The devs have we done it upside down?!?!

[VR Lucian Arkright]

Complaining is not being angry. It is possible to criticise a product without calling the people that make it idiots, and a post or review that actually raises valid issues is vastly more effective than simply saying "It's Cancer".


Anyway, I'm going to bow out of this discussion now, as I don't think it's going to achieve anything useful.

 

[WeComeInPeace]

The graphical changes ran so poorly, that they were forced to drop graphics to what you see so that it could be run on less than a 3090ti.

Absolute bait and switch, and FD lied through their teeth.

"In game footage . . . similar performance to EDH"

The knights will cry slander, but everyone knows it's true. FD boldly lied to everyone.

This! ^

 

[Zinegata]

Complaining is not being angry. It is possible to criticise a product without calling the people that make it idiots, and a post or review that actually raises valid issues is vastly more effective than simply saying "It's Cancer".


Anyway, I'm going to bow out of this discussion now, as I don't think it's going to achieve anything useful.

But that's not what's happening here. Instead complaints are being framed as anger to dismiss it.

Seriously - the majority of threads in the front page are simply people pointing out problems. There are few grandstanding speeches. There are threads with drama and discussions like these, but they involve like the same few people. It's not the majority of players.

Again, the only people who actually promote that kind of thinking is corporate marketing, because they benefit from the dismissal of valid complaints. That's why they've pushed this idea that complaints = angry, immature, and silly for years.

In reality, most complaints are well-reasoned and valid. Dismissing them as "angry" is just enabling corporations to take advantage of customers. Players instead need to realize that their complaints are not only valid, but must be stated. Otherwise they are never going to be heard and the company can just carry on pretending nothing is wrong.

 

[juanopen4]

I’ve got no idea what the sale figures are for Odyssey, but 2,000 is a tiny fraction of the approx 1/2 million active players of ED.

Ranting off on the forum will have no effect. Email them, take consumer advice, take them to court even if you think that you have a case.

But forum ranting has a long history of achieving absolutely nothing! - Other than making the ranter even more angry.

-First, I don't think there are 500.000 active players, it may be that there are half a million accounts, it is not the same as players ... I would say that there are only a few thousand active players, you just have to look at the community goals .. Okay, not everyone plays them and half is in a colony, ok, not even challenging that they reach half a million ...

-The second I have read many times, but you know that what you call whining, spite and bad reviews trolls? made daddy Braven come out of the cave. I think they have had a good and justified effect, don't you think?
I mean, when has David been forced to go out and ask for forgiveness?I think the complaints are justified this time, and they know it.

You should read the steam reviews and since there are people who put the launch on the ground, they still give positive to the review, that is helping / saving them in steam.
And by the way, there are currently about 300,000 cyberpunk reviews on steam, 75 percent positive today ... 13 and a half million copies have been sold, so I think they are good statistics to understand trends, positive or negative, rather than this forum.
Sorry, but I think this time the "jilted" seem the others, denying the evidence.

 

[Red Anders]

My favourite thing about the internet is the number of people willing to tell me what I think. I sometimes wonder how I made it through the first 50 years of my life without their sage counsel.

 

[Lord Megadrive]

It's a blatant scam, since they procured pre-orders and sales through deliberately FALSE advertising.

So where is the false advertising? They stated you can land on tenuous atmospheres? You can. You can walk around areas of a space station? You can.
I get it, the dlc isn’t what YOU wanted in your head. It’s ok, I wouldn’t call it revolutionary myself but it’s suffering from the usual release malaise (which tbh they should’ve put it back - but the same people moaning about it being buggy etc are the very same that would be up in arms for it being delayed)
In my opinion it could have done with being in the oven for another 6 months or so, it needed another wave of public testing with all the planetary tech implemented so they could stress test a bit more. But lying? Nah. I would suggest you take a deep breath and just calm down a bit because unless you can make a dossier stating where they’ve lied (and make it waterproof) you’re on dodgy ground!

 

[juanopen4]

My favourite thing about the internet is the number of people willing to tell me what I think. I sometimes wonder how I made it through the first 50 years of my life without their sage counsel.

Internet? dude, advertising is implicit in capitalism/our lives since before you were born ... should I not trust a group of people who say something is wrong, but should I believe a guy who tells me that I will feel like Neil Armstrong? LOL.
You can see who's in trouble.
I was going to buy the game myself and the forum was the first site I visited, and then steam.
Well, thanks to them I saved myself a weekend of frustration.
I think that advertising, and more coming from the clients themselves and not from the brand itself, is a good guide nowadays, nobody is going to tell you what you should think, they are opinions and advice, or you take them or leave them, the only difference is that customers do not charge for giving you an opinion,you have a thought that is too weak or dramatic.

 

[juanopen4]

So where is the false advertising? They stated you can land on tenuous atmospheres? You can. You can walk around areas of a space station? You can.
I get it, the dlc isn’t what YOU wanted in your head. It’s ok, I wouldn’t call it revolutionary myself but it’s suffering from the usual release malaise (which tbh they should’ve put it back - but the same people moaning about it being buggy etc are the very same that would be up in arms for it being delayed)
In my opinion it could have done with being in the oven for another 6 months or so, it needed another wave of public testing with all the planetary tech implemented so they could stress test a bit more. But lying? Nah. I would suggest you take a deep breath and just calm down a bit because unless you can make a dossier stating where they’ve lied (and make it waterproof) you’re on dodgy ground!

easy, on the same steam page, there are images that do not correspond to reality

 

[juanopen4]

I think you need to polish up on your marketing law.

show same picture please



then pretend you are someone new and buy game and find current state (i can't even login horizons)

 

[Rat Catcher]

I understand your frustration, but pre-alpha screenshots, or in game footage at the beyond Ultra settings, that I can’t remember the name of, buried in one of the graphics sub-settings is unlikely to hold up in court as false advertising.

