News Support update - Reiteration of player harassment rules

How many players in Mobius alone?

Do people really think that loss of players doesn't affect the viability of the open game for certain playstyles?

This is a management problem for the PVP players. If they can't get others to understand that people can and will leave Open because of 'toxicity', then the PvP players get what they deserve.

Then they figured they would just let the galaxy burn by doing silly things like sniping folks on streams and entering Private Groups with the intention of upsetting players.

THAT'S going to help people think Open is a fun place to be! Good job!

And for those that are taking the Ides of March off...have a nice week!
 
More clarification is necessary. RPing as a terrorist/murderer is specifically permitted and the game was even advertised as such. If Frontier wants this to be taken seriously then they need to define 'harassment' more clearly such that it can not be interpreted as prohibiting behavior that was established to be legitimate long ago.

> In the wise words of the internet, "Pics or it didn't happen"
 
Congratulations on saying the same thing twice? You didn't answer or respond to anything I said and I'm quite certain you didn't actually read it. Frontier can threaten to ban us all they want but a forum post does not mean they can start banning people for it. If it isn't in the EULA or the TOS I never agreed to it and neither did anyone else.

You don't need an EULA to take action against online harassment.
 
This is a management problem for the PVP players. If they can't get others to understand that people can and will leave Open because of 'toxicity', then the PvP players get what they deserve.

Then they figured they would just let the galaxy burn by doing silly things like sniping folks on streams and entering Private Groups with the intention of upsetting players.

THAT'S going to help people think Open is a fun place to be! Good job!

And for those that are taking the Ides of March off...have a nice week!

You speak as if 'PVP players' were one great unified group. There is no 'management problem', just a lot of people doing their own things, the vast majority of whom will probably never read these forums or the subreddit.
 
You speak as if 'PVP players' were one great unified group. There is no 'management problem', just a lot of people doing their own things, the vast majority of whom will probably never read these forums or the subreddit.

Yep, so the devs have to fix the problem. PvE Open. Another great reason for this to occur!
 
This. If you're hunting other commanders, then one or the other of you is a pirate/murderer/terrorist, there is simply no way around this. If Frontier didn't want any PVP murderers it would simply be impossible to damage other players who weren't wanted. Again, I don't have a problem with the core message of this post, it's the fact that it's overly broad and certain people (you, Jypson) will misinterpret it to suit their own agenda. It just needs more clarification.
 
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TLDR, will we start to see FDEV actually kicking and banning players or is this just another scare tactic to try to keep everything in order?

TBH I would like to see commanders named and shamed for hacking and griefing if its proven in a locked sticky thread created by FDEV themselves.
 
"Hunting players" being plural. I can hunt anyone I want and it is advertised as such on the game's website right? Then why do they get to choose who I can engage and who I can't?

To put it as simply as possible because one reason is in game, and the other is out of game.

Hunting CMDRs is in game.

Targetting a charity event is out of game.

If you're hunting folk based on reasons that aren't inside the game you're gonna be treading a fine line.

FWIW your image says "hunting other CMDRs", not "hunting players", subtle difference but one one that kinda implies in-game. (though I'm guessing that's accidental)

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Zac, your post disturbs me greatly. Your post amounts to a threat that you will start policing conduct (actions) based upon intent and reception. This idea is something that is regarded universally as impossible, dangerous. The reason it is considered impossible and dangerous is intent is arbitrary as is reception, they both differ from person to person. In other words, there is no reasonable legal obligation, action, or recourse, for any party involved that can pertain to intent or reception.

