Thargoid Interactions

These aren't Sharks. Sharks are animals that make no plans, have no motives other than basic animal instincts and pose no threat to land-dwelling humans.

These are intelligent sentient beings that (for some reason) attacked us in the past for over 25 years, destroyed entire colony worlds and killed thousands/millions of innocent people and many, many people died fighting them, the only recourse that our leaders felt we had was a strike with a bio-weapon.

What might have motivated our then-leaders to make that decision? They clearly felt that the Thargoids constituted a significant threat to humanity - after all this wasn't a war over territory they had 25 years to invade and they pretty much seemed to just do hit & run raids - it was a war over something else...

I personally do not believe that the Thargoids we're currently fighting are the same Thargoids we fought before. There's no need to go into that here (you can read it here) - but really, that's the major problem. If these aren't the same ones, then it means they might not actually be a threat to us (or, they are more of a threat than the previous bunch!) - if they are the same ones, we should probably all be out there with AX weapons killing them with extreme prejudice - or... have they changed their minds? We just don't know!

Current interactions demonstrate they'll exterminate any ships that "get in the way" take escape pods along with other salvage and apparently attack thousands of ships in the Pleiades (both small scale ships (NHSS5/6) and Megaships/capital ships). It's impossible to deny that the Thargoid interactions have already resulted in the deaths of what must amount to tens of thousands at least by now. And that apparently began before any (known) human attacked a Thargoid.
 
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Current interactions demonstrate they'll exterminate any ships that "get in the way" take escape pods along with other salvage and apparently attack thousands of ships in the Pleiades (both small scale ships (NHSS5/6) and Megaships/capital ships). It's impossible to deny that the Thargoid interactions have already resulted in the deaths of what must amount to tens of thousands at least by now. And that apparently began before any (known) human attacked a Thargoid.

First destroyed ships we have seen were small military fleets, who says they did not shoot first? So far I was never attacked without any reason, only cases being when I tried to get between the Thargoid and its "meal", and even then I could easily escaped if I wanted to. As I learned in my youth, never try to pet an animal if it is eating, even if you think it is friendly. For me it just ended up with a very small wound, since then I know :)
There are destroyed megaships, but we can only speculate who actually destroyed them, AFAIK there are no witnesess to tell us about it?
 
I agree, I argued that same point extensively when the Thargoids started appearing :) and in my theory which I linked there in my post I accounted for those early attacks and speculated on who did them.

But, either way, these Thargoids aren't Sharks, and are exceptionally dangerous (just as much as us!)

They're very likely to be intergalactic, and if that is indeed the case then if they've got designs on colonising this Galaxy then it's possible we're simply in the way...

While I'm sure it'll be entirely possible to have peace, I'm not sure what conditions that peace might have.
 
Personal findings from interacting with them in the community goal is that Thargoids appear to see via HEAT.

I would also like to speculate that they see HEAT as an aggressive action and this causes them to respond. Hence if you enter a NHSS in a hot running ship they will turn hostile quicker than if you turn up in say a diamonback scout built for stealth.

Running a cool ship in a NHSS by use of heat sinks and disabling heat generating modules allows you to get up close and personal with the thargoid to the extent its as if they no longer know you are present.

They will not deploy Thargons and will go about their business .

This allows one to get tissue samples without the Thargoid getting angry and attacking you

It has been stated elsewhere that Thargoids are Ammonia based life. Liquid ammonia boils at -33C and Freezes at -77C at 1 atmosphere pressure. Obviously the highter the pressure the higher the boiling and Freezing points.
It therefore makes sense that they are very sensitive to heat especially as the "heat of Vapourisation" of ammonia is far greater than that of water.
What this means is that Ammonia boils far quicker than water. However it must be said that Ammonia needs more heat energy than water to effect a temperature change.

Something to consider is that low temperatures equate to low energy levels, so more likely Thargoids evolved in higher atmospheric pressure than Humans. Higher pressure raises the freezing and boiling points of liquids.
 
I was rather surprised last night to discover that is still possible to drag a Cylops out to a base. This one followed me to sister's refuge in HIP 16813. I was able to refuel and re-arm without losing the cyclops. It circled around and the thargons kept trying to shoot my ship throug the side of the asteroid. After refueling I launched and loitered around the slot so I could get the freecam close enough

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Does anyone know anything about a long range Thargon atteck? I got hit from about 6km distance. Took down my shields instantly and I might be mistaken but it went from 32 Thargons down to 9. I day or so previously I was destroyed from a similar distance. I though maybe it was some sort of time delayed attack.
 
If I am not mistaken, after 7 minutes if you do not take down the heart, Thargoid goes into "Enrage mode" and deals massive damage and Thargons kamikaze.

Not sure if 7min only applies to Basilisk but I think its both. But even without Enrage, Thargons sometimes do kamikaze attack and you get hurt badly. Usually happens in phase 3 or 4 when normal fighting.

Dragging the thargoid for so long... well its probably beyond angry and does kamikaze immediately :)
 
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Black box? That's definitely new!
As for attacking on sight, were you dropped in nearly on it? Or did you take cargo from its tractor beam or destroy a cannister it was tractoring?
 
I agree, I argued that same point extensively when the Thargoids started appearing :) and in my theory which I linked there in my post I accounted for those early attacks and speculated on who did them.

But, either way, these Thargoids aren't Sharks, and are exceptionally dangerous (just as much as us!)

They're very likely to be intergalactic, and if that is indeed the case then if they've got designs on colonising this Galaxy then it's possible we're simply in the way...

While I'm sure it'll be entirely possible to have peace, I'm not sure what conditions that peace might have.

