There is no griefing in this game, only sad people stepping on other people's sandcastle because they got bored of theirs.
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The Difference Between PvP and "Griefing"
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WorldsGreatestForumDad
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I do think you should be able to block someone. Especially if there is harassment.
Lets pretend for a moment that POWERPLAY is only available in OPEN MODE. I know crazy right?
Now if people block their opponents they still are essentially doing what they are doing now within their private group.
However, I do think there should be missions attached to each mode. And you can pick up a open mission and turn it in, in private mode. you should be locked to said mode to defeat the work arounds.
I see a huge issue with blocking in the future. And I also see the reason to do so. And I think the only blocking you see should be through text chat. As people already have the option to wash their hands and switch modes.
Just thinking ahead about this a little. Soon or later some changes to the BGS will be made. Its inevitable. And if some of those changes did go through. I can see this being a problem. Right now though. Not a big deal. The person blocking cause they get killed in an one off, will probably combat log anyways. So we wont really miss them
The person blocking cause they get killed in an one off, will probably combat log anyways. So we wont really miss them
Every CMDR we lose to private/solo I will miss as it means a less populated Open.
With Karma coming in 2.4 we will see less combat logs and as a result we will see less CMDRs being lost to private/solo.
You will however still have idiots who only want to spoil other peoples Open experience in which case the block feature still has a purpose.
Lets make Open great again!
You can block anyone, in fact Sandro Sammarco the games lead designer advises players do it if they get griefed : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ners-advice-on-dealing-with-griefing-(part-2)
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Yeah but you shouldnt block every bad guy just cause they shoot at you. Thats not making open great again. Thats making open another private group by process of elimination. You wont see them anyways. No difference in losing them to a block, over losing them to solo and private.
Wing of four. Big. Cutters, I think. All four were firing.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Yes I am aware. Why would someone feel griefed if they knowing click open and understand the difference between mobius and open is the fact that you can shoot at each other?
If the person feels griefed. Its because they did it to theirself knowing there are other people in this game with Lasers and Multicannons.
Thats like running a red light knowing you could get a ticket. Then complaining about it when you have to pay the fine. People know what can happen and yet, here we are. People still complaining.
Accept in this case. People get to block the redlight. It doesn't exist. The rules no longer apply to them. Blocking should only be in the form of communication. Not a whole ship. Especially when you can switch game modes fly away and go back to open if you wish.
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Well... there's little to be done about that one unless you're a small silent running ship or is built to tank.
But with Cutters you usually want to FAO immediately and boost past them after submitting to make them waste time turning their bulky selves if you are trying to run.
Personally I block cheats and station griefers, no-one else.
Why on earth should anyone be expected to play a game with people they don't want to ?.
I'll see them as I dont grief newbies or unwanted. Open being active and the majority of CMDRs being happy in Open is whats important.
Replying to the title, not the post, my self-applied rules when in "PvP mode" is that I only go after WANTED and ENEMY players. I don't mess with anyone else.
Now I do often use the station as a shield, and the game allows me to do so (albeit at the cost of fines). The other night the station I was at was in the shadow of the planet, thus dark, so I parked my humble Eagle very close in the shadow of the station (like meters away from the name plate). When enemies of her majesty the Emperor came in to land, I'd hit them with my humble fixed pulse lasers. I'm pretty sure at least a few thought the station itself was firing on them, based on their reaction. It was fun / funny. Now I suppose I was causing them "grief", but as you can imagine I didn't destroy a single one. I did take one Python's shields down and destroyed 20% of his hull before he docked - I wasn't expecting that in my Eagle..
Oh wait, I take it back - a couple enemies / wanted players did open fire on me, but since they were the enemy / criminal on my home turf, the station and police did my work for me as soon as they fell for my trap. Ultimately that's on them for joining PowerPlay without understanding the basic rules of it.
Then of course there's those who tried to ram me - the answer for station-huggers I suppose. This is why I fly an Eagle when playing this particular tactic.
Speaking of tactics - if what I was doing is considered bad form, let me know and I'll stop.
Now I do often use the station as a shield, and the game allows me to do so (albeit at the cost of fines). The other night the station I was at was in the shadow of the planet, thus dark, so I parked my humble Eagle very close in the shadow of the station (like meters away from the name plate). When enemies of her majesty the Emperor came in to land, I'd hit them with my humble fixed pulse lasers. I'm pretty sure at least a few thought the station itself was firing on them, based on their reaction. It was fun / funny. Now I suppose I was causing them "grief", but as you can imagine I didn't destroy a single one. I did take one Python's shields down and destroyed 20% of his hull before he docked - I wasn't expecting that in my Eagle..
Oh wait, I take it back - a couple enemies / wanted players did open fire on me, but since they were the enemy / criminal on my home turf, the station and police did my work for me as soon as they fell for my trap. Ultimately that's on them for joining PowerPlay without understanding the basic rules of it.
Then of course there's those who tried to ram me - the answer for station-huggers I suppose. This is why I fly an Eagle when playing this particular tactic.
Speaking of tactics - if what I was doing is considered bad form, let me know and I'll stop.
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Careful there, nondiscriminatory application of utilitarianism has its flaws. The diminishing of a minority merely means the emergence of another until the population shrinks to nothing.
You seem to be comparing doing something illegal, and being issued with a penalty as a result, with doing something legal and facing a punishment while the person who does something illegal receives no punishment.
That's about as assbackwards as it gets. [blah]
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Ah perfect. I was hoping for this response. Tell that to the next armchair psychologist that tells me blowing someone up in this game is not morally acceptable and that I should "seek help".
Ya'll like to have your cake and eat it too. Very biased indeed.
Although I note that you utterly failed to address it.
Take your time. Use both sides of the paper if you need to.
I made no reference, whatsoever, to the mental state of anybody or made any moral judgements.
I simply pointed out the fundamental paradox of your metaphor.
If you think the way you play ED calls your mental or moral outlook into question, that's between you and the mirror. [up]
Oh aye. It wasn't a complaint, merely an observation that sometimes it doesn't matter what you do, the odds are just too highly stacked against you.