General / Off-Topic The Covid vaccine must be mandatory ?

[StanleyDunkan]

 

[Stigbob]

06 April 2021 - There is no U.S. Food and Drug Approved ( FDA ) approved vaccine to prevent COVID - 19 - from fda.gov site.

Vaccine takes decades to be approved, because you know, you need to study the effect of it over longer than few month period of time.

China showed us, how to get ride of Covid-19 in few month with out the Vaccines - so why are we having this Fast-food Vaccine? Because it's money, and it's a lot of money. If they wanted to save people, they would have gone Chinese way world wide, and this pandemic would have been over last Summer.

This are all facts.

Common sense tells you - Hundreds of millions people have been vaccinated - so it's safe. And it is, for a short periode of time for majority of people. But you shouldn't forget that thousands of people also died from this Vaccine almost instantly ( with in few days, weeks of taking it), but than there is also Common sense that tells you, it saved much more people than killed ( even thou it would be hard to see, since even Fully Vaccinated people also died from Covid in Israel) - so it should be used.

I don't think there is a Vaccine that exist today that was approved in a space of less than a year, but than a Pandemic like this happes once every 100-200 years. This is a very unique event. Extrodinharry measure should be taken like they did with Vaccine approval, but the problem is, Vaccine wasn't the only way out of this Pandemic.
So it's natural to be sceptical in situations like this, specially if you followed the events in China, and saw zero response or preparations in those crucial Januray and February months that could have stopped this Virus turning in to Pandemic. ( Taiwan was the exception, they reacted and responded faster than the China did, but again nobody took notice of this).

So calling people Anti-vaxxers is very premature. Fact tells us that Vaccines takes decades to be tested and approved. Fact tells us that FDA didn't approved any Vaccines against Covid 19 yet. So it up to people whether they want or not to take this Vaccine, because at the end of the day, if you die or get sever complications from it, Vaccine companies are not responsible for it. You take it at your own risk.

The vaccine development spending, manpower, manufacturing capacity and the hundreds of thousands of volunteers for testing are unprecedented in peacetime here in the UK.

There's a simple reason we make huge scientific advances in wartime. It's the resources we throw at it we've approached the pandemic the same way, belatedly unfortunately.

I've recently been reading we may have a malaria vaccine as a side effect of the covid efforts.

 

[ianw]

China showed us, how to get ride of Covid-19 in few month with out the Vaccines - so why are we having this Fast-food Vaccine? Because it's money, and it's a lot of money. If they wanted to save people, they would have gone Chinese way world wide, and this pandemic would have been over last Summer.

So why are China - and the other "covid free countries" - vaccinating now then if they've got rid of it?

 

[Zetta]

06 April 2021 - There is no U.S. Food and Drug Approved ( FDA ) approved vaccine to prevent COVID - 19 - from fda.gov site.

Vaccine takes decades to be approved, because you know, you need to study the effect of it over longer than few month period of time.

China showed us, how to get ride of Covid-19 in few month with out the Vaccines - so why are we having this Fast-food Vaccine? Because it's money, and it's a lot of money. If they wanted to save people, they would have gone Chinese way world wide, and this pandemic would have been over last Summer.

This are all facts.

Common sense tells you - Hundreds of millions people have been vaccinated - so it's safe. And it is, for a short periode of time for majority of people. But you shouldn't forget that thousands of people also died from this Vaccine almost instantly ( with in few days, weeks of taking it), but than there is also Common sense that tells you, it saved much more people than killed ( even thou it would be hard to see, since even Fully Vaccinated people also died from Covid in Israel) - so it should be used.

I don't think there is a Vaccine that exist today that was approved in a space of less than a year, but than a Pandemic like this happes once every 100-200 years. This is a very unique event. Extrodinharry measure should be taken like they did with Vaccine approval, but the problem is, Vaccine wasn't the only way out of this Pandemic.
So it's natural to be sceptical in situations like this, specially if you followed the events in China, and saw zero response or preparations in those crucial Januray and February months that could have stopped this Virus turning in to Pandemic. ( Taiwan was the exception, they reacted and responded faster than the China did, but again nobody took notice of this).

