But if "Mother of the mother of" refers to the following line - "Leader of the Titans" -, then this wouldn't follow because Drew has confirmed that one to be Kronos/Cronus (in some traditions, Chronos), and there is no tradition where Rhea is the mother of Kronos/Cronus/Chronos.
THE FORMIDINE RIFT MYSTERY (Part 4)
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But if "Mother of the mother of" refers to the following line - "Leader of the Titans" -, then this wouldn't follow because Drew has confirmed that one to be Kronos/Cronus (in some traditions, Chronos), and there is no tradition where Rhea is the mother of Kronos/Cronus/Chronos.
1 Styx
2 Rhea
3 Yildun
4 Eurydice
5 Rhamnousia
6 Bellerophon
7 Epione
8 Eurycleia
9 Amphothea
10 Cronos
11 Deadalion
12 Chione
13 Iapetus
14 Anticlea
15 Aeolus
16 Erebus
17 Jupiter
18 Xanthus
19 Furiea
20 Cassiopeia
21-22 0 (zero) -> center of all stars/systems/planets
2 Rhea
3 Yildun
4 Eurydice
5 Rhamnousia
6 Bellerophon
7 Epione
8 Eurycleia
9 Amphothea
10 Cronos
11 Deadalion
12 Chione
13 Iapetus
14 Anticlea
15 Aeolus
16 Erebus
17 Jupiter
18 Xanthus
19 Furiea
20 Cassiopeia
21-22 0 (zero) -> center of all stars/systems/planets
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Don't bring Canonn's credit mindset into this thread. Hundreds of pilots have contributed to dozens of spreadsheets and dozens of internal documents that were shared with the greater community. If you think for a moment that the ideas that Canonn writes are entirely from their own isolated community, you are in the wrong thread.
Respect the data and leave names at the door. (Edit: Possible misunderstanding or language, see here)
21. Moirai/Fates - Atropos (Aisa), Clotho, Lachesis - Could use other minds and eyes considering which mythology name to narrow the choice of Fates down to.
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Sorry, I may be misunderstanding, but I didn't think that each line was part of a pair in terms of their answers.
Only saying those I was posting were not exclusively my personal guesses, I'm not taking credits I don't have.
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Ok guys. Here are my fifty cents on it. I don't know of this idea has already been posted. If yes, I beg your pardon. If not... well.
To make it short: the first 3 points are not my idea, I just summarize them to be brief.
The message clearly refers to the Fibonacchi series. Here is my idea on DB-IB Fi(0) T-1319 SUM(10,7,5,3)
1. DB-IB refers to David Braben and Ian Bell
2. T-1319 refers to the year 1984 (3303-1319=1984), so the first Elite game.
3. Fi(0) means the first Fibonacchi number in the series, which is mostly accepted as zero -> refers to Fibonacchi's Zephyrum.
Now here comes my idea.
Please read this: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2003/oct/18/features.weekend
This is an extract of an article describing, how Braben generated "pseudo-random numbers" to create the virtual galaxy based on the Fibonacchi series.
Step 1:
The original Fibonacchi series take 0 and 1 as the seed. Each successor is the result of adding the last two numbers. So you get with this: 0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 ... Yes, I know. You all know that
Step 2:
The original seed values are 0 and 1. But you can take ANY two numbers as a seed. To keep all "random" numbers in to a specific interval e.g. 0 to 9, you can simply take the last digit.
E.g. take 4 and 7 as a seed and only take the last digit. That gives: 4, 7, 1, 8, 9, 7, 6, 3 etc.
Step 3: What (could) mean SUM(10,7,5,3)? This gives me the most headache.
To me, this confirms the Fibonacchi idea. Are these number a kind of a seed? The sum of these values is 25.
Are 2 and 5 the seed values? That gives: 2, 5, 7, 12, 19, 37 etc.
Another idea: 10+7=18, 5+3=8. Do we need to look for a system that contains "188" or "1808" in its name?
I tried HIP 188 but I ended in BD+05 5252.
A star HIP 1808 does indeed exist. Maybe I check this out.
Interesting: HR 1887 lies in the COL 70 sector and requires a permit. Some ideas about the puzzle go towards COL 70 and its area. Anyway, there are several stars in the game with catalog number HR 188?.
I am still stuck at this point. If we somehow can figure out how Braben and Bell created their galaxy following a Fibonacchi series and identifying each value of the pseudo-random numbers to a planet or a system, I think we might have the answer of: "following the path of souls....".
To make it short: the first 3 points are not my idea, I just summarize them to be brief.
