The Alien Ruins: Mengy's stellar map theory for your enjoyment

[Cmdr Frawd Digger]

If my theory here is convincing enough then maybe we'll get some more commanders to join the exploration and actually find something new for the puzzle! If we find nothing then I'm just a crazy explorer who needs to be slapped around a bit, lol.

Well, this makes my two days of bumping around in the dark in my SRV look pathetic!!

Just wondering...since the ruins are pointing to at least two systems, there must also be details in the "map" that tell us what planet and even at what coordinates the ruins are pointing to. I wouldn't think the civilisation that created this would tell us the system without pointing to exactly what they want us to find.

Not that it compares to your work Cmdr but I found interesting phenomena at the original site...see my thread here:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nder-Sequals-Adventures-in-or-near-the-bubble

I bow in amazement at your discovery!

Frawd

 

[Cmdr Frawd Digger]

I'm thinking that regardless of the use of the word "light year" or not....
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The speed of light IS...
You can cut it up any number of ways and call it whatever you would like....
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Distance over time is the key...
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Whatever those units of measurement are called will still equate to some ratio of any other units used in measuring light's travel. Our definition of "time" and theirs may not be the same, nor our name for the distances covered in that time, but they do equate.
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So whatever unit you chose to implement, it is still rather curious that there is a magnitude that relates the findings at the site to Sol and it's relation to another set of systems.
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That being said.... there are a bunch of stars out there, and while there is room for this to still be the merest intersect of coincidence and wishful thinking...
It is of such a nature as to be relatively easy to confirm, and so, should be investigated thoroughly!

I agree with you cmdr. It doesn't matter that in human terms 1M = 1LY on the map. The actual distances and angles are absolute so whatever form of measurement the 'others' used the map will still give the same answer.

Frawd

 

[Jermus]

Mengy, what a great find.

Your find has a touch of poetry to it . And even if it appears to be just a major improbably coincidence, which I do not think because it contains too much co-incidentals, it is a beauty of its own. I really enjoyed this read. Thanks for sharing your finds.

 

[Jackie Silver]

Just wondering...since the ruins are pointing to at least two systems, there must also be details in the "map" that tell us what planet and even at what coordinates the ruins are pointing to. I wouldn't think the civilisation that created this would tell us the system without pointing to exactly what they want us to find.

Good point, maybe that's what the lines of obelisks indicate.

 

[Cmdr Frawd Digger]

Will start investigating that tonight...

Frawd

 

[Imajican]

Interesting, so you are saying spin my map 90° clockwise based on Sol and scale it up by a factor of 10, then alpha target theoretically could be Cassiopia A in the Formadine Rift at about 11,800 lys? Then what would the large landing pad represent? It would have to be a system about 3680 lys from Sol, and at about 7° negative from Sol on the galactic Y axis. I wonder where that puts beta target then too?

When I get home I can try that out, I didn’t do much experimenting with scaling the map up or down, that 368m distance had me convinced the map was at a scale of one meter to one light year...

Im out near the rift now so im heading out to that area to check , Gave you some Rep as well [up]

 

[bitstorm]

Interesting, and clearly a ton of work gone into it, repped!

For me I think I have to agree with geoman though. In that if there's an error it might be here : "I've either figured out what the ruins are or I've discovered a hugely improbable coincidence!"

I mean in the end there are a lot of systems out there, producing a theory that results in prediction that aligns with some system I don't think requires a hugely improbably coincidence, just needs lots of systems.

 

[Lyneira]

Amazing discovery, I think soon when it's time to take some ship launched fighters out for a spin these systems you've found clues to are where I'll be doing some flying and searching!

 

[Jackie Silver]

Will start investigating that tonight...

Frawd

I'm thinking that you could represent latitude and longitude using circular or semicircular coordinates. With a centreline pointing "north" (or to the top of the map), draw another line to align with a row of obelisks and take the angle between them as an appropriate fraction of the latitude or longitude - so you'd count round starting at +pi / 2 = + 90 degrees for latitude going down to -pi / 2 = - 90 degrees, similarly for longitude from +pi to -pi.

