I wasn't on today but we have people from my squadron continuous doing bombing runs. Steady going if not fast.
Thargoid invasion - Next target systems?
- Thread starter Aleks Zuno
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I am honestly very, very suspicious that T. Leigong would be moving just as slowly even if had identical resistance to T. Taranis; that is to say:
- The lower rate is due to low participation.
- The low participation, via the presumption that the resistance must be too much, is causing the low rate used to justify not participating!
Maybe full judgements need to await the weekend and/or once the Titan shows more progress to have people look at it more. I can't imagine that having three extra controls to Taranis would cause this much of a difficulty increase.
... I don't suppose one could put a lore spin on it of the nanites losing effectiveness as the Thargoids learn how to counter or neutralize them more effectively? After all, we only found out about their existence because the crashed ships which now form surface sites turn them into Guardian-Thargoid hybrid relics. (Without seeming to affect the machinery responsible for the conversion, I might add.)
I sure do find it odd no one from Aegis questioned the Thargoids' possible knowledge of this mechanism, over making these torpedoes available to pilots as quickly as possible, as though there was such an urgent rush (well, beyond the casualties Titans continue to inflict in the affected border systems) to take the Titans down, like they were actively pushing into the Bubble with their support fleets while leaving behind entirely devastated territory, as opposed to just holding territory and getting comfy.
... I don't suppose one could put a lore spin on it of the nanites losing effectiveness as the Thargoids learn how to counter or neutralize them more effectively? After all, we only found out about their existence because the crashed ships which now form surface sites turn them into Guardian-Thargoid hybrid relics. (Without seeming to affect the machinery responsible for the conversion, I might add.)
I sure do find it odd no one from Aegis questioned the Thargoids' possible knowledge of this mechanism, over making these torpedoes available to pilots as quickly as possible, as though there was such an urgent rush (well, beyond the casualties Titans continue to inflict in the affected border systems) to take the Titans down, like they were actively pushing into the Bubble with their support fleets while leaving behind entirely devastated territory, as opposed to just holding territory and getting comfy.
Could be curious if Leigong will stay at 8 or 7 hearts until next Thursday, but we reduce resistance enough to send it in meltdown at Friday night, and then everyone complain that they missed it.
Far as participation, all I can offer is that it was top of the list for targets AXI-ward for all willing to engage, went over personally in turn for a few runs while i could... but, we are not quite 'FD on stream, on social media, on galnet and the ED website saying from all directions HIT TARANIS NOW' level far as audience/people interested in listening.
The note that the issues with titan cores continue and the fix appears to be more a 'check for failure then reset' rather than 'failure prevented altogether' may have burned a few pilots and seen at least one squadron drop it and return to invasions as is.
Given thanks to its personal space the remaining systems Can be taken down pretty reasonably compared to some of stuff we took out in the old days, and FD on the frontierunlocked declared "You're doing it the hard way, as always" far as attacking Taranis at Moderate DR, will keep slowly headbutting personally.
Will transfer the few i got for 9709 to medi's carrier then invicta can be prep for 10118.
-- the newly rebranded 'HIP 10118 Samples Tank' as people were still delivering after that declaration is now by the main star in Arietis Sector XJ-R b4-1, hopefully making the process smoother.
The note that the issues with titan cores continue and the fix appears to be more a 'check for failure then reset' rather than 'failure prevented altogether' may have burned a few pilots and seen at least one squadron drop it and return to invasions as is.
Given thanks to its personal space the remaining systems Can be taken down pretty reasonably compared to some of stuff we took out in the old days, and FD on the frontierunlocked declared "You're doing it the hard way, as always" far as attacking Taranis at Moderate DR, will keep slowly headbutting personally.
Will transfer the few i got for 9709 to medi's carrier then invicta can be prep for 10118.
-- the newly rebranded 'HIP 10118 Samples Tank' as people were still delivering after that declaration is now by the main star in Arietis Sector XJ-R b4-1, hopefully making the process smoother.
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This seems likely - there were a lot of tiny percentages above zero detected around Taranis shortly after the servers came back up
Have nearly a day of hourly progress data now - looks like around 2x from the previous rate as expected, or maybe a bit less. Star is the weekly tick / restart / change in difficulty.
fdev stating again that we need to work the Thargoid BGS https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-titan-stratagem.623749/
I do wonder if we should have a smaller set of objectives for the OP - I know ppl want to contain all the Titans so there is less work later, but IMHO the critical work is around Leigong (and maybe Oya) and I don't get that from the OP.
I do wonder if we should have a smaller set of objectives for the OP - I know ppl want to contain all the Titans so there is less work later, but IMHO the critical work is around Leigong (and maybe Oya) and I don't get that from the OP.
It's a trap; if we start doing that and make faster progress, they'll just up the difficulty again like they did with Invasions and Alerts before.
I don't think so. Upping difficulty when they wanted the war to be steady state made some sense. If they want this war to be over before p19 they really need to make it go faster, not slower (hence they keep posting to tell people they are doing it wrong).
Perhaps if they accepted their own part in things and made the activities worth more instead of gaslighting us like this we might get somewhere. Nobody asked them to undo a year's work and demoralise the entire playerbase overnight and it's about time they took responsibility for that instead of pretending they're not part of the problem.
I think, again, they can say we're "doing it wrong" all they like, but:
1) We figured out that we need to reduce control counts a week ago if we want to get anywhere except Taranis.
2) Pretty much all the coordinated effort is going into containment, reduction, or attacking the currently weakest Titan already; the people beating up the spires at Indra for fun or fighting a doomed invasion because it has nice ports this week aren't going to care. Sure, there's an argument that "too much" effort is still being spent on attacking Leigong but at this stage getting that information on "how weak is weak enough" is really important.
