Super maneuverable large ships...

No ship in Elite should be able to fly Backwards, faster than any ship can fly Forwards.

And that is certainly currently possible.

Reverse thrust should be capped at 50 - 100/sec.

Dunno where the cap for large ships currently is if you fly with four pips on eng backwards.

But flying backwards with FAoff is a bit of a different matter since you use your mainthrusters to accelerate and then turn the ship around.
 
I've honestly never seen a big ship flying backwards with 350m/s.

That might happen on some occasions with FA off but not under regular circumstances.

350 is impossible on a big ship. My racing courier may be able to do 350 backwards.... Maybe

My Corvette does around 270 forward / 130 backward. If you cant easily catch and overtake it then you need to stop trying to fight me in a T9.

Backwards thrust is always limited to 50% of forward thrust.

Can we stop whining about ships flying backwards now?
 
No ship in Elite should be able to fly Backwards, faster than any ship can fly Forwards.

And that is certainly currently possible.

Reverse thrust should be capped at 50 - 100/sec.

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Erm - yes it is, and it's nothing to do with orbital physics. It's an artificially-created limit, intended to diversify ship abilities.

Some Rep for you.. Problem is they don't care in game combat, it's easier to make CQC.
 
Dunno where the cap for large ships currently is if you fly with four pips on eng backwards.

But flying backwards with FAoff is a bit of a different matter since you use your mainthrusters to accelerate and then turn the ship around.

Only way to fly backwards at same speed as forward is to
Accelerate to top forward speed
Fa off and zero throttle
Flip ship around
Remain in fa off mode and at zero throttle. That makes aiming in combat a pain.
 
Because water helps simulates low gravity and many things that go with it like inertia (note i didn't say copy, only simulate).
Even if it is far from being accurate it is one the closest thing you can have to "space" on earth and certainly the most common.

Ohh so.. FM ( flight model ) almost plane like, isn't important.. but ship on water surface simulates low gravity... ok no more questions.
 
An FDL can easily face-tank with gimbals or missiles @ 300/sec going backwards. That's faster than a stock Vulture's non-boost speed.
 
Ohh so.. FM ( flight model ) almost plane like, isn't important.. but ship on water surface simulates low gravity... ok no more questions.

You are correct on the point that FM is 3D like our planes while water is 2D.
TBH a submarine would be an ok analogy if you to use 3D model, loading/pushing out water to simulate pitch.
 
You are correct on the point that FM is 3D like our planes while water is 2D.
TBH a submarine would be an ok analogy if you to use 3D model, loading/pushing out water to simulate pitch.

I know they use underwater training for astronauts, but this doesn't mean that they design a space shuttle from sea ship drawings. Submarine is a good sample, but they don't have miniguns, lasers and what is more important dogfights... so i think planes are better sample.
 
You are correct on the point that FM is 3D like our planes while water is 2D.
TBH a submarine would be an ok analogy if you to use 3D model, loading/pushing out water to simulate pitch.
Drag
Air or water, there are massive drag and dynamics concern.
Space, no air, no fluid.
We are sort of in-between. While speeds and acceleration feel like we have drag but not for deceleration.
Surely we can follow a model, no matter submarine or jet but can't simply fall for that because they have an atmosphere to begin with
 
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Those that are wondering how a dog fight would be without speed limits, backwards, sideways, whatever, check out evochron. Very different flight model, much more realistic, but in the end, not as fun.. well it can be real fun at times...

Basically it's high skill jousting and orbiting around enemies launching guided missiles from precise distance. Very similar to elite, but way less graphics focused. It is the work of one man though which when you see the game, seems unbelievable.
 
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Those that are wondering how a dog fight would be without speed limits, backwards, sideways, whatever, check out evochron. Very different flight model, much more realistic, but in the end, not as fun.. well it can be real fun at times...

Basically it's high skill jousting and orbiting around enemies launching guided missiles from precise distance. Very similar to elite, but way less graphics focused. It is the work of one man though which when you see the game, seems unbelievable.
We all tried interdicting something ? that's how we dogfight when speed limit is 2kc :D
 
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Drag
Air or water, there are massive drag and dynamics concern.
Space, no air, no fluid.
We are sort of in-between. While speeds and acceleration feel like we have drag but not for deceleration.
Surely we can follow a model, no matter submarine or jet but can't simply fall for that because they have an atmosphere to begin with

That is why i said "i didn't say copy, only simulate" in the previous post.
It is a simulacrum but the closest, and easiest, you, me, anyone who has never been into space could apprehend.

To answer Vezdekot : you are right, iirc NASA train on T38 planes but i dare them to create a pilotable 69T scale 1/1 orbiter underwater ... the Eagle is 50T !
 
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I have to agree with this statement, partially. DD G5 does a great job on the corvette putting her above medium ships, maneuverability wise. Small ship are still more nimble.

Even DD5 does not put a Corvette above medium ships. Not unless you compare it to the dropship, gunship, Cobra 4, or some other truly terrible ship.
An unmodified Clipper, FAS, or FDL will still outperform a DD5 corvette in the turns.

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An FDL can easily face-tank with gimbals or missiles @ 300/sec going backwards. That's faster than a stock Vulture's non-boost speed.

1. only as long as the FDL remains in FA-OFF
2. A Vulture should lose against an FDL most of the time anyway
3. If only there was some way to gain extra forward speed to catch up to that pesky FDL. Some kind of button that made you go faster. Maybe they can label it boot or boos or bost... or some other combination of those 4 letters.
 
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