THE FORMIDINE RIFT MYSTERY (Part 4)

we just wanted to detain him for questioning. We even offered him sanctuary at our headquarters in Okinura. He refused every offer of help.

I agree with Lyrea. No offence but I was running from Sirius/Federation and a Fed group 'offered me sanctuary' I would run a mile as well. Nothing says 'Part of the Fed/Core Dynamics/(Maybe) Sirius Military Industrial block the Earth Defence Fleet. It sounds very far right. I don't actually think it is, I think is it a slightly unfortunate choice of name.

I'm sure that Sirius Corp in around those Faction, they buy Meta Drive days before he died, and one of his word was "dont trust what you read on Galnet!" days after his death Sirius corp announce that he died on a planet in the system Alioth and that they haven't found the Exodus Document ! does that mean that Metadrive stole these document? or maybe that Metadrive sent the guy in the Formidine Rift and Sirius tries to stole it? We dont know

I think the whole Sirius/Meta drive story is a very simple one. Sirius are working on new, longer range drives. Meta Drive come out of the woodwork and show themselves as competition. Sirius, being vastly more wealthy and powerful approached them to buy them out and kill the competition (and of course acquire all there tech and research). The Meta Drive CEO refused, so they just murdered him and took Meta Drive by brute force.

I used to like Sirius Corp, and used to fight for them against the Feds in Sothis. The meta drive story made me re-evaluate those loyalties.


As an aside, I think there is a strong historically based argument that the Alliance is once again working on Mycoid research out in the California nebula. I dare say Sirius or the Feds would try and stop/destroy/capture that as well where it not that the Alliance is now big enough to not be a push over any more.
 
I'm an idiot. Forgot that Alioth needed a permit, and sold my data elsewhere... Dumb, dumb and more dumb.


Anyhow, on the bright side - the place that I suspect the old lady got marooned in got me 300,000 cr. I really am quite certain it's the correct system... For multiple reasons -'But it doesn't have any beacons...hmmm.
I made about 15 million this trip and that was by far the highest single payout.
Which system?
 
@Saool can you scroll back and have a look at my post.
I put up a Livestrean where Michael Brooks has a 25 minute yarn with Ed about various things during the 2.1 server update. And I remember your or Apos or Hribek asking "Why no love for the Alliance" and Michael Brooks said something about "The Alliance are traitors to humanity"
Was it you that asked the question?
 
From Cmdr Ashley Wilkinson during Lave Radio Episode 127, time stamp: 1:21:47
"[after the crash] At which point, the members of EDF came in and they searched the wreckage etc, etc and they couldn't find anything, either."


From Cmdr Ashley Wilkinson during Lave Radio Episode 127, time stamp: 1:16:05
"[after the first Raan Corsen interactions] From that point onwards, I figured it would be best to contact the EDF. So I organized a joint operation, effectively, between us and them."


Yes, let's talk about this. From your glorious leader, the standing public order was to offer an escort and to not be "harmed or threatened in any way". What happened in reality? According to your own documentation, "Kross mentioned taking Corsen into protective custody" leading to a chase (which is not an escort offer), when that failed your own documentation also states "Our next encounter will unfortunately be less polite as we will attempt to disable his ship if necessary to force him to comply with our directives.".

Afterwards, your humble leader issued the following declaration: "The Commander Raan Corsen is now under the full protection of the Earth Defense Fleet. Any and all acts of aggression towards Commander Corsen will be considered an act of aggression towards the Earth Defense Fleet."

Not only does that seem to conflict with Kross' plan of using impolite methods to disable Raan's ship, but Raan was under no such protection from EDF almost entirely because your forces could not locate him after the escape. Even moreso, EDF has no jurisdiction outside of EDF's sandcastles. Let's not even discuss in detail how the Chi Orionis was only "acquired" by EDF very shortly before these events took place, where your own documentation once again sheds light on "EDF was working with Core Dynamics on a counter offer"


Recently controlled by EDF, on behalf of Core Dynamics. Not out for blood just questions, but a manhunt with threats to disable a citizen's ship. An offer of sanctuary where a refusal is seen as something that deserves an impolite follow-up response. Locked out by permit despite being on-scene, by name, moments after the crash to begin a search pattern. A public statement from your majestic leader regarding how a destination was never discovered, but Ashley's interview already confirmed the exact planetary base where Raan Corsen docked to drop off his cargo.

But the grandslam you boys swung at next? Your illustrious leader declaring: "The Earth Defense Fleet request that all commanders refrain from trespassing on the crime scene of Commander Corsen. Till the Earth Defense Fleet has time to finish its investigation into Commander Corsen death."

Not only does EDF lack the jurisdictional security forces, but you feel they have jurisdiction in a solar system they claim to lack the permit to even enter. The good news is that if you claim EDF lacked the permits for a site they supposedly hold jurisdiction over (and helped search), then you can attempt to entirely disassociate yourself with the failure of is his primary drive system in case anyone remembers how the "next encounter will unfortunately be less polite". But hey, with all of the lies and red tape, maybe people will forget about the EDF takeover of the Chi Orionis system on behalf of Core Dynamics, since "The news of this deal was kept very quiet and only published in a few select local news feeds."