Ultimately, it’s not about context. Context is meaningless. If I attack a player, my reasons for doing so do not change the characterization of that attack, and neither does that player’s reception to that attack. I simply attacked a player. Is that ok, or is it not?
Yes....yes they do, if you attack a person, and blow them up, not talking, giving no indication of your reasoning, and especially if you do it while out powering them significantly, your actions say a lot about that, simply making a demand or a statement, and not blowing them up unless they don't comply with that statement changes the whole thing. Just going blowing them up, and moving on to blowing up someone else without having any in game based reason or gain from it, makes it quickly lean towards griefing and harassment.
Yeah, if you only cut that part out of what I wrote....But guess what you aren't "helping" fight off an oppressive regime, by killing random people left right and center, you could be killing the very people you claim to help?
but yeah I'm guessing you are leaning on the "just hunt other commanders", here's the thing, last I checked....when you are hunting someone you have a reason for it, based around what you are doing, in this case the game you are playing, so it is based in the game. If you are hunting others simply for the entirely out of game reason of watching them blow up and laughing at their loss...then yeah.....
I have to disagree. If targeting a stream in game is harassment then inciting people to specifically target SDC in game is also harassment.

"because SDC could easily have avoided it by not doing what they did, which as described here is clearly an act of harassment, SDC harassed mobius, they reacted."

Doesn't matter. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Inciting people to action can be done to harass, that much is true.
But when it is inciting to fight back? well as linked above, it is actually rebelling against something an action done against it, and encouraging people to fight back, the whole thing is based around that SDC could easily have avoided this by NOT doing what they did, but since they did, it is a consequence to their actions.

And before you go "but SDC only did what they did because people chose to play in private group so what they did was a consequence to what mobius did" that's...not how things work, if someone does something entirely separate from you and that does not affect you in any way, then you can't use things they've done to justify your actions. That would be like, because your neighbour has a lot of money and you don't, you rob a bank, and blame him for having more money then you?
 
TLDR, will we start to see FDEV actually kicking and banning players or is this just another scare tactic to try to keep everything in order?

TBH I would like to see commanders named and shamed for hacking and griefing if its proven in a locked sticky thread created by FDEV themselves.
They won't do anything anyways so don't worry.

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To put it as simply as possible because one reason is in game, and the other is out of game.

Hunting CMDRs is in game.

Targetting a charity event is out of game.

If you're hunting folk based on reasons that aren't inside the game you're gonna be treading a fine line.

FWIW your image says hunting CMDRs, not hunting players, subtle difference there. (though I'm guessing that's accidental)

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=107711&d=1457733167
CMDRs are players.
 
Yes....yes they do, if you attack a person, and blow them up, not talking, giving no indication of your reasoning, and especially if you do it while out powering them significantly, your actions say a lot about that, simply making a demand or a statement, and not blowing them up unless they don't comply with that statement changes the whole thing. Just going blowing them up, and moving on to blowing up someone else without having any in game based reason or gain from it, makes it quickly lean towards griefing and harassment.

Thank you for proving my point about reception.
 
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To put it as simply as possible because one reason is in game, and the other is out of game.

Hunting CMDRs is in game.

Targetting a charity event is out of game.

If you're hunting folk based on reasons that aren't inside the game you're gonna be treading a fine line.

FWIW your image says hunting CMDRs, not hunting players, subtle difference there. (though I'm guessing that's accidental)

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/attach...1&d=1457733167


CMDRs are players.

You don't understand what I'm saying do you?

CMDR is an in game term, player is an out of game term.
 
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You clearly have no legal experience. They can not pick and choose what content is put up and remove any content that goes against what they think. That goes against both US and UK law.

Although this is not relevant to the topic at hand; yes you can. Fair Use is a defense that has to be proven in court. It's not an inalienable right as you seem to think.
 
but yeah I'm guessing you are leaning on the "just hunt other commanders", here's the thing, last I checked....when you are hunting someone you have a reason for it, based around what you are doing, in this case the game you are playing, so it is based in the game. If you are hunting others simply for the entirely out of game reason of watching them blow up and laughing at their loss...then yeah.....
I hunt them because I'm a murderer. Also, a LOT of you guys are assuming we stream sniped them. I'm not saying that some members don't do that, but the charity streamers were either friends with their killers or friends of the streamer were telling them the whereabouts in game (Jenner).
 
You don't understand what I'm saying do you?

CMDR is an in game term, player is an out of game term.
I get what you're saying but here's what I'm saying. My reasoning makes no difference. My in game reasoning is that my pilot enjoys watching things blow up and I like making him do that. Considering the game was advertised to me in that manner, I don't see how I could possibly be doing anything wrong?
 
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