So calling people Anti-vaxxers is very premature. Fact tells us that Vaccines takes decades to be tested and approved. Fact tells us that FDA didn't approved any Vaccines against Covid 19 yet. So it up to people whether they want or not to take this Vaccine, because at the end of the day, if you die or get sever complications from it, Vaccine companies are not responsible for it. You take it at your own risk.

China got called horrendously draconian when they implemented their fast response. Currently we have people in the western world crying salty tears over not being able to get a haircut, having to wear a mask and conducting basic social distancing, imagine the meltdown if western governments were doing what China did/do. Muh liberty, muh personal freedumb etc

I would like to see citation that thousands have died within a few days of receiving the vaccine, and perhaps more importantly evidence that the deaths are directly related to the vaccine rather than happenstance.

Covid-19 vaccines haven’t caused 460 deaths - Full Fact

Misleading claims about vaccine deaths are a misreporting of data from the Yellow Card scheme.

fullfact.org

Some scepticism is essential, no one should argue against that but most of these people are sceptical of the virus, sceptical of masks, sceptical of disinfectant, sceptical of vaccines, sceptical of scientists, sceptical of reportings etc. It takes what should be a healthy dose of scepticism and turns it into a completely unhealthy dose, which is then bordering on conspiracy levels of scepticism.

Calling people anti-vaxxers is not at all premature. If people are spreading anti-vaxx style misinformation or repeating typical anti-vaxx arguments then they're going to get called an anti-vaxxer. There's a simple way to avoid being labelled an anti-vaxxer after all If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

 

[StanleyDunkan]

 

[Sunyavadin]

So why are China - and the other "covid free countries" - vaccinating now then if they've got rid of it?

To prevent it coming back when people travel there from countries with it. So they can begin lifting restrictions once their population is protected. That's literally how vaccines work. They make it safe for uninfected people to once more mingle with infected people.

"Belt and road" doesn't work well as an infrastructure and economic project if you have to block all the roads...

 

[Arry]

The vaccine development spending, manpower, manufacturing capacity and the hundreds of thousands of volunteers for testing are unprecedented in peacetime here in the UK.

There's a simple reason we make huge scientific advances in wartime. It's the resources we throw at it we've approached the pandemic the same way, belatedly unfortunately.

I've recently been reading we may have a malaria vaccine as a side effect of the covid efforts.

There are simple 'reasons' why advances are made during wars etc.. One being: Many of the rules, no longer apply. Like it or not. Covid 19 Vaccines, have been approved for 'emergency use' only. The phase 3 testing process (the study and results on long term effects, which would normally take up to 3 years) has been done, in the public domain.

 

[Arry]

So why are China - and the other "covid free countries" - vaccinating now then if they've got rid of it?

Err.... They did not have a vaccine, at the time, they followed the pandemic play book, at the start of this situation, so they went down the test and lockdown route. Which, shock, horror, worked.

 

[ianw]

To prevent it coming back when people travel there from countries with it. So they can begin lifting restrictions once their population is protected. That's literally how vaccines work. They make it safe for uninfected people to once more mingle with infected people.

"Belt and road" doesn't work well as an infrastructure and economic project if you have to block all the roads..

Yes - I understand this - it was rhetorical question - I was trying to illustrate to our new thread friend that once this thing got out vaccines were/are the only way out of it long term regardless of how well you can temporarily suppress the virus.

Err.... They did not have a vaccine, at the time, they followed the pandemic play, at the start of this situation, so they went down the test and lockdown route. Which, shock, horror, worked.

Yes - I also understand this - it was rhetorical question.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Is there a full moon or something?

Posts been getting a bit more weird than usual these last few days..

Side effects for some without doubt.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Do you test all the food and drink you ingest? Or do you put an element of trust in the manufacturers and distributors of those products?