3) Reduction (as opposed to partial containment) basically requires excessive use of sampling which most players aren't interested in. It's not as if there's a huge pool of extra players who could be shrinking Leigong who are instead "wasting their time" (not actually wasting time!) stopping Oya/Hadad/Indra getting even bigger.
4) For anywhere other than Leigong, the trade-off between "brute-force the Titan for another three months" and "find a way to sustainably take its control count down to Very High or better" is not at all obvious. Titans don't heal, so an inefficient attack on a Titan is still better than a failed attack/defense anywhere else in terms of progress.
5) Not that it really matters in the long run, but sticking the Alert count back up to 8 this week hardly helps with the whole "you should be reducing their size" thing.
1) We figured out that we need to reduce control counts a week ago if we want to get anywhere except Taranis.
2) Pretty much all the coordinated effort is going into containment, reduction, or attacking the currently weakest Titan already; the people beating up the spires at Indra for fun or fighting a doomed invasion because it has nice ports this week aren't going to care. Sure, there's an argument that "too much" effort is still being spent on attacking Leigong but at this stage getting that information on "how weak is weak enough" is really important.
3) Reduction (as opposed to partial containment) basically requires excessive use of sampling which most players aren't interested in. It's not as if there's a huge pool of extra players who could be shrinking Leigong who are instead "wasting their time" (not actually wasting time!) stopping Oya/Hadad/Indra getting even bigger.
4) For anywhere other than Leigong, the trade-off between "brute-force the Titan for another three months" and "find a way to sustainably take its control count down to Very High or better" is not at all obvious. Titans don't heal, so an inefficient attack on a Titan is still better than a failed attack/defense anywhere else in terms of progress.
5) Not that it really matters in the long run, but sticking the Alert count back up to 8 this week hardly helps with the whole "you should be reducing their size" thing.
the only way this works is as a 'seriously guys - don't bother with anything apart from the next target(s)' hint.
It feels to me like fdev think everyone should be motivated to be squashing one Titan while bringing the next down to > 6 controls every week so we could be done in a couple of months. But they haven't given us the tools to coordinate that, and the methods are not well known, so it won't ever happen. Surprised that they don't see that - from inside I think it's pretty clear
Edit: fdev's biggest fail in this whole war has been to not balance the activities so that haulers AND combat pilots AND science samples can all contribute to all systems
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its easy if around 50 to 60 comanders would sample the target systems we would collect all the sample in about 1.5 hours. Not including selling time this would mean we would do around 2 systems a day for only investing 3 to 4 hours per player. If people are motivated to spend more time or we get more players to do it, we could see controlled systems get 100% as fast as we saw hearts vanishing from Taranis.the only way this works is as a 'seriously guys - don't bother with anything apart from the next target(s)' hint.
It feels to me like fdev think everyone should be motivated to be squashing one Titan while bringing the next down to > 6 controls every week so we could be done in a couple of months. But they haven't given us the tools to coordinate that, and the methods are not well known, so it won't ever happen. Surprised that they don't see that - from inside I think it's pretty clear
Sampling is an inherently boring activity, and combat in controls is not really an effective use of time. Those two factors will not really entice people to start doing the thing, and clearing anything below the 10ly mark is excessively difficult to the point of not being worth it.
(If it does turn out to be necessary, as opposed to being able to clear Titans at Moderate or High like Taranis.)
(If it does turn out to be necessary, as opposed to being able to clear Titans at Moderate or High like Taranis.)
Of course its a boring activity but if everyone can invest an hour or 2 into a boring activity we can kill the titan a week later.
Dunno - I like sampling and did it before the war 
The problem is when someone turns up to help at the war
And then you need specific ships, with unusual modules (to most ppl) - and the larger CRCRs aren't available unless you luckily already had them, and techniques that aren't obvious. Ack.
Anyway - 117 more limpets before I'm done with this run
The problem is when someone turns up to help at the war
- You're a combat pilot - no point to combat - here are some research limpets - good luck!
- You're a hauler - no point to shipping - here are some research limpets - good luck!
- You're a passenger pilot - no point to passengers - here are some research limpets - good luck!
- You're an explorer - no point to exploration - here are some research limpets - good luck!
And then you need specific ships, with unusual modules (to most ppl) - and the larger CRCRs aren't available unless you luckily already had them, and techniques that aren't obvious. Ack.
Anyway - 117 more limpets before I'm done with this run
Some people don’t have an interest in it anyway because it’s a gamified activity as well. Unless you have a good explanation for why it makes Thargoids run in fear (that isn’t just joking).
at least for the haulers is a job, you can just Haul the collected samples when your in a wing so the collectors dont need to transport stuff. even one combat pilot can keep the other spawing scouts in check. But i know its not the most fun type of gameplay but its the one that is most efficient. I guess that why it was not "rebalanced" because noone does huge ammounts of itDunno - I like sampling and did it before the war
The problem is when someone turns up to help at the war
- You're a combat pilot - no point to combat - here are some research limpets - good luck!
- You're a hauler - no point to shipping - here are some research limpets - good luck!
- You're a passenger pilot - no point to passengers - here are some research limpets - good luck!
- You're an explorer - no point to exploration - here are some research limpets - good luck!
And then you need specific ships, with unusual modules (to most ppl) - and the larger CRCRs aren't available unless you luckily already had them, and techniques that aren't obvious. Ack.
Anyway - 117 more limpets before I'm done with this run
The horror scenario is that they nerf sampling to be as bad as everything else. They need to buff other things to be as useful. But then they've needed since the start of the war, so I'm not holding my breath.