General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

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Stigbob

Stigbob
Hell Razor5543 said:
Remember though that airliners don't pressurise the passenger cabins at sea level but typically around 10,000 feet. Because of this the cabin air is thinner and may give people with asthma (and other respiratory conditions) some breathing difficulties. Also, ever since it was no longer legal to smoke in airliners, the airlines don't filter the air in an aeroplane as much as they used to (the filters cost money, and the filtration equipment adds weight), which means (believe it or not) the air in the cabin is not as clean as before the smoking ban came into force.
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There's a rational argument that can be made against flying at all right now, me and Mrs Stigbob discussed it and stayed away from a hospitalized relative who is abroad. Not based on asthma just the chances of us popping along and exposing half the family. If I/we had asthma that would be another compelling reason for making exactly the same choice we already made.

The only question I have is why was the guy flying at all, checking the article he was on holiday flying back from Jersey a destination with cheap and regular ferries.

I've no sympathy at all for the utter fool.
 

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Stigbob said:
"I've no sympathy at all for the utter fool."

I don't think he is a fool. He believed he legally could use air transport without the need (in his case) for face coverings, and, indeed, the outbound flight was completed successfully without incident. The fool, in this case, was the pilot in enforcing a rule that, in the case of the passenger, should not have been applied.
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Stigbob

Stigbob
Hell Razor5543 said:
I don't think he is a fool. He believed he legally could use air transport without the need (in his case) for face coverings, and, indeed, the outbound flight was completed successfully without incident. The fool, in this case, was the pilot in enforcing a rule that, in the case of the passenger, should not have been applied.
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He made an utterly unnecessary air journey during a pandemic whilst not bothering to wear a face covering having not read up on it or believing some rubbish on facebook putting himself and everyone else at risk. The chances of him actually having severe asthma are very slim it's far more likely he printed some guff off the internet and lied to the crew about it. A genuine severe asthma sufferer would be better informed.

Planes are private property so the owners/operators rules apply, you follow them or you get out/get removed.
 

Leper Messiah

Leper Messiah
Hell Razor5543 said:
However, if a person has a genuine and legally recognised reason as to why they CANNOT wear a face covering they must not be victimised for this. If they have a legally acceptable document explaining WHY they are exempt the person they are presenting it to needs to be aware of THEIR own legal responsibilities. If, by forcing somebody with a severe respiratory condition to wear a face covering, they cause that person to have an adverse medical reaction, the person enforcing the 'rule' may well be liable to legal actions. Ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law, especially when the 'ignorant' person is trying to enforce the law.


If I were the person (in this case) being forced to wear a mask, and I had a medical reaction because of this, I would specifically sue the PILOT, and not the airline.
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This is actually a problem caused by the knobs not wearing masks, if the vast majority of people wore them people would be more willing to investigate why someone was not. But because so many do not most people will assume it's a halfwit.

Had to drive through Matlock the other day, LOADS of people, hundreds....saw about 7 wearing masks. they were going in shops, not keeping 2 metres apart....<scottish accent> WE'RE DOOMED!!
 

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos
Well worth noting that asthma comes on a wide spectrum, some experience on lots of difficulties on moderate exertion, some on mild exertion, some on no exertion. It doesn't mean that anyone prescribed a puffer is going to die if they have to wear a mask.

We're also in the ridiculous situation of people walking around with bits of paper that supposedly 'legally exempt' them from wearing a mask. Bits of paper, in the 21st century. It's no wonder business and public alike are suspicious.
 

lysan

lysan
XloubellXX said:
Hope you're not a bus driver or commercial pilot.

This is the problem with that attitude. If it was just you, then fair enough, but by taking a risk (and accepting it) you may well put others at risk who were trying to avoid it.
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But if someone already got the vaccine then they should be ok, why worry? if you really believe the vaccination will protect you, then it's the person opting out that take the risk not you?
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
BelieveIcanFly said:
www.spectator.co.uk

Former Supreme Court Justice: 'This is what a police state is like'

The former Supreme Court Justice Jonathan Sumption, QC, has denounced the police response to the coronavirus, saying the country is suffering ‘collective hysteria’. This is an edited transcript of his interview with BBC Radio 4’s World at One programme earlier today. Derbyshire police have...
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Meanwhile in the real world were he in a police state he wouldn't have a platform to say that on be allowed to say that or dare to say that 🤷‍♀️. He sounds like a grounded teenager having an overly dramatic tantrum.