Assuming you do, why do you chose to apportion the trust you have in the way that you do?

When a food product kills, it is taken off the market.

 

[Cotic]

Side effects for some without doubt.

Yes, drinking bleach will do that no doubt.

 

[Arry]

Yes - I understand this - it was rhetorical question - I was trying to illustrate to our new thread friend that once this thing got out vaccines were/are the only way out of it long term regardless of how well you can temporarily suppress the virus.



Yes - I also understand this - it was rhetorical question.

True: A viable vaccine, in the only way forward and I would have it, if I could.

I am just getting sick of the condemnation towards anyone, having doubts, or raising valid questions. Here they are being ridiculed, condemned and branded as anti-vaxers and idiots, by those, who will not take maybe, as an answer.

 

[Cotic]

How can you call people Anti-vaxxer, if even FDA didn't apporved any Vaccines yet. Is FDA Anti-vaxxers too?
No, it's pre-mature. Once next Autum-Winter comes, and there will be no 4th or 5th Wave - than we can conclude that Vaccine works. Until than reserv your name calling for few more month. After all this isn't the usual Vaccine so sceptisim is in order.

Ok, this is just silly now.

The CDC and FDA lifted the pause on J&J vaccince. https://arstechnica.com/science/202...o-lift-jj-pause-with-new-warning-about-clots/

The US has issued over 200 million doses so there is clearly approval for vaccinations among the government and the population.

 

[ianw]

True: A viable vaccine, in the only way forward and I would have it, if I could.

I am just getting sick of the condemnation towards anyone, having doubts, or raising valid questions. Here they are being ridiculed, condemned and branded as anti-vaxers and idiots, by those, who will not take maybe, as an answer.

Personally I don't have a problem with anyone having doubts especially with all the FUD being spread around either deliberately or unthinkingly repeated.

But when some starts talking about some "they" who are somehow in cahoots with "Big Pharma" (that's a dumb name for a villain ) who are somehow controlling the world's governments forcing them to go full pandemic - why? because money DURRRR (maybe "they" is the worlds governments - imagine the Zoom meeting to set that up!)

Then I have a problem.

 

[Stigbob]

There are simple 'reasons' why advances are made during wars etc.. One being: Many of the rules, no longer apply. Like it or not. Covid 19 Vaccines, have been approved for 'emergency use' only. The phase 3 testing process (the study and results on long term effects, which would normally take up to 3 years) has been done, in the public domain.

You need to read up on how they actually went about testing it. There are people in the thread who actually took part.

I was too late to volunteer they already had the forty thousand they needed locally by the time I logged in.

 

[Stigbob]

When a food product kills, it is taken off the market.

Potatoes contain solanine the same toxin you get in deadly nightshade.

 

[Stigbob]

True: A viable vaccine, in the only way forward and I would have it, if I could.

I am just getting sick of the condemnation towards anyone, having doubts, or raising valid questions. Here they are being ridiculed, condemned and branded as anti-vaxers and idiots, by those, who will not take maybe, as an answer.

"It's experimental" isn't a valid question, it's a demonstration of a near total lack of knowledge and one of the current most popular conspiracies the anti-vaxxers are deliberately pushing.

 

[Arry]

You need to read up on how they actually went about testing it. There are people in the thread who actually took part.

I was too late to volunteer they already had the forty thousand they needed locally by the time I logged in.

I don't need to read any of the P.R. you have to quote. The maths is simple: There has not been enough time, even since the start of the Covid 19 pandemic, to complete the established and recognised phase 3 testing procedures, of antiviral vaccines. The approval for 'emergency use' is all we have in the U.K. and most of the world and phase 3 is still ongoing. Stop treating me like I am some kind of anti-vaxer muppet.

 

[Arry]

"It's experimental" isn't a valid question, it's a demonstration of a near total lack of knowledge and one of the current most popular conspiracies the anti-vaxxers are deliberately pushing.

Again. You are just spouting to attempt to make me look like an anti-vaxer/conspiracy idiot.