Ultra for Capture is the setting you are talking about.
With everything else wound up to max settings it looks amazing, but isn't the 'ideal' setting for play, it clobbers the frame rate somewhat.

Edit: spelling

 

[juanopen4]

I understand your frustration, but pre-alpha screenshots, or in game footage at the beyond Ultra settings, that I can’t remember the name of, buried in one of the graphics sub-settings is unlikely to hold up in court as false advertising.

As someone who’s studied Maritime Law, not Marketing Law, I may be wrong. And I encourage anyone who thinks they have a case to pursue it rather than make accusations on a forum.

Just because you don't have enough power to take a company to court doesn't mean it doesn't have some truth.
I assure you that there are people in my country, and in yours, whom you will not be able to sue if you do not have a whole law firm supporting you.
Is advertising misleading? Yes
Can they be sued? Possibly not, not a high-profile game anyway, users can get a refund and that's all,...challenging users to sue frontier is ridiculous ... obviously not what the OP is proposing.Who is really frustrated?

Now you call me frustrated that I didn't even buy the game? ,guys ,your way of proceeding and your passive -aggressiveness is funny and childish at the same time,don't project your crap onto others.

 

[juanopen4]

Then why are you pointing out that you can’t log into Horizons? I’d find that frustrating myself.

i read it, lol ,I have not entered for 2 years and nothing makes me want to enter again.... my idea was to buy oddyssey

"You’re claiming it’s false advertising, that’s a legal thing. You can sue them in any court where the game is sold. Most legal systems have some sort of no-win-no-fee and class action to help consumers."


And I already answered you that the most you will get will be a refund, which is fair,what is your point?
Do you want me to report a game to get me a millionaire profit or something like that? LOL, you get a little out of hand.
A refund is already a claim or complaint won, enlightened.

 

[juanopen4]

I don’t get why you’re here if you don’t even play the game. Other than to talk out of your backside, but who am I to judge how you get your kicks?

something tells me, I don't know what, that you are here for the same reason.

or are you really playing this great dlc without cuts or crashes?

 

[knowles2]

There is no Class Action lawsuite ability in the UK, never mind

There is now, it very very new through and only the first few cases are making there way through the court system.

 

[knowles2]

What I want to know is why so many users here are so resistant to the idea that maybe Odyssey released broken. Why do so many of you go to such lengths to defend FDev for this?

I don't see anyone denying that some parts of Odyssey is broken. What they are saying is give Frontier time to fix it. Some say that they have found stuff that closely matches the trailer. I believe in some cases Frontier change stuff because people were moaning about other things, like the SRV being undrivable in Alpha, they should have change the SRV not the environment in my opinion but then again I think they did. Alpha 1 came with a new SRV driving characteristics and people moaned about that.

 

[knowles2]

Then why are you pointing out that you can’t log into Horizons? I’d find that frustrating myself.



You’re claiming it’s false advertising, that’s a legal thing. You can sue them in any court where the game is sold. Most legal systems have some sort of no-win-no-fee and class action to help consumers.

If you really thought it was false advertising you’d do something about to stop companies doing it to others.

Instead you’d rather come on the forum and make, presumably, false allegations.

It actually very very simple to file a complaint with the Advertising standard Authority I just never been enough of a Karen to do so, especially not to my fellow developers.

 

[knowles2]

Pretty sure the term “Karen” originated from people coming on to social media to complain about things...

Pretty sure it originate from a Karen who called the police on a black person walking their dog in a park. It has since turn into a meme about people who moan about minor inconveniences. I might be wrong through.

 

[Rami77]

show same picture please



then pretend you are someone new and buy game and find current state (i can't even login horizons)

Well, i cant show you pictures like these... hell, how should i do this? Do you believe that this kind of planets (wich absolutly exist) are ALWAYS looking the same regardless how the sun is iluminate this planet/moon?

But i can absolutly say to you that all assets and effects seen in this picture are there, maybe they look even better now.

You have to understand that Frontier OF COURSE kinda "cherrypick" if they release such material, of COURSE they do.

You WIILL find such places in odyssey, thats for sure. With time and patience. But dont expect every planet is looking like this. This would be pretty dumb, right?

 

[rOmiLaYu]

I move that "class action lawsuit" becomes the new "open letter." Any seconds?

 

[zombieapocalypse]

I move that "class action lawsuit" becomes the new "open letter." Any seconds?

Gamers talk a good fight, but they're also very fickle and quickly move on to the next outrage. Got to love all the armchair lawyers though.

If I remember rightly, there was a class-action lawsuit against Aliens: Colonial Marines and they seemed to have a strongish case for false advertising, but even that wasn't particularly successful. I think it just fizzled out after Gearbox were dropped from the suit and the class-action status was also dropped.