General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

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I get that you like to think of yourself as not being in the system whilst obviously being part of it and protected by it.

An inaccurate interpretation, to varying degrees, on both points.

On the bright side we both have the right to disagree because our respective countries allow us internet access and freedom of speech, within the defined rules our societies set for that obviously.

No force can mandate our agreement, and there are few places from which either of us would have significant difficulty accessing this forum. One does not need to be particularly computer literate to use TOR or an equivalent.

Your compliance does.

Which you are making enormous and oft incorrect assumptions about.
 
The rules and protections don't go together. It's an underhanded way of using state drivers licenses as de facto national ID cards, and it's probably responsible for the meager requirements for a drivers license that allow the roads to be filled with terrible drivers.
I am not a resident of the US and in some ways I do think it is years behind other countries .... But am no expert so feel free to disagree.

But out of curiosity I have 1 question for you. You mentioned that in the off chance you need to drive you can do so without risk of much punishment.

So let's say you do this and you have a blow out and as such accidentally run someone over and paralyse them.
In the UK at least without insurance you would be royally screwed and the rest of society would be forced to pick up your bill to attempt to compensate your victim. (Not that there is any compensation to such an injury)
Or are you saying it is possible to get insurance even without a driving licence? This seems unlikely to me.
 
This is getting repetitive.

I get that you like to think of yourself as not being in the system whilst obviously being part of it and protected by it. I just think you are wrong about that. On the bright side we both have the right to disagree because our respective countries allow us internet access and freedom of speech, within the defined rules our societies set for that obviously.

Doesn't change the fact that you have to follow societies rules to be tolerated and protected by it, which you've already told me you do. Your personal motivation for actually doing it or thoughts about the government don't really matter to them. Your compliance does.
Yes it's very true, we live with a framed freedom, it's a necessary evil to avoid anarchy.

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No force can mandate our agreement, and there are few places from which either of us would have significant difficulty accessing this forum. One does not need to be particularly computer literate to use TOR or an equivalent.
Indeed in many areas of the life, there are often workarounds that allow to gain a little extra freedom.

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An inaccurate interpretation, to varying degrees, on both points.

No force can mandate our agreement, and there are few places from which either of us would have significant difficulty accessing this forum. One does not need to be particularly computer literate to use TOR or an equivalent.

Which you are making enormous and oft incorrect assumptions about.

They don't need your agreement, they have your compliance already. They don't even need to take your opinions into account since you say you've never voted or registered to vote 🤷‍♀️.
 
Well things like privacy went out of the window for me years ago so I don't even try to hide my online shadow any more. I use Google and bought a Facebook owned oculus rift so my soul is already owned by the mega corporations.

Fortunately I don't have any extreme views that I need to worry about, and other than downloading the odd TV show I may not legally own I am unlikely to generate any interest from big brother and if someone really wants to take an interested in my online browsing history there is nothing there that will get me locked up (maybe some minor embarrassment about my guilty pleasures...... For instance (and don't tell anyone) back in the day I bought the woolpackers music single , <but shhhhhhh that is between us ;) >
 
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Indeed in many areas of the life, there are often workarounds that allow to gain a little extra freedom.

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There are a great many of these, but they shouldn't be required.

A government that encourages it's subjects to undermine it by imposing controls it's unwilling or unable to enforce causes the same sort of issues as a game (cough Elite: Dangerous cough) that tacitly allows bugs to be exploited. It legitimizes corruption and further exacerbates inequalities by allowing some groups to play by a better set of rules and protections than others.

They don't need your agreement, they have your compliance already.

Only if your standard of compliance is a tautology and the only things that can be done are what are allowed to be done. This is not the case in reality.

They don't even need to take your opinions into account since you say you've never voted or registered to vote 🤷‍♀️.

The idea that voting in a polarized two-party system that doesn't even present any meaningful choices could be more relevant than the myriad of other socioeconomic interactions that goes on, even at my modest socioeconomic level, is comical. Most influence isn't in the form of votes, and even in a functional democracy, which I have never seen, this would remain the case.

This is the naivety I was talking about...your constant assertion that world works as it ideally should. The idea that, even if the voting map wasn't polarized and or gerrymandered beyond recognition, that I've been presented with a meaningful choice. The idea that the forces of law and order didn't create the majority of the problems that are used to justify their pervasiveness (your mention of cartels--whose consumer base was largely created, and whose profit margins were greatly inflated, by The War on Drugs--is a prime example). The idea that international travel as a tourist (inherently limited to people with significant means) would somehow be more enlightening than domestic nomadism and actually living among different peoples. Your optimism around BLM and related protests having achieved meaningful progress when it's already clear that the status quo is overwhelmingly intact. Etc and so forth.

Not saying my own perspectives are the only, or always the least biased, ones possible, but the more we argue this topic, the less grounded in reality I think you are. Part of the fault has to be mine though, cause I'm clearly miscommunicating something given some of your responses (which have addressed points I never made, things I never implied, or conclusions I never came to).

A difficult one when it is fundamentally a political philosophic standpoint that will form your opinion right or wrong.

Even aside any moral or ethical considerations, it's impossible to separate politics from a discussion that talks about mandatory compliance with anything.

I'm frequently at a loss as to where the actual line is, because there is no aspect of real life that is untouched by political concerns.
 
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I don't often find myself in agreement with Stigbob but after watching his and Mr Morbad's exchange I have to come down on his side. Mr. Morbad's opinions just seem too contradictory and self serving for my taste.
 
If a vaccine exists, it will not be mandatory in France, according to an opinion dated July 9, issued by the CARE group, the Covid-10 Vaccine Committee and the Scientific Council. In this report, the experts believe that "compulsory vaccination is neither desirable nor possible".

Faced with "reluctance to vaccination of French", the group of experts fears a possible failure of the vaccination campaign, as in 2009-2010 against influenza, if citizens do not feel concerned and sufficiently informed.

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China has announced that it has been vaccinating high risk groups with experimental vaccines since July. Lucky them..
 
Many don’t get the flu shot.

There is big mistrust in front of the syringe.

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I've never had a flu shot, but that doesn't imply any mistrust of the vaccine or vaccinations.

Seasonal influenza is less contageous than SARS-CoV-2 and has a substantially lower risk of lasting complications. Influenza vaccines also have shaky effectiveness because of the number of viruses involved and rapid rate of mutation. For me it's largely been a simple matter of the costs outweighing the benefits. Before I had insurance, the 40-50 dollars I had to pay out of pocket couldn't be justified for something I was unlikely to get. I have insurance now, but that brings with it more privacy concerns and the only exposure I'm likely to have to either influenza or SARS-CoV-2 in the immediate future would likely be getting that flu shot. So, I probably won't get one this year, unless circumstances change.
 
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