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But these ,,easy money,, would just steal content from potential sequel. Especially animal packs. Better to include it in second version as dlc options and make even more money. They wont be able to base atleast 5 dlcs on flying birds alone.
I personally prefer longer content for PZ than compared to a sequel because I suspect a second game could satisfie me as much as the actual game does. Thats why I would like to have as much animals as we could get for this game.
 
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To be honest. I do not think we will get flying birds in PZ (1) and also no fully aquatic animals. But I do not think that its exclusion this year will be a hint for end of support at the end of the Year. Frontier can make "easy money" with 4 further animal packs next year, perhaps without major updates coming along. And in 2025 or 2026 or even later (I do not believe that we can calculate with a new PZ game before) they can bring us a new game along with flight mechanics. From a business point of view I can understand if this will happen. Most major popular Zoo animals are already integrated. So a new game mostly makes sense with new mechanics coming along with.
Well, as long as all the current roaster be roll-overed to the new game, I dont mind. I honestly dont wanna wait wait wait for all the animals we all want.
 
I personally prefer longer content for PZ than compared to a sequel because I suspect a second game could satisfie me as much as the actual game does. Thats why I would like to have as much animals as we could get for this game.
Same thought, as long as animal in the current game. I really dont want them to release a new one and I have to wait for the roster all over again. I just hope they keep adding, like Cityskyline.
 
To your first point, I'm not entirely sure what you're driving at. You're arguing that birds are essential while also stating you don't think they'd be popular; you're a walking, talking example of the opposite. A pack fully dedicated to birds is the single most popular suggestion in this community, so it's already been proven that it would be a guaranteed money-maker.

To the second point, it doesn't matter if we can already build aviaries (and I would argue that we actually can't - the mesh pieces provided are prop fences, not building pieces, and you certainly can't build roofs with them, not without some extreme fiddling that even then can't fill in all the gaps); scenery items can't be used to build a habitat without also including a null barrier. Frontier isn't going to release animals and say "to use these you have to build a custom roof in conjunction with a null barrier". If they do give us birds, they will certainly be accompanied by some kind of new system which allows for the construction of aviaries.

Over-all, I'm not actually convinced we're ever getting birds. In another post you mentioned JWE2, but have you actually played it? The systems in place in JWE are enormously simplified compared to Planet Zoo; the flying pterosaurs are not up to the standard Frontier has set for PZ. So it is true that free-flight mechanics do already exist on the Cobra Engine, but to port these over to PZ Frontier will need to enhance them, make the whole system more customisable for players, and also give us birds that have some measure of personality like the rest of the animals in the game. That's a hefty undertaking. Given another two years of support, sure, I can see them doing this; a free update introducing covered habitats that double as aviaries, a pack of eight birds, and then additional birds in consecutive packs along with standard habitat animals. Since the length of continued support is such a major unknown, though, hinging your hopes on birds seems futile.

So it's a "maybe, but probably not" for me. Hopefully I'll be surprised, but I'm not expecting anything.

They are two different things, but perhaps it would be better to explain it with doodles...:cautious:
First point: I said that birds in a game that wants to simulate a zoo in 2022 are not only necessary but also not that difficult to make.
The fact that I believe that Frontier does not create a package of only birds for commercial reasons does not mean that I do not consider them necessary, it just means that following the Frontier release style a package based only on birds would be a potential risk...So, no contradiction!

Second point: even here you are easily proved wrong. Frontier's style with regard to certain elements seems to be that of "you create them", in fact following your speech we have for example mammals since the base game was released but there are still no pieces in the game ready for backstage, for habitat gates, etc... rather you have to build them yourself!
So I said that there are some pieces with which some users manage to create aviaries and it is not certain that in a possible Frontier pack they will release specific pieces to create aviaries, I hope so, but it is not said.


Who told you I didn't play JW2? In many things I ask myself "Why is there not this function, this possibility in PZ? Why deprive PZ of certain things?"...
Aniway I just need to read this "So it is true that the mechanics of free flight already exists on the Cobra Engine"...The answer is in here!
 
They are two different things, but perhaps it would be better to explain it with doodles...:cautious:
First point: I said that birds in a game that wants to simulate a zoo in 2022 are not only necessary but also not that difficult to make.
The fact that I believe that Frontier does not create a package of only birds for commercial reasons does not mean that I do not consider them necessary, it just means that following the Frontier release style a package based only on birds would be a potential risk...So, no contradiction!

Second point: even here you are easily proved wrong. Frontier's style with regard to certain elements seems to be that of "you create them", in fact following your speech we have for example mammals since the base game was released but there are still no pieces in the game ready for backstage, for habitat gates, etc... rather you have to build them yourself!
So I said that there are some pieces with which some users manage to create aviaries and it is not certain that in a possible Frontier pack they will release specific pieces to create aviaries, I hope so, but it is not said.


Who told you I didn't play JW2? In many things I ask myself "Why is there not this function, this possibility in PZ? Why deprive PZ of certain things?"...
Aniway I just need to read this "So it is true that the mechanics of free flight already exists on the Cobra Engine"...The answer is in here!
Honestly I agree with you, not difficult to make, most mid size colorful birds only need like a bigger exhibit. I think some bird should be able to display in exhibit. I believe the exhibit mechanic make over will enhance the viability of birds and fish in the future. Comes in think of it, exhibit is more important than we think.
 
even here you are easily proved wrong.
No I'm not. None of what you said there proves me wrong. The absence of certain props hasn't got anything to do with Frontier's "attitude", they just prioritise things differently than we do. Also, what do you mean by "habitat gates"? You have to add a pre-made habitat gate to a habitat for it to work. You don't have to make anything yourself.

