The core gameplay is boring

[TomP]

I have to ask, what white knights? at least what I've seen there's no one including myself that are saying Elite is perfect, mostly they just disagree and provide other points they dislike, or say they like one thing but not another?
Sadly it seems a lot of people are labelled "white knight" as a derogative term by people that don't actually read what is written, or simply because they disagree. A lot of times people seemed focused on arguing with people rather then actually finding a solution, which to me, looks so much like a lot of politicians that it is disturbing

These forums are not always a very welcoming habitat for players who actually like the game! Positive comments are usually construed as "white knighting", and the predictable, objectionable accusations of mindless "fanboi" [sic] adoration are thrown around.

I have more fun playing the game than reading about why I am an idiot for enjoying it, despite some of its acknowledged shortcomings.

 

[Brian of Earth]

I've posted some very basic sugestion so people could understand what I'm saying. Because I don't know the reason why people don't understand when you tell them the core activities are very simple and have very simple mechanics. I don't want the mechanics implemented exactly how I suggested. I want FD to come up with their unique mechanics but they need to have some skill and challenge so I can feel Im piloting a ship.

Easy Answer:

"Thread: The core gameplay is boring"

When you start a thread, try titles that invite people to discuss your thoughts/opinions. Don't bait them into defending their reason for playing the game.

"Thread: Discuss Game Mechanics" or. "Thread: Personally I find the game boring due to game mechanics" will pull in more thoughtful discussion.

Something less flame-worthy. Then you will spend less time defending your opinion and more time discussing your thoughts on improving gameplay.

Just some advice.

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

Everything changes! If you own a cat, it will turn into a dog. You wake up one morning, and you're married to a Thargoid.

yep alone the word "evertyhing changes" is a lie, or Elite would nto be named Elite anymore. Every ship woudl change, any graphic any any any... its already inaccurrate

Don't have issues beign married to a thragoid as long as I get a cool ship and cool stuff with it. And when not, man why did no one told it/him/her that bug spray is not a thargoid deo spray.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIIQKVdIXGA

Just because you don't know what use things have doesn't make them useless.

Fun fact: beginners always think they need a highly sophisticated, well balanced, ultimate "amazing rod" that will magically turn them into unstoppable fighting machines. Made in Japan, hand selected, monk smoked, Hattori Hanzo style .. right.

After about 50 years of practice, you can beat anyone with any stick you get your hands on.

You know my ex-wife?

seriously dude you use the rod for fighting? thats caveman level of imagination and far from "amazing". But tis the "amazing imaginary rod" make it at least be with a spiky ball in your mind.

 

[fuub]

Don't listen to the forum fanboys, for them the game is perfect and FD is god.

For the normal person the game core is serious lacking a decent game design. Maybe this will change, but considering FD history on all updates until now, I wouldn't count on it.

 

[Ignition]

posts without anything constructive or even examples of what people 'would' like to see in the game, do not help game devs, unless you mean that they should be randomly guessing what people might like? they need something to interpret which it what I want people to be posting, purely negative posts saying what they don't like doesn't really help anything, because there will always be people that dislike something about games, so they would need to read all of that and find something that everyone doesn't dislike? why not instead have them be able to pick out what people do like and build from that?

Though your post, is right in terms of trading it would be nice with some statistics to see what is happening on the market, though the pictures are by my taste a bit messy. But that's design tastes, which will always vary.

You say my OP is not clear enough? What is that it needs to be randomly guessed?
Those pictures were an art vision for THIS GAME from the early days. For this and much other things is why I bought the Premium Beta.

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Why some people get so angry when someone say something which he feels something doesn't feel right?
It's feels always like, "It works for me so don't change it". Different mechanics to do the same stuff could coexist, a simplified and a more complex one.

 

[sirius42]

The core activities you can do in this game are too much simplified.

You know the game "One Finger Death Punch" ? All you need to do in this game is to press the left and right mouse button and it got overwhelmingly positive reviews on steam while beeing a best seller. And there are hundreds of games like this nowadays people seem to like it.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/264200/?l=english

 

[Bran Tse Mallory]

Nope it's fun if you have no imagination so don't play this used up, tired canard here. Imagination requires an open mind plus the ability to think and dream. This is what makes it impossible to play a game as dull as ED. You have to close off your mind to ingore the repetitive nature of the game and convince yourself it's fun.

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So you missed the point once again. How do you keep do this?

If the core gameplay was improved, it wouldn't suddenly mean everything would get more action packed. No wonder you have nonsensical arguments because you can't understand what's being said here.

