General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

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Which is sometimes for the best. Medical crises and mishaps can cause mandates to be issued, for example thalidomide led to mandatory tighter regulation of medicines. Then further regulation may be required to stop things like the Infowars covid cure toothpaste or bleach being sold as genuine medical products.
The key word would be: "Sometimes"!
 
I think all countries are struggling to keep up with testing.
It is a strange one in the UK if you read the press testing is a mess.... But in my straw poll massively accurate of..... 4 .... It's been great. We tested my lad we got a negative result within 24 hrs.
My wife got tested a week later also negstive within 24 hrs. My mate did his whole family using the postal service - using Amazon prime delivery the kits arrived next day he sent them back and got a phone call the SAME DAY with a positive result in one of them..... Who he then got tested at a drive in centre the following day and again got a result within 24 hrs.
The 2 walk in centres my son and wife used were organised, quick and esp in the case of one of them friendly .
I am no fan of this government and certainly not how they have handled covid but I personally can't complain about the testing.

Anyone afraid of going to a testing centre because they are at risk I can only give you my experience. I thought it was fine esp for the drive in type
You drive in a person comes to the front of your car with signs to phone a number .(it is their number. ) You chat on the phone they ask you to open the window an inch and they give you a kit (everyone wearing masks and keeping distance) you drive out of the way, do the test (which is "fun" with a 4 year old) all done in the car. Once done you put your hazard lights on and reverse the process.

But all that said if anyone is worried just do the postal service
 
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It is a strange one in the UK if you read the press testing is a mess.... But in my straw poll massively accurate of..... 4 .... It's been great. We tested my lad we got a negative result within 24 hrs.
My wife got tested a week later also negstive within 24 hrs. My mate did his whole family using the postal service - using Amazon prime delivery the kits arrived next day he sent them back and got a phone call the SAME DAY with a positive result in one of them..... Who he then got tested at a drive in centre the following day and again got a result within 24 hrs.
The 2 walk in centres my son and wife used were organised, quick and esp in the case of one of them friendly .
I am no fan of this government and certainly not how they have handled covid but I personally can't complain about the testing.

Anyone afraid of going to a testing centre because they are at risk I can only give you my experience. I thought it was fine esp for the drive in type
You drive in a person comes to the front of your car with signs to phone a number .(it is their number. ) You chat on the phone they ask you to open the window an inch and they give you a kit (everyone wearing masks and keeping distance) you drive out of the way, do the test (which is "fun" with a 4 year old) all done in the car. Once done you put your hazard lights on and reverse the process.

But all that said if anyone is worried just do the postal service

I got randomly selected for a test as part of a nationwide survey last week (my dad has had that happen to him twice). The test kit you get sent kind of doubles as an IQ test. It's not super easy.... You have to assemble a box, there are 3 labels that have to go in specific places and at certain times and on top of that you have to book online the courier BEFORE you do the test to ensure you do the test the day it is collected.......

I don't tend to read manuals when I buy a TV or whatever so maybe I'm deficient in manual reading or the like. But I find it very hard to believe that Wayne and Waynetta Ashtray (Brits know what I mean everyone else Google it) would get as far as booking the courier, let alone take the test.

I'm sure it must be different at a drive in test centre though.

It's hard to slag off the government too hard, they are doing their best in very difficult times. Their best isn't good enough, but I doubt anyone would do all that much better. As for the Vaccine (OP), you shouldn't force people to have a vaccine. If someone is ill-equipped to assess risk and decides to take a risk they don't understand, that is down to them and Darwin.
 
+ adjuvants like aluminium (neurotoxin) and thimerosal

Adjuvants, buffers, preservatives, even artificial flavoring (in oral vaccines), but the concentrations and volumes of these ingredients are so low that issues are extremely rare.

There is more aluminum in the asprin I took this morning than in almost any single vaccine dose, and more mercury in the last tuna steak I had than in all the thimerosal (which is now uncommon) preserved vaccines I've ever been administered combined.
 
For anyone interested, there are several companies developing vaccines in competition.

The WHO doesn't approve vaccines (they are more of a think-tank); that comes from your country's regulatory agency such as the FDA or MHRA.

Finally with regard to risk, a vaccine isn't the same as a drug/medicine. A drug is something which has an active effect on your body and so has more potential for harm. A vaccine just presents an inert piece of a virus to your immune system so that it recognizes it quickly in future.
That's why I don't need one, my body is already immune.
 
What's wrong with people atm. A guy I know that is someone you'd think is intelligent normally (if you knew him) told me electric cars do just as much environment damage as normal cars because they accelerate harder and the particulates (from the tyres) are worse than diesel.

what!!

Post-truth was the Oxford English dictionary word of the year 2016.
 

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Can You Get a Flu Shot Now? Yes, and Doctors Say You Should
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What's wrong with people atm. A guy I know that is someone you'd think is intelligent normally (if you knew him) told me electric cars do just as much environment damage as normal cars because they accelerate harder and the particulates (from the tyres) are worse than diesel.

what!!
It's the ultimate socialism (haha). When everyone is an expert, no one is.
 
Ok, let's question this narrative.
How did it go in Sweden? It is an important question because Sweden has a good health service, and used a different strategy. So let's see if there's something here.


Oops.
Empirically, you are wrong. Quelle surprise.
If you were correct, then your neighbours would see that and copy you. Is that happening?



Nope.
Instead, Swedes are being ostracised as an infection risk.

Do you work in a hospital, or a morgue? How do you know how many are really sick or dying, if the "official figures are wrong"? And if your country is successful, why would they need to fudge the numbers?

To look bad? On purpose?

You think the entire global economy is diving, as part of a plan to get you to hide your face?
Why?
It surely cannot be so bad that it puts people out of work!

This is just more of the same old stuff. It can't withstand even casual scrutiny.
How about comparing to a control? Another European midsize country that did the opposite, like Czechoslovakia, that pushed masks as a national effort.


See for yourself.

Spoken like a true convert. Guessing from your tone - UK? - How about you send me a link to your "Official Figures". Really curious to see the data charts you are referencing. My guess is - you won't produce any. I am retired, but my wife is a nurse, so I am a tiny bit in touch to the situation in the Hospitals here.

Ok - Here is info directly from the CDC in Murica. I challenge anyone - find me data on COVID 19 deaths ALONE - not when included with the flu or Pneumonia! Show me the evidence. Quoting MSM is not evidence. Even the CDC can't produce a chart that shows deaths from ONLY COVID 19 without being tied to some other illness or health condition. Here is the link: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Since the CDC can't - why would anyone trust the numbers the MSM is quoting on their broadcasts?

Let's see what everyone comes up with.
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In Sweden, they are asking for social distancing to be used. They are also ring fencing the vulnerable, such as the elderly. As you state: Question the narrative. Half of the facts, paint a totally different picture.

As too the 'mask example'. That does not look like a class 2 medical mask. The simple rules for the use of masks are. It must seal, over the nose bridge and below the chin. If you can blow out a candle, wearing it, it is not good enough.

No one is social distancing here, asking is not FORCING. Ring fencing the vulnerable? What and Where is this supposedly happening here? Are you in Sweden? Please provide me a source for this, as I was unaware we had concentration camps rings going up

On the masks - I have seen so many different ones on news, videos, etc... folks even wearing bandannas that local authorities seem to be ok with in some places. I will concede to your argument that the mask pictured might not be a "class 2" mask. I think masks are silly unless you are working in health care or dangerous work environment. Going through life with a mask - I'll pass on that.
 
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