FSD puts you relative to them - your and their shared instance travels at 0.1c, but you move under 500 m/s relative to them.
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The definitive guide to the Generation Ships (Elite Lore)
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In this case I believe it would be a derivative work from the book, not the movie since that is an adaptation of the book and he would make a different adaptation. In any case, lawyer needed
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Huh, this indeed opens an interesting question: what exactly is the FDS relativistic reference frame at re-entry?
Wow, great write up on this, since Michael's dev post, I have been intrigued by the Generation Ships, and what lies ahead with the stories of "the missing". I'll be sure to check out Schism too.
You travel relative to the instance. In the nav panel (left, first tab) the blue triangle indicates the body your speed is relative to.
Stations orbit planets at thousands of m/s, planets orbit stars etc, but when you drop into the stations instance it doesn't zoom off, you travel relative to it.
At relativistic speeds the same applies, with the caveat of time dilation compared to the rest of the universe. In E
light speed is modelled as infinite for simplicity, so the time dilation doesn't actually apply, but the rest does You travel relative to the instance. In the nav panel (left, first tab) the blue triangle indicates the body your speed is relative to.
Stations orbit planets at thousands of m/s, planets orbit stars etc, but when you drop into the stations instance it doesn't zoom off, you travel relative to it.
At relativistic speeds the same applies, with the caveat of time dilation compared to the rest of the universe. In E
Ok so the reference frame is either the nearest body or the main star, this makes sense. Now we have a practical problem - if we drop into normal space at relativistic speed, in what is now our reference we will see the rest of the system whizzing around us at relativistic speed. That would be hard to model, so I suspect we either wil not be able to do that or will only encounter those ships at the end of their braking.
Thanks Drew!!
According to your facts (start 2097 - now 3302 [I skipped ahead to next year.] and a speed of 0.6c) the generation ships should be 722.5 ly away from Sol. That's really not very far.
I'm intrigued if "The Missing" will be something for short range explorers then. I'd love to find something out in the distant black, but if you stick with the time and speed given by the lore, it's impossible.
According to your facts (start 2097 - now 3302 [I skipped ahead to next year.] and a speed of 0.6c) the generation ships should be 722.5 ly away from Sol. That's really not very far.
I'm intrigued if "The Missing" will be something for short range explorers then. I'd love to find something out in the distant black, but if you stick with the time and speed given by the lore, it's impossible.
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Umm... 0.6 * 1000 is a bit more than 72, right? Even if the acceleration phase took a year or two...
1c = 299792458 m/s
0.6c = 179875474.8 m/s
1ly = 9.4607304725808E+015 m
=> you travel ~1.6678 years for 1 ly
=> in 1205 years you travel ~722.5 ly
even less if you consider a lenghty accelleration
0.6c = 179875474.8 m/s
1ly = 9.4607304725808E+015 m
=> you travel ~1.6678 years for 1 ly
=> in 1205 years you travel ~722.5 ly
even less if you consider a lenghty accelleration
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According to the report the Mayflower did at least one stop at Tau Ceti, so probably much less.
And if you consider that generation ships were no longer sent out since 2500, they should be in a ring between 480 and 722 lightyears around Sol.
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LOLWUT?
By that reasoning you travel 10 years for 1Ly at 1c
On a more serious note, looks like there's a missplacement of the decimal point somewhere in your calculations.
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You are correct... I found the missing 0 ...
the ring is 481ly to 723 ly
the ring is 481ly to 723 ly
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Suddenly the gameplay possibilities begin to look interesting.
^^ indeed!!
(fixed typos in the above posts)
(fixed typos in the above posts)
Honestly I think what we will experience from this particular storyline is locating remnants of these crashed ships and maybe if we are lucky descendants of the ship's inhabitants, that is... if they didn't meet (or get captured by) an alien race which obviously opens up a huge pile of possibilities as to what happened next.
The reason why my outlook is not very rosy is because of the speed that these ships were/are traveling. If you played extensively the two prequels to ED you'd know the strife that was trying to fly a starship in Newtonian ways and these behemoths are traveling upwards of .6C? How would you ever catch them? In supercruise you can't because you're phased out of normal space so you couldn't see them. In normal space if you could drop in they'd blow right past you like a freight train traveling over half the speed of light which should be pretty unsettling. This is why I think ultimately the generation ships were a futile attempt because it would take them years to stop providing they found the proper place to do so. (Again referring to FE2) if they didn't know where they were going it would take them a couple of generations just to turn around to get back to their target planet.
Which leaves us most likely with either wrecks (the probable find), settlers (the unlikely scenario), or something else entirely (the possible and certainly exciting scenario).
The reason why my outlook is not very rosy is because of the speed that these ships were/are traveling. If you played extensively the two prequels to ED you'd know the strife that was trying to fly a starship in Newtonian ways and these behemoths are traveling upwards of .6C? How would you ever catch them? In supercruise you can't because you're phased out of normal space so you couldn't see them. In normal space if you could drop in they'd blow right past you like a freight train traveling over half the speed of light which should be pretty unsettling. This is why I think ultimately the generation ships were a futile attempt because it would take them years to stop providing they found the proper place to do so. (Again referring to FE2) if they didn't know where they were going it would take them a couple of generations just to turn around to get back to their target planet.
Which leaves us most likely with either wrecks (the probable find), settlers (the unlikely scenario), or something else entirely (the possible and certainly exciting scenario).
Yes I see what you mean. If you were in the instance for any significant length of time (assuming an in-system USS type thing) you would expect the local system to move against the background skybox, albeit still almost imperceptibly at 0.1-0.6c.
I think the planets & other assets already continue to move when you are in normal space (eg sitting on an outpost dock watching the sun rise) so the required effects are all in the game, it would just be exaggerated.
I have to say I like where this is going
I think this the furthest they can be. Bare in mind these ships are enormous, probably on the scale of ED stations. They will have very poor acceleration based on newtonian physics and will have to slow down at the halfway point.
I'm away from desk and can't do the math now, but don't assume much more than a small fraction of a g in acceleration.
Cheers,
Drew.
You've got a point there.
I think interception should happen in interstellar space, negating the need to model relativistic object behaviour in star system. You'd need some special equipment to locate one and lock your nav system to it (or maybe a mission to trigger the lock). FSD takes care of the rest - not less plausible than the possibility to hover a few (thousand) km 'above' a black hole and to leave at will.
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