I see comprehension of words is not your strong point. I was replying directly to the OP's comment, that much was made very clear from the start. As for nonsensical arguments... I have read your comments in the various threads and find them to bring nothing to the table other than negativity as shown above - hence I normally ignore most of what you say rather than make wild claims about the validity of another's opinion.

If you find my posts so 'nonsensical' may I suggest using the ignore feature, it will save you seconds of your life.

 

[Kayweg]

These forums are not always a very welcoming habitat for players who actually like the game! Positive comments are usually construed as "white knighting", and the predictable, objectionable accusations of mindless "fanboi" [sic] adoration are thrown around.

I have more fun playing the game than reading about why I am an idiot for enjoying it, despite some of its shortcomings.

Goes both ways, i'm sure you noticed that the "whiner" and "hater" insults have been thrown about just as much for criticizing and negative posts.
This stuff comes with every forum. The people using these terms are best ignored, and there'll still be plenty of people left who you can disagree, yet still discuss with without name calling.

 

[Boomer Kay]

seriously dude you use the rod for fighting? thats caveman level of imagination and far from "amazing". But tis the "amazing imaginary rod" make it at least be with a spiky ball in your mind.

No, you use it not to fight.
A concept you might understand after a few more than 50 years of practice

Never been to a casino, but judging casinogoers.
Never done martial arts, but judging the purpose of the art.
Anything I missed?

Ah, yea. Stations have no in-game declaration of their purpose. That's still outposts.

Oh, and probably not been to Merope yet.

 

[Brian of Earth]

Don't listen to the forum fanboys, for them the game is perfect and FD is god.

For the normal person the game core is serious lacking a decent game design. Maybe this will change, but considering FD history on all updates until now, I wouldn't count on it.

YAY FANBOY!!!

I am here because I love the game. It is way way far from perfect, and I like all the chaos, actually. I don't participate in PP or CQC, because I think those two things are . I think FD is by-and-large tone deaf (broken CGs week after week, that wouldn't happen if they were more engaged). I think I'll like Engineers, but probably won't care much for multi-crew. In my opinion.

I do understand disagreement and lively discussion, I don't understand the name calling crap. That is something children do to make themselves seem like more than they are.

 

[TomP]

Goes both ways, i'm sure you noticed that the "whiner" and "hater" insults have been thrown about just as much for criticizing and negative posts.
This stuff comes with every forum. The people using these terms are best ignored, and there'll still be plenty of people left who you can disagree, yet still discuss with without name calling.

Agreed. Although I am still at a loss as to why some folk continue posting who claim to have given up playing the game some time ago!

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

No, you use it not to fight.
A concept you might understand after a few more than 50 years of practice

Never been to a casino, but judging casinogoers.
Never done martial arts, but judging the purpose of the art.
Anything I missed?

broken logic!, thats what you missed. True martial arts is about fighting. How much must one know about fighting to be able to judge something? It's not as special as you make (or want) it to look like.

Look a judge, never killed someone but judging killers.

Do you ever listen to your logic and carry it a bit further to the borders where it bends and starts breaking? Because thats the point where true logic is proofed to be rational or just nonsense.

 

[no namn]

Everything in this game revolves in those 4 activities...

just like real life then: eat, toilet, sleep, multiply. life is kinda boring and repetitive too if u look at it this way

 

[Lily from anim.o.v.e]

just like real life then: eat, toilet, sleep, multiply. life is kinda boring and repetitive too if u look at it this way

No, becasue even when life is those 4 activities they have diversity within these activities, Elie lacks this. I know a lot way to eat and multiply. Sleeping is rather passive, and toilet is just a necessarity. So yes these 2 aren't that exciting. But the rest is great.

 

[Cynaqq]

Yep..

The white knights have lost this match and I don't think they can win it. As soon as ED acknowledges the issues (and they have in some cases) and fixes them everyone will win.

YAY! What a way to give credit to yourself!

Perfect way of thinking:

If the game turns out bad and it doesn't succeed, FD didn't know what to do, they are a crappy game studio. Also white knights brought it down.

If, however, FD makes a good game in the end, all according to their plan, in due time, 'OH, FD listened to the critiques and that's why ED turned out good! If they listened to the 'fanboys and white knights' it would have been bad!

How about a third alternative?

FD is actually aware of what they are doing and they had know all along which parts of the gameplay was lacking. So they built it up with common sense and logic according to the development plan they had from the beginning.

How is this? Very hard to grasp?