The message clearly refers to the Fibonacchi series. Here is my idea on DB-IB Fi(0) T-1319 SUM(10,7,5,3)
1. DB-IB refers to David Braben and Ian Bell
2. T-1319 refers to the year 1984 (3303-1319=1984), so the first Elite game.
3. Fi(0) means the first Fibonacchi number in the series, which is mostly accepted as zero -> refers to Fibonacchi's Zephyrum.
Now here comes my idea.
Please read this: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2003/oct/18/features.weekend
This is an extract of an article describing, how Braben generated "pseudo-random numbers" to create the virtual galaxy based on the Fibonacchi series.
Step 1:
The original Fibonacchi series take 0 and 1 as the seed. Each successor is the result of adding the last two numbers. So you get with this: 0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 ... Yes, I know. You all know that
Step 2:
The original seed values are 0 and 1. But you can take ANY two numbers as a seed. To keep all "random" numbers in to a specific interval e.g. 0 to 9, you can simply take the last digit.
E.g. take 4 and 7 as a seed and only take the last digit. That gives: 4, 7, 1, 8, 9, 7, 6, 3 etc.
Step 3: What (could) mean SUM(10,7,5,3)? This gives me the most headache.
To me, this confirms the Fibonacchi idea. Are these number a kind of a seed? The sum of these values is 25.
Are 2 and 5 the seed values? That gives: 2, 5, 7, 12, 19, 37 etc.
Another idea: 10+7=18, 5+3=8. Do we need to look for a system that contains "188" or "1808" in its name?
I tried HIP 188 but I ended in BD+05 5252.
A star HIP 1808 does indeed exist. Maybe I check this out.
Interesting: HR 1887 lies in the COL 70 sector and requires a permit. Some ideas about the puzzle go towards COL 70 and its area. Anyway, there are several stars in the game with catalog number HR 188?.
I am still stuck at this point. If we somehow can figure out how Braben and Bell created their galaxy following a Fibonacchi series and identifying each value of the pseudo-random numbers to a planet or a system, I think we might have the answer of: "following the path of souls....".
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Arrived at Farsight in Heart Nebula after one day of jumping through the Rift. First, there is no outfitting or shipyard here either. Sad!
I really wanted to show people the beauty of that approach the last 10 jumps and tried multicrew. sadly noone could connect. 3 CMDRs tried. Oh, well...
Everyone should try to traverse from Myoidee to the nebulas at 400-500 above the plain once. Was fun.
Sadly, no unusual stuff happaned. No Sun-swalloing Space-Dragon or Alien Neon-Sign "Mystery that way ->"
But i don't mind. I like jumping around anyway.
I really wanted to show people the beauty of that approach the last 10 jumps and tried multicrew. sadly noone could connect. 3 CMDRs tried. Oh, well...
Everyone should try to traverse from Myoidee to the nebulas at 400-500 above the plain once. Was fun.
Sadly, no unusual stuff happaned. No Sun-swalloing Space-Dragon or Alien Neon-Sign "Mystery that way ->"
But i don't mind. I like jumping around anyway.
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But then "Mother of mother of" could be virtually anything?
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3. Cynosura
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9. Caligo
I think so. Perhaps, 9 - Gaia.
3. Cynosura
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9. Caligo
I think so. Perhaps, 9 - Gaia.
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Hope this helps! Apart from the below snippet, the wiki article goes wonderfully in depth.
http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Random_number_generator
The Stellar Forge (and various other bits of the game) use huge number sequences, and strip off the last x digits, which gives deterministic but "pseudo-random" numbers. If you're interested, this video (start at about 03:30) is fascinating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEVutbSqBI0.
I think that might be overkill for this puzzle, though.
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Trees, clouds, hills confirmed in future releases of the game.
Perhaps the rules for the procedural generation are inside the poem. We should have to find the seeds, the result, obtain how it works... and perhaps some of the last sentences are the key in which we must apply that mechanic to find a number or a hidden message.
I'm a disaster at this stuff. I'm guessing.
I believe I will find the lost city of Atlantis before the secret of the Formidine Rift
How many of the other lines lead into each other though?
Not sure if the paranoid little epiphany I just had is in any way relevant, I hope so, I'd like to have added to this thread.
Why a cryptic poem about mythology? I'm sure Fed archives would have the answers, so would Imp archives, but the answers require more than just that, there is a certain intuition required....something aliens would certainly not understand.
Could that message be for Human ears only?
Why a cryptic poem about mythology? I'm sure Fed archives would have the answers, so would Imp archives, but the answers require more than just that, there is a certain intuition required....something aliens would certainly not understand.
Could that message be for Human ears only?
