And FD is under no obligation to offer them support that costs FD, 70euro/month according to owner, with ad on every page, millions of views, he's making a loss, sure
#support3rdparty - Why we temporarily shut down our sites.
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And FD is under no obligation to offer them support that costs FD, 70euro/month according to owner, with ad on every page, millions of views, he's making a loss, sure
If you think the income from ads is lucrative then you are very much mistaken.
What large API files? Go to EDDB and download average page (get system/station/commodities, 15kb/17kb/80kb with a singular download of css/js around 1mb), what terabytes are you downloading from there? How is my internet still working???
WOW!!!
I have not read the complete thread, just scanned it.
but one thing is for sure, it highlights the fact that the game has a long way to go (not meant in a negative way) but a lot of the information gained from the 3rd party tools should be incorporated in the game.
Just my thoughts!
I have not read the complete thread, just scanned it.
but one thing is for sure, it highlights the fact that the game has a long way to go (not meant in a negative way) but a lot of the information gained from the 3rd party tools should be incorporated in the game.
Just my thoughts!
Which is why there is no clickbait business, bravo
It looks like distributed hosting, so you'll get the alias? Not sure, but for me czech republic and other people france/germany seems like it
I started EDDiscovery and now develops it as free open source with many others.
We have no ads and no donations.
Income: 0.
Costs:
I have a server that mirrors some data from EDDB to offload bandwidth from EDDB. And EDD uses a foew other assets from my server. I use the server for other things so the yearly cost for me on this low EDDs share maybe 10-20 euro per year.
So EDDiscovery is running on a very low loss that i gladly pay.
No counting all time then i got later to work after working way to late with ED the night before
I know both EDSM and EDDB is running on a dedicated server. EDSM used to run on a much simpler cheap solution log ago but the responstime was very slow after a while due to the big resources the database takes.
EDSM is now using a dedicated server and its paid by donations.
You can see the cost for EDSM here: https://www.edsm.net/en/donation
Actually its a little positive on balance now.
In reality Anthonet lost LOTS of money on it. I know he worked lots on EDSM for the love of ED and EDSM for free on his worktime instead of working on a paid project.
How the economy is for the others are i have no idea for but you will not find any 3rd part devs with fancy jets
We have no ads and no donations.
Income: 0.
Costs:
I have a server that mirrors some data from EDDB to offload bandwidth from EDDB. And EDD uses a foew other assets from my server. I use the server for other things so the yearly cost for me on this low EDDs share maybe 10-20 euro per year.
So EDDiscovery is running on a very low loss that i gladly pay.
No counting all time then i got later to work after working way to late with ED the night before
I know both EDSM and EDDB is running on a dedicated server. EDSM used to run on a much simpler cheap solution log ago but the responstime was very slow after a while due to the big resources the database takes.
EDSM is now using a dedicated server and its paid by donations.
You can see the cost for EDSM here: https://www.edsm.net/en/donation
Actually its a little positive on balance now.
In reality Anthonet lost LOTS of money on it. I know he worked lots on EDSM for the love of ED and EDSM for free on his worktime instead of working on a paid project.
How the economy is for the others are i have no idea for but you will not find any 3rd part devs with fancy jets
You should really come and play with us, you seem like a guy who knows a lot. We need more help.
Thanks, will check it out (frankly only known about inara so far)
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Ok, so what are your running costs? 70euro covers all bandwidth or are you paying more depending on traffic? There's an ad on every page on eddb.io so should generate lots of income with 'millions of views'
Wow, 135 pages before I even have the chance to say a thing!
Well, to me it's quite simple: third party developer help players to be willing to play more and therefore help FD to make more money. It is therefore in FD's interest to help the developers to help them to make more money. Case closed
Also I am amused by the amount of people who clearly KNOW how easy and cheap running a web application is. Damn I just estimated $700/month for the new ORM application when we could have a cheap vps for just $10!
Well, to me it's quite simple: third party developer help players to be willing to play more and therefore help FD to make more money. It is therefore in FD's interest to help the developers to help them to make more money. Case closed
Also I am amused by the amount of people who clearly KNOW how easy and cheap running a web application is. Damn I just estimated $700/month for the new ORM application when we could have a cheap vps for just $10!
And so it begins...
You sir have ruined my plans for today - I was going to do some gardening as its a nice day outside.
Now I'm watching Babylon 5 for the rest of the day.
About time there was some rebellion on here instead of people just moaning, I love the Game and I really thank all of the 3rd Party Devs for their hardwork because without their sites I would have been gone around the end of my first month of playtime.
I'm happy that there was such a fast response on Frontiers part, now if only that response time and level of communication was to be their goal all that time that would be great.
Actually, that kind of trade information was supposed to be withheld from the player. Systems were supposed to jealously guard their market prices so Players were supposed to work out their own trade routes. But that was too hard for some players, so the trade databases came along. I know that the galaxy mapping ones are enhancing the community experience but they're not required in order to play the game.
Where the these sites do fill a need is that you can find engineer information (materials etc)/ equipment and ship locations which I feel should have been available to players in the game. In the old versions you could do an educated guess of what would be there based on a systems Tech level But I think that went in FFE.
These website are fantastic, I don't think anyone can argue that but the issue I have is timing. I reckon Frontier would have responded to action in the same manner at any time but threatening Saturday's event while DFev are still trying to stabilize the latest release strikes me as underhand at best and sabotage at worst. Once the 2.3 release had been established, they probably would have had 100% community support for this strike. However, instead they've split the community, generated more bad publicity for Elite : Dangerous and reestablished the biggest salt mine outside of Siberia.
It will be interesting to see what impact this is going to have on 2.4 and any future seasons/releases, I hope it not negative.
You can put those Babylon 5 videotapes away!
An accord was reached yesterday afternoon - all sites were back online by then.
Regards.
Wow, 135 pages before I even have the chance to say a thing!
Well, to me it's quite simple: third party developer help players to be willing to play more and therefore help FD to make more money. It is therefore in FD's interest to help the developers to help them to make more money. Case closed
Also I am amused by the amount of people who clearly KNOW how easy and cheap running a web application is. Damn I just estimated $700/month for the new ORM application when we could have a cheap vps for just $10!
Is it video streaming? Here have b2b elite for 230euro with 10TB data, 1TB hdd:
http://www.inmotionhosting.com/dedicated-servers
But I clearly cannot know how much data can a server hosting text file only htmls can provide. Even if there was daily 10GB sync of whole DB you get 300GB per month, far from 10TB
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Man, you seems are just a troll after I had followed your posts in last 20 pages or so. Please stop your salt just here, wipe tears from your eyes and move on. It looks like you envy what they (3rd party devs) did while not able do the same by yourself. Some of players (like myself) very highly values our free time ... it's something what we cannot buy with moneys. 3rd party tools allows me play ED smoother, have more fun, and if I need, then I can find quickly what I want. If sites/tools have the "Donation" button then usage of this button is done purely on volunteer basis. You have absolutely no rights to questioning players free will to donate to tool/site if they want to.
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First of all, ads and donations give me like 200€ a month. So that makes a profit of 130€ before tax.
Actually calculating the "running cost" is another story. A developers hourly rate is what? Something between 50€ and 280€? Doesn't matter.
What matters is that I spent thousends of hours creating and maintaining EDDB and it was never about the money. It was about having fun supporting a game I love.
Whoever comes up with any thought about money - it doesn't matter here! If we make a loss of 50€ or a profit of 100€ - this is a joke compared to actual developer costs. So whoever is continuing on this argument - nope, it's not our reality!
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