 

[ErikMaintainer]

I've posted some very basic sugestion so people could understand what I'm saying. Because I don't know the reason why people don't understand when you tell them the core activities are very simple and have very simple mechanics. I don't want the mechanics implemented exactly how I suggested. I want FD to come up with their unique mechanics but they need to have some skill and challenge so I can feel Im piloting a ship.

Well your opening post made no mention of suggestions for improvement and was really just a statement of how you view the game as simplistic and repetitive, and you titled the thread "The core gameplay is boring". It didn't come across as particularly constructive, and it is perhaps little wonder that some people have then asked you to explain what you would improve.

I note that you haven't responded to the majority of my post, which attempted to set player complaints into the context of game development - something that is a profound issue for developers in this era of game development and post-development.

Personally, I can think of improvements that I want to see (e.g. voice comms (I'm an Xbox player), but I am one voice amongst thousands and I know that I have as much chances as those thousands of having my wishes fulfilled. If they are, then great. If not, the game is still thoroughly enjoyable in my eyes. And I am no 'white knight' or 'fanboy'. I've been playing videogames for over 30 years and know well enough that not every piece of output from a particular developer is A-rated. I can probably count on the fingers of one hand how many 'perfect' games I've played. ED isn't one of them, and I do not expect it to be.

If you want to catch the developer's eye, post your suggestions in the dedicated suggestions section of the forum. They may very well take them on bored, and I suspect they are more likely to read those posts than the ones that simply list criticisms and are titled 'boring'. That is a genuine suggestion from me. I am not trying to be snarky.

 

[Ian Skippy]

I have to ask, what white knights? at least what I've seen there's no one including myself that are saying Elite is perfect, mostly they just disagree and provide other points they dislike, or say they like one thing but not another?
Sadly it seems a lot of people are labelled "white knight" as a derogative term by people that don't actually read what is written, or simply because they disagree. A lot of times people seemed focused on arguing with people rather then actually finding a solution, which to me, looks so much like a lot of politicians that it is disturbing

Second question: what 'match'? Apparantly some people see it as a 'match', where they have to convince others not to have fun. Colonel Kenney seems to think he 'won' that 'match'. Have a gold star, Colonel! Anyway, I'm back playing ED with a mate. Don't let the Colonel know it, he might think he 'lost' and come back for a rematch.

More seriously: at least he's more honest about what this nonsense is all about, and its not 'constructive criticism'...

 

[Boomer Kay]

broken logic!, thats what you missed. True martial arts is about fighting. How much must one know about fighting to be able to judge something? It's not as special as you make (or want) it to look like.

Look a judge, never killed someone but judging killers.

Do you ever listen to your logic and carry it a bit further to the borders where it bends and starts breaking? Because thats the point where true logic is proofed to be rational or just nonsense.

I tried to follow your reasoning, but you repeatedly cross into a bizarro universe of your own logic, speaking with authority about things you haven't even touched.
If you want to learn (about) martial arts, I'll PM you the adress of my dojo.
Until then.. armchair blabla "wisdom" gained from playing some romanticized computergames.

 

[Ignition]

Easy Answer:

"Thread: The core gameplay is boring"

When you start a thread, try titles that invite people to discuss your thoughts/opinions. Don't bait them into defending their reason for playing the game.

"Thread: Discuss Game Mechanics" or. "Thread: Personally I find the game boring due to game mechanics" will pull in more thoughtful discussion.

Something less flame-worthy. Then you will spend less time defending your opinion and more time discussing your thoughts on improving gameplay.

Just some advice.

Its not flame, its real. The gameplay for me and others is boring and people get upset for nothing really.
I don't speak english with perfection so maybe I'm a bit direct when I speak and maybe I don't use polite ways to say things but if people get mad because of that then they shouldn't be reading a forum.

And I'm not saying all the game is bad. I'm always talking of the core activities, Powerplay for example has a very nice UI, I like it very much and I like the idea behind PP. But I cannot stand the gameplay, its a recycled mechanics over and over.

 

[Boomer Kay]

Its not flame, its real. The gameplay for me and others is boring and people get upset for nothing really.
I don't speak english with perfection so maybe I'm a bit direct when I speak and maybe I don't use polite ways to say things but if people get mad because of that then they shouldn't be reading a forum.

Quite frankly and directly speaking .. go and get another game then.

League of Legens is boring for me. I don't play it any more. I'm not on their forums trying to convince them to change their core game design.
Skyrim is boring for me. I don't play it any more. I'm not on their forums trying to convince them to change their core game design.
NEverquest is boring for me. I don't play it any more. I'm not on their forums trying to convince them to change their core game design.
Fallout 4 .. never even bothered getting it. Not on their forums trying to convince them to change their core game design.