I can even begin to address all of the accusations that you levy against the Earth Defense Fleet but I will try.

1. Was the Earth Defense Fleet working with Core Dynamics? Not directly. We wanted to keep Metadrive's assets in the Federation and offered to either directly acquire them or to broker a deal between Core Dynamics and Metadrive. Our principle goal was to keep the technology out of Sirius Corporations hands.

2. Was EDF willing to disable Raan Corsen's ship? We did entertain the possibility at one time during the investigation. We did have the opportunity but restrained from doing so. We were willing to take whatever steps were necessary to get information out of Corsen to help the community understand what was going on with Metadrive. I think we made the right choice in allowing Corsen to escape to Alioth.

3. Was EDF on-site in Alioth immediately after Corsen's crash? It is entirely possible. I was participating live on TeamSpeak offering advice (I was personally docked at Jaques) during the encounter. When I was online via TS there were no members of EDF who had an Alioth permit available. This is why Ashley Wilkinson was the only person who visibly witnessed Corsen's demise. I was already up late listening in so I signed off almost immediately after the "main event".

4. Did EDF know that Raan Corsen didn't actually die? Yes. Our leadership agreed with Ashley Wilkinson that we would not release this information to the general public at the time.

5. Did the EDF overstep our bounds by declaring the crash site off limits? No. This was worded as a request not an order. We had every right to ask Commanders to refrain from trespassing on the scene we just didn't have a right to enforce restrictions. Our plan was to have EDF Commanders investigate the site first hand as soon as they could acquire the permit or if we could locate members who already had one. Again: no EDF members who were online at the time had an Alioth permit.

6. Did the EDF take over Chi Orionis on behalf of Core Dynamics? No. We expanded into Chi quite naturally and several weeks before Metadrive was mentioned in Galnet. When we discovered that a prominent storyline element was taking place in our own backyard we quite naturally doubled down our efforts to gain control of the system. The only reason why the news was kept quiet was because Frontier chose to publish our news submission in only a handful of systems. We wanted the news to go global but Frontier chooses what ends up in Galnet.

7. Is Commander Marcus Kross a little trigger happy? No. "Little" does not begin to scratch the surface when it comes to Marcus wanting to watch things explode.
 
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I would run a mile as well. Nothing says 'Part of the Fed/Core Dynamics/(Maybe) Sirius Military Industrial block the Earth Defence Fleet. It sounds very far right. I don't actually think it is, I think is it a slightly unfortunate choice of name.

If by "far right" you mean 100% patriotic to the last man supporters of the Federation then you are spot on. As players members of the EDF know that the Federation is flawed. All of the major factions are flawed, just in different ways. Our roleplay element is, however, as true Kool-Aid drinkers. Federation Strong!
 
Saool or Apos or someone asks: "Why no love for the Alliance?" and Michael Brooks says: "The Alliance are traitors to humanity".
As an Alliance player myself - it really rustled my jimmies and I remember it vividly.
But looking back through the video I can't see it.

I seem to remember hearing Michael Brookes say the exact opposite. That the Alliance WERE NOT traitors to humanity. That was part of the whole reveal that the Lore we thought we knew was no longer necessarily applicable anymore, was it not?
 
Just to keep you up to date Everybody ! there were a Special announce on a Friends stream 8 month ago about the Alliance, and its that the Alliance never betrayed humanity ! they never had peace with Thargoid or whatever !

Source : https://www.twitch.tv/videos/71542627 On stream there !

I think the whole Sirius/Meta drive story is a very simple one. Sirius are working on new, longer range drives. Meta Drive come out of the woodwork and show themselves as competition. Sirius, being vastly more wealthy and powerful approached them to buy them out and kill the competition (and of course acquire all there tech and research). The Meta Drive CEO refused, so they just murdered him and took Meta Drive by brute force.

I used to like Sirius Corp, and used to fight for them against the Feds in Sothis. The meta drive story made me re-evaluate those loyalties.


As an aside, I think there is a strong historically based argument that the Alliance is once again working on Mycoid research out in the California nebula. I dare say Sirius or the Feds would try and stop/destroy/capture that as well where it not that the Alliance is now big enough to not be a push over any more.

Dont forget this galnet : https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/582ee6249657ba76159b7101 EXODUS DOCUMENT ! ? sounds familiar ? read the message of the last Found Formidine Rift base :p (Hint : Bios => Exodus)

MetaDrive & now Sirius Corp got a link to the Formidine Rift, And, x) dont forget that Sirius Corp control everything in the Human Bubble ! they have they own convention / laws, they control systems all around the bubble, they have contracts with Alliance to share benefits, they work for Federation/Empire build drives for us CMDRs, they say that they have sent hundreds of beacon in the void ! they control a lot of thing, they are like the E-Corp company in the MR Robot TV show :D a company that can control a society !