However although there seem to be two rows of obelisks associated with the alpha pad target and two with the beta pad target, only one row from each can be aligned that way, so I dunno...

You'd also need (perhaps) a way of specifying the appropriate planet or moon; perhaps the triangular arrangements of pillars code for that. Again, there seems to be one associated with the alpha and one with the beta target.

 

[Baroness Galaxy]

Mengy I'm going to call you Mr. Jones from on

Your work is inspiring and engaging, no amount of rep is enough

 

[Iron Orchid]

Are there any hires closeup pictures of the markings (if they are markings) I've circled in yellow-

 

[Mostly Awol]

Since I'm back in the bubble and close to finishing engineering my ship I might head on out and help with this. I will admit this is something that FDev would do to and kind of puzzles I would expect from them.

 

[Cmdr Frawd Digger]

Are there any hires closeup pictures of the markings (if they are markings) I've circled in yellow- View attachment 113443

I can take some for you tonight Cmdr and post them here.

Frawd

 

[dynamicbob]

I still feel there is something that is being collectively missed but its pretty close i think

 

[Cmdr Frawd Digger]

I still feel there is something that is being collectively missed but its pretty close i think

I agree dynamicbob. There are all the alien relic things that pop up out of the ground. They must be for something...

Maybe this is a map but I think it is something "active" as well

Frawd

 

[Jackie Silver]

I had another look up there yesterday; from the ground, everything seems less precise and less clear-cut than the aerial map shows. Additionally I got different measurements for the distance from the pyramid summit to the centrepoint of the main circle pad.

I noted that the display of blue triangular data on the obelisks is repeating on a very short cycle and was identical across various different obelisks. Whoever built that place really loves their triangles. My video recording software was broked or I would've recorded it and tried to analyse it properly.

 

[Kuroshio]

I had another look up there yesterday; from the ground, everything seems less precise and less clear-cut than the aerial map shows. Additionally I got different measurements for the distance from the pyramid summit to the centrepoint of the main circle pad.

I noted that the display of blue triangular data on the obelisks is repeating on a very short cycle and was identical across various different obelisks. Whoever built that place really loves their triangles. My video recording software was broked or I would've recorded it and tried to analyse it properly.

I blame the Alliance. Logo with lots of triangles, all less straight than they seem at first glance - just like the ruins ...

 

[Cmdr Frawd Digger]

Ok here is a bunch of aerial photos I took of the various structures...I found it hard to maintain same height/angle etc so forgive me if they are all not to the same scale.

And I agree with Cmdr Jackie Silver. There is a lot of imprecision in the structures...not just the "earth" ones but also the metallic ones. They are not all nicely centred as you will see in the pics below. I flew as close as I could to some of the obelisks that light up but my sidey didnt activate them...you need an SRV

Apologies for the sidey shadow getting in the way occasionally.

Beware, lots of images:

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Note how the metal structures are not perfectly centred within the flat metal areas...

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And yes, LOTS of triangles...triangular pyramids, triangles made up of triangles, hexagons made up of triangles....

Frawd

 

[Iron Orchid]

Thanks Frawd, that makes it a lot clearer to what they look like, God knows what they are for though. The site look likes it had a far bit of wear and tear with a couple of "breaks" in the outer "wall" and several "obelisks" damaged or completely missing. The other marks that look like the remains of walls inside the main "wall" - but I don't think they are. Although I like Mengy's theory it is a little bit "Eric Von Däniken"

We really need someone to run some LIDAR over it.

Well I'm only about 300 jumps away won't take long

Perhaps if it is "active" it will require cooperation to make it "work"?

 

[RhymeRhyme]

The Alien Ruins are one big machine.

That's what it is. Like in Total Recall (Schwarzenegger). Once activated, they might open a portal and the invasion starts. There's a lot underneath the sand which we can't see. Maybe once started, the sand disappears and the entire structure will be visible.