Open Play is only giving the person hunting you an advantage...the same as if you were galactically broadcasting your location on GalNet. My interpretation? If you stream in Open Play, you're just asking for someone to come along and do it.
b) The only time FDev will take action, assuming they do at all, is if someone stream snipes you from within a Private Group. Here the blame either falls to you, again, or falls to the account that manages the Private Group. If it's an account that is specifically for having a organizational Private Group, they MAY, not guaranteed, act against the sniper reported.
c) Twitch isn't going to do either...because as the TOS reads and states...a broadcaster can not use another broadcaster's stream to gain the advantage. A Viewer sniping a Broadcaster does not violate the Twtich TOS. If the Viewer DOES NOT STREAM at all...then they are not violating an advantage that is prohibited for streamers against other streamers. Twitch MAY, no guaranteed, hit that Viewer with a 24hr ban, or something of the sort a few times.
This is simply how things are when it comes to streaming, FDev, and playing in Open Play. If you don't want to get sniped, then remove all chance of it happening by playing in Solo Play or Private Group while you are streaming. If you want to play Open when not streaming, then do so. But if you want to continue Streaming while in Open Play, be assured that there's eventually going to be someone who's going to cross the distance between you and them, chase you across your jump route, because they can see where you going, and nail you...given that they can manage to instance with you in the first place.
So...short and simple.
Don't want to be Stream Sniped? Don't stream in Open Play. If you do, you're only providing the information you don't want them to have so that they can do what they want...and that's to make you lose a ship, and pop your cork on stream.
Now mind you...Everything that is stated is based on information that is easily searchable and my interpretations of actions/statements made by others.
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