It absolutely is certain that they will add some kind of aviary function to the game, because otherwise you can't build a functioning habitat for birds.
 
No I'm not. None of what you said there proves me wrong. The absence of certain props hasn't got anything to do with Frontier's "attitude", they just prioritise things differently than we do. Also, what do you mean by "habitat gates"? You have to add a pre-made habitat gate to a habitat for it to work. You don't have to make anything yourself.

It absolutely is certain that they will add some kind of aviary function to the game, because otherwise you can't build a functioning habitat for birds.
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Maybe something like this is viable? Making a large exhibit for birds? I guess this will work of Toucans and Parrots. Even Puffin works too.
 
I can't believe we're back to "birds as exhibits" lol.

Exhibits are a set of looped animations. It's the exact same thing as the aviaries in JWE1. Compared to all the features we've gotten in the past two years, they are incredibly easy to do. Deepdiving, digging, etc. all were much harder features to pull off.

There's a whole plethora of reasons why Frontier wouldn't put birds in boxes, many of which have been discussed already and I'm not going to bother to go over them again, but if they were we would have had them by now. It's as simple as that. Birds are immensely popular and immensely requested by the community. Had Frontier opted to go for the easier route of looped animations, that would have been one of their first DLCs right from the bat.

Besides, and again we've been over this, the Cobra engine both supports free flying in a 3d space and creating a contained 3d space to fly in. A potential exhibit box rework would have absolutely zero influence on the likelihood of birds.
 
Honestly I agree with you, not difficult to make, most mid size colorful birds only need like a bigger exhibit. I think some bird should be able to display in exhibit. I believe the exhibit mechanic make over will enhance the viability of birds and fish in the future. Comes in think of it, exhibit is more important than we think.

It is one of those things that I would like to see, as modular exhibits where small mammals can be hosted, for example, but I strongly doubt that this happens.
 
No I'm not. None of what you said there proves me wrong. The absence of certain props hasn't got anything to do with Frontier's "attitude", they just prioritise things differently than we do. Also, what do you mean by "habitat gates"? You have to add a pre-made habitat gate to a habitat for it to work. You don't have to make anything yourself.

It absolutely is certain that they will add some kind of aviary function to the game, because otherwise you can't build a functioning habitat for birds.

I mean that there are no pre-existing elements that simulate doors or entrances for animals, between an outdoor habitat and an indoor part, you have to create them yourself with the pieces that are in the game, which in my opinion for these specific elements are totally inadequate. In the game there is only the gate of the entrance to the habitat for the guardians...

"It absolutely is certain that they will add some kind of aviary function to the game, because otherwise you can't build a functioning habitat for birds" ...I hope so, but I wouldn't be so sure.
 
"It absolutely is certain that they will add some kind of aviary function to the game, because otherwise you can't build a functioning habitat for birds" ...I hope so, but I wouldn't be so sure.
They may not give us the tools to make it look nice, but they won't force us to rely on building pieces, just like how we don't need building pieces and instead use barriers as habitat barriers. Theoretically, a new player can make a functioning zoo without ever opening the building tab through liberal blueprint use.
 
It's crazy how we're already in May now. Only a month and some change until we start hearing about the next update and dlc haha! I wonder what's in store for us.
Time moves much faster than before the Wetlands pack. Maybe it's because now we know what the new dlc theme is?
 
Not know about credibility, but heard it could be greater asia animal pack. Was supposed to include scenery, but recent activity of certain country changed plans a little bit.
You know that OR theme with torii gates and those things.
 
Not know about credibility, but heard it could be greater asia animal pack. Was supposed to include scenery, but recent activity of certain country changed plans a little bit.
You know that OR theme with torii gates and those things.
I take rumours with a pinch of salt but an Asia DLC with maybe Amur leopard, Przewalski’s horse and others wouldn’t surprise me. And Russian themed - especially if they had labeled it Eurasia - pieces wouldn’t have been out of the question prior to recent events. So switching to an Asia animal pack isn’t inconceivable to me.
 
Not know about credibility, but heard it could be greater asia animal pack. Was supposed to include scenery, but recent activity of certain country changed plans a little bit.
You know that OR theme with torii gates and those things.
Can I get a source/video on this? Not being sarcastic, just think it could be interesting.
 
Not know about credibility, but heard it could be greater asia animal pack. Was supposed to include scenery, but recent activity of certain country changed plans a little bit.
You know that OR theme with torii gates and those things.
There's a big potential for an East Asia Animal Pack if we look at the meta-wishlist (I'm just considering the first 100):

Leopard #1
Przewalski's Horse #2
Wolverine #9
Walrus #15 (not sure if this part or Russia could be considered East Asia)
Red fox #23
Takin #26
Saiga #37
Wild boar #43
Pallas's Cat #66
Tanuki #70
Pere David’s Deer #75
Golden Snub Nosed Monkey #97

And if we look at the exhibit metalist:
King cobra #2
Giant salamander #6
 
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