DB-IB Fi(0) T-1319 SUM(10,7,5,3)
DB-IB: David Braben - Ian Bell
Fi(0): the first number of the fibounacci sequence
T(now?)-1319=1984 start of Elite
Sum(10,7,5,3)
I think:
We need to find out the Fi(0) of the Elite from 1984 (by David Braben and Ian Bell) and just add the Fi(3), Fi(5), Fi(7) and Fi(10) of their fibounacci sequnce...
This should give us a number which is maybe a HIP or HD catalog star, which we can just search in the galactical map... Or am I thinking too easy?
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The german transcription of the poem says
"Mutter der mutter des odysseus" (the mother of mother of odysseus)
DB-IB: David Braben - Ian Bell
Fi(0): the first number of the fibounacci sequence
T(now?)-1319=1984 start of Elite
Sum(10,7,5,3)
I think:
We need to find out the Fi(0) of the Elite from 1984 (by David Braben and Ian Bell) and just add the Fi(3), Fi(5), Fi(7) and Fi(10) of their fibounacci sequnce...
This should give us a number which is maybe a HIP or HD catalog star, which we can just search in the galactical map... Or am I thinking too easy?
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The german transcription of the poem says
"Mutter der mutter des odysseus" (the mother of mother of odysseus)
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Oh thanks! I just edited my own post. Saw that just now. Hope this will bring us a step forward.
The german transcription of the poem says
"Mutter der mutter des odysseus" (the mother of mother of odysseus)
I guess you mean translation - but which poem do you refer to? I am confused.
Edit: If you mean the 'riddle poem' from Galnet, is the German translation official? I doubt that very much. And even then, why has the original version not been corrected to say 'Mother of the mother of Odysseus'?
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Riddle me this....
1 The river to the underworld - Styx : Correct
2 Gaia’s daughter all unfurled - Rhea : Correct
3 Fourth minor bear in vain - Epione : Correct
4 By viper’s sting was slain - Eurydice : Correct
5 Also known as Nemesis - Rhamnousia : Correct
6 The doom of Chimera - Bellerophon : Correct
7 She is tasked with soothing pain - Epione : Correct
8 Suckling Odysseus from afar - Eurycleia : Correct
9 Mother of the mother of -
10 Leader of the Titans - Chronos : Correct
11 He transformed into a hawk- Daedalion : Correct
12 A daughter of Daedalion’s - Chione : Correct
13 The piercer was how he was known - Iapetus : Correct
14 Mother of Ulysses - Anticlea : Correct
15 Ruler of the winds - Aeolus : Correct
16 God of night, primordial flees - Erebus : Correct
17 Zeus’ namesake now lies in Sol - Jupiter : Correct
18 Achilles’ favoured horse - Xanthus : Correct
19 Women of vengeance infernal -
20 The vain queen rides not forth - Cassiopeia : Correct
21 A final word, a course to follow, a poor miser’s sum -
22 If you would understand it all, seek Fibonacci’s Zephyrum -
Unless I have missed a post or made a mistake..... and assuming Mr Wagar is confirming the right answers we have 4 remaining and then the riddle to solve...
1 The river to the underworld - Styx : Correct
2 Gaia’s daughter all unfurled - Rhea : Correct
3 Fourth minor bear in vain - Epione : Correct
4 By viper’s sting was slain - Eurydice : Correct
5 Also known as Nemesis - Rhamnousia : Correct
6 The doom of Chimera - Bellerophon : Correct
7 She is tasked with soothing pain - Epione : Correct
8 Suckling Odysseus from afar - Eurycleia : Correct
9 Mother of the mother of -
10 Leader of the Titans - Chronos : Correct
11 He transformed into a hawk- Daedalion : Correct
12 A daughter of Daedalion’s - Chione : Correct
13 The piercer was how he was known - Iapetus : Correct
14 Mother of Ulysses - Anticlea : Correct
15 Ruler of the winds - Aeolus : Correct
16 God of night, primordial flees - Erebus : Correct
17 Zeus’ namesake now lies in Sol - Jupiter : Correct
18 Achilles’ favoured horse - Xanthus : Correct
19 Women of vengeance infernal -
20 The vain queen rides not forth - Cassiopeia : Correct
21 A final word, a course to follow, a poor miser’s sum -
22 If you would understand it all, seek Fibonacci’s Zephyrum -
Unless I have missed a post or made a mistake..... and assuming Mr Wagar is confirming the right answers we have 4 remaining and then the riddle to solve...
Sure i meant translation XD the poem which was in the message from the children of raxxla... The poem everybody discusses here!
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