Hi Cmdr Moribus, according to your theory we, the independent commanders, have to react to FD, the Club, the Oresrians or the Klaxians either way.

As you supposed, both the Club and the Oresrians follow a certain agenda: so we should resist (and fight against?) them. For example: destroy all unknown and not responding transmitter beacons, don't react to AEGIS CGs or invitations, don't deliver alien material to the engeneers anymore, don't take part in the power's actions.

Some might argue that this might cause a lack of effective weapons against the Thargoids. Well, look what happened in the first war - it wasn't the shooting which saved humanity. And by now, only a few Klaxians were brought down by a large alliance of wings.

The Klaxians have started to invade this part of the Galaxy. If it only would be the search for the Oresrians this wouldn't bother me. But humanity has made a deal with the Oresrians, a bad deal. So it will be only a matter of time that we will become a Klaxian target, too. If they would have come here only with "ships", well, this would include the possibility that they simply fly away when their job is done.

But we have these Barnacles which are multi-purpose devices. As you wrote, they can evolve into bases, node points for communication, ships and whatever is needed. These "Barnacle forests" look really frightening from above. This looks like staying. They will not fly away, they have decided to stay, at least in the Pleiades.

So instead of nearly fruitless fighting - a wing of four pilots for one Cyclops, three wings of four pilots for one Basilisk, how many for the Thread level 7 and so on - instead of loosing comrades, ships, time and much credits, wouldn't it be more effektive to destroy Klaxian infrastructure such as sensors and probes?

And FD: maybe it is time for a real revolution of all independent pilots by opposing FD plots in-game? We could alter the game! United we stand, devided we fall!

What do you think? :)
 
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We know fighting them makes them tougher. But it's safe to assume they can't adapt forever, just like us, there's an upper limit to the speed that we can develop new tech and bring it to the field. I think really bringing in Basilisk is a good thing for us, I think it shows that they're having to bring in reinforcements - while that's not good in that they're tougher, it's good in that it means we've hurt them (or at least inconvenienced them).

On a meta level, I think the fact that Fdev are repeatedly running CG's to get people to kill Thargoid ships means the plot-development might actually be based on number of kills or something (speculation).

We have Guardian-tech weapons now that we didn't have in the last war. The Klaxians haven't practised fighting humanity like the Oresrians have. The Oresrians told us that we're more flexible and adaptable than any Thargoids - which is our advantage (it's what allowed us to beat them), even if they have greater numbers and technology. You're right, we didn't win the last war by fighting ships - but it's possible that fighting ship-to-ship might have bought time to develop alternatives.

I do think the Barnacles mean they're moving in to stay and i still think that's the weak point of the whole Thargoid plan, but Fdev won't allow us to take action there, but I hope there's going to be a time we can attack them.

If that time comes we're going to need to know who the real enemy are, how to defeat them and where best to strike. I honestly don't know if that means fighting the Thargoids, or fighting the elements of humanity that are clearly involved in a galaxy-spanning conspiracy. If it turns out to be the Thargoids, then practising by killing them now will come in handy later :)
 
How do you guys know what the Oresians are up to?
Who says the Klaxians are now here?

I think their should be a dual civil war/Thargoid war, Thargoid vs Thargoid, Human pro Thargoid vs Human anti Thargoid with mass slaughter across the galaxy! ;)
 
Square-based Thargoid wake (again) in ZA-N 87-2 5 mins ago.

Notice: non-thargoid interaction: parked in space, NPC bounty hunter hits me with impulse attack - unknown substance detected info????
 
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Anyway, the theory of Cmdr Moribus sounds very plausibly.
And when I looked at the overall picture and made up my mind what would be most effectivly, I got the idea of the Thargoid infrastructure. If we cannot beat them at the moment, how can we spoil their party nevertheless? And Moribus' suggestions that, for example, the Barnacles could on of the keys, lead me to my question to you here if we should destroy the Barnacles. You wrote that it is impossible to destroy them permanently. So what about the other tools Thargoids use for collecting data? How could we disrupt their information network?

So I started some experiments and found that destroying Thargoid sensors and probes might be something useful. Very scaring was a visit today at the crash site on HIP 17403 | Planet A 4 A which is big graveyard. On my way up to the site, suddenly I was scanned and didn't know where it came from. Later on I found the still scanning and transmissing (?) sensors at the crash site. Spooky at all!

I expanded my experiments to the NHSS 5 and 6 and found that destroying Thargoid sensors even in the presence of Basilisks did me no harm. So I will continue to disrupt the Thargoid information network where and when I can and I encourage Cmdrs to do the same. Maybe it will confuse the Klaxians - and FD has to respond. Let's take the "game" into our hands. ACT - DO NOT REACT only.

Here is a short video of what I did today - pay attention on the Basilisk. Though I was within reach of the Thargs, they didn't attack.

[video=youtube_share;dGbL5IBN2Zs]https://youtu.be/dGbL5IBN2Zs[/video]
 
hello cmdrs

got interdicted by two goids way out of the goid-bubble.

i was on the jump from
- ARIETIS SECTOR HW-W C1-9
to
- BOTEIN

and when u check the data u see im in the human bubble

at my position : merope is 225.97 LY away

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sry for the bad quality ... but tried to start obc and took a screenshot from it. have the video but dont know where to upload...
 
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Sorry mate, but I very rarely venture out of my subscribed threads, and that's a lot to read too ;), not sure when I'll have time, but I will :).
Oh also I don't really get into the big theory debates, it's a lot of speculation & takes a lot of time to read.

kellakind
Interesting! Have you reported the hyperdiction in the report form?
 
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