Here's another article from the same publication saying that he's dangerously wrong.

www.spectator.co.uk

Jonathan Sumption is dangerously wrong about lockdown

Lord Sumption is one of Britain’s finest legal minds. As a former supreme court judge, he deserves our respect. But he is wrong when he says the lockdown is ‘incoherent’. Sumption argues that the decision to run the risk of catching coronavirus should be down to each person. ‘What I’m advocating...
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Hell Razor5543

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Leper Messiah said:
This is actually a problem caused by the knobs not wearing masks, if the vast majority of people wore them people would be more willing to investigate why someone was not. But because so many do not most people will assume it's a halfwit.

Had to drive through Matlock the other day, LOADS of people, hundreds....saw about 7 wearing masks. they were going in shops, not keeping 2 metres apart....<Scottish accent> WE'RE DOOMED!!
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One such common example are supermarkets. I went shopping on Tuesday, wearing my face coving as I approached the entrance, and I found EVERY member of staff I could see was flouting the legal requirement to wear face coverings. None of them was wearing any face covering at all. This is the worst example I have seen; normally I see shop staff incorrectly wearing face coverings (and, once, every member of staff at one shop was wearing their masks correctly).
 

Leper Messiah

Leper Messiah
Hell Razor5543 said:
One such common example are supermarkets. I went shopping on Tuesday, wearing my face coving as I approached the entrance, and I found EVERY member of staff I could see was flouting the legal requirement to wear face coverings. None of them was wearing any face covering at all. This is the worst example I have seen; normally I see shop staff incorrectly wearing face coverings (and, once, every member of staff at one shop was wearing their masks correctly).
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Blimey, I didn't think that was happening! Havn't been out shopping since early March! Thank god for home deliveries!!
 

Leper Messiah

Leper Messiah
XloubellXX said:
Well worth noting that asthma comes on a wide spectrum, some experience on lots of difficulties on moderate exertion, some on mild exertion, some on no exertion. It doesn't mean that anyone prescribed a puffer is going to die if they have to wear a mask.

We're also in the ridiculous situation of people walking around with bits of paper that supposedly 'legally exempt' them from wearing a mask. Bits of paper, in the 21st century. It's no wonder business and public alike are suspicious.
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Yup this is true, I have very mild asthma. Only need a one puff of clenil every night, havn't needed salbutamol for a loooong time. I still wear a mask.
 

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos

[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos
Hell Razor5543 said:
One such common example are supermarkets. I went shopping on Tuesday, wearing my face coving as I approached the entrance, and I found EVERY member of staff I could see was flouting the legal requirement to wear face coverings. None of them was wearing any face covering at all. This is the worst example I have seen; normally I see shop staff incorrectly wearing face coverings (and, once, every member of staff at one shop was wearing their masks correctly).
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Yeah I have to agree with this. I'm not sure what is going on. I'm certain management are failing, they should be insisting on staff wearing them. Of course, we don't know if they have an exemption but that many in one store (all stores) would seem unlikely.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
Hell Razor5543 said:
One such common example are supermarkets. I went shopping on Tuesday, wearing my face coving as I approached the entrance, and I found EVERY member of staff I could see was flouting the legal requirement to wear face coverings. None of them was wearing any face covering at all. This is the worst example I have seen; normally I see shop staff incorrectly wearing face coverings (and, once, every member of staff at one shop was wearing their masks correctly).
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No legal requirement for the staff as masks are not compulsory for them.

Obviously an incredibly stupid, shortsighted, dangerous, baffling and inconsistent way to write the rules but that's just how the UK is now.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
[VR] Mad Mike said:
The thing is I think the very fact that this really exciting vaccine has been put on hold because ONE person is ill and even that may not be linked to the vaccine is proof that safety for those taking the vaccine IS paramount.

If it really was a case of vaccine out at all costs this could have been swept under the rug
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Yes, the western laboratories said they would not compromise on the quality of the vaccine.

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[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
Leper Messiah said:
Blimey, I didn't think that was happening! Havn't been out shopping since early March! Thank god for home deliveries!!
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I could be wrong but I don't think staff are forced to wear them (the logic being it's more of a discomfort to wear the think for 8 hrs than it is to expect people to wear for 40 mins.
That said I did actually have to go in to sainsburys for the 1st time since lockdown last week and staff were wearing them.

School drop off is another one. The school just around the corner had to close as 8 staff were infected. My lads school has signs up all over to wear masks at pick up and drop off even if outside.., a huge number just ignore it

Edit stigbob beat me to it.
 
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