And the fact is that now we also know that "Wreaken construction is a major customer of Sirius Mining, making exclusive use of their equipment, under a long term mutually beneficial deal" (Source : http://imgur.com/F08eve1 )

This is big, this is very big

but again, I'm just saying my own idea of the thing :)

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I seem to remember hearing Michael Brookes say the exact opposite. That the Alliance WERE NOT traitors to humanity. That was part of the whole reveal that the Lore we thought we knew was no longer necessarily applicable anymore, was it not?

You are right ! and this has also been revealed there : https://www.twitch.tv/videos/71542627 :)
 
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I seem to remember hearing Michael Brookes say the exact opposite. That the Alliance WERE NOT traitors to humanity. That was part of the whole reveal that the Lore we thought we knew was no longer necessarily applicable anymore, was it not?
I think the Alliance are cooperating with the Thargoids. Ricardo Bentonio always have right info, but he also always interprets it wrong. :)

Cooperating with Thargoids to defend against 'something worse than the Thargoids', may or may not be considered treason. ;)
 
(This is just roleplay. Jaiotu is actually fabulous.)

Was the Earth Defense Fleet working with Core Dynamics? Not directly. We wanted to keep Metadrive's assets in the Federation and offered to either directly acquire them or to broker a deal between Core Dynamics and Metadrive. Our principle goal was to keep the technology out of Sirius Corporations hands.
You were attempting to broker a deal between a small company and your elegant leader's boss: President Hudson, who also serves on the President's diplomacy team. Now, can you guess who funds Hudson and also provides the Vulture and Dropship at every shipyard owned by Hudson? "Core Dynamics has been a backer of Hudson for a long time". It isn't just your delicious leader that assists President Hudson, but the public declaration of support for the Earth Defense Fleet company is in literally on behalf of Hudson. So, you're not lying at least. You're just a company attempting to help Core Dynamics, who funds the President (of whom you serve in a direct capacity), by deploying a military force in a cross-sector chase. What are you brokering? Where are your brokers?

2. Was EDF willing to disable Raan Corsen's ship? We did entertain the possibility at one time during the investigation. We did have the opportunity but restrained from doing so. We were willing to take whatever steps were necessary to get information out of Corsen to help the community understand what was going on with Metadrive. I think we made the right choice in allowing Corsen to escape to Alioth.
You use the word "allow" but any sort of statement is omitted from public documentation. In fact, the opposite happened. You asked for public support to stop him, where your documentation states "If Corsen attempts to flee you are authorized to disable but NOT DESTROY his ship." - Not even 24 hours later, the tragic title follows your efforts: "Earth Defense Fleet reports death of Raan Corsen earlier today". I remember what happened last time Core Dynamics was involved in an investigation, and it involved a large number of civilian/contractor deaths. But let's set that trigger to the side for now.

3. Was EDF on-site in Alioth immediately after Corsen's crash?I was participating live on TeamSpeak offering advice
Were you the one who gave the recommendation to lie to the very individual you were attempting to gain trust from? To advise Ashley to drop the name of Salomé in hopes of continued contact?

4. Did EDF know that Raan Corsen didn't actually die? Yes. Our leadership agreed with Ashley Wilkinson that we would not release this information to the general public at the time.
Your statement here conflicts with your two above statements:
"We were willing to take whatever steps were necessary to get information out of Corsen to help the community understand what was going on with Metadrive."
"Our principle goal was to keep the technology out of Sirius Corporations hands."
A lie by omission when your goal was to help the community understand what was going on with Metadrive? To prevent Sirius acquiring the data but not inform the Alliance or Mahon leadership of the successful delivery? I can only imagine that you would state this to create a hall of mirrors where no one is certain if the Federation had the data or not, because I assure you Alliance combined forces of a core system such as Alioth would prove more efficient than the EDF corporation by an order of magnitude.

5. Did the EDF overstep our bounds by declaring the crash site off limits? No. This was worded as a request not an order. We had every right to ask Commanders to refrain from trespassing on the scene we just didn't have a right to enforce restrictions. Our plan was to have EDF Commanders investigate the site first hand as soon as they could acquire the permit or if we could locate members who already had one. Again: no EDF members who were online at the time had an Alioth permit.
You ask someone to dance. You do not request someone to dance.

When we discovered that a prominent storyline element was taking place in our own backyard we quite naturally doubled down our efforts to gain control of the system.
A system that you did not have jurisdiction in, nor control over, until MetaDrive entered the public eye. Because EDF is a company, though, this oversight can be classified as an economic offer instead of a military invasion.

7. Is Commander Marcus Kross a little trigger happy? No. "Little" does not begin to scratch the surface when it comes to Marcus wanting to watch things explode.
That is a fair point (and rp-off: lol, fantastic). I am rather satisfied knowing that EDF corporation pilots continue the Core Dynamics tradition of somewhat unusual though always unconfirmed, interactions with the public.

Though it is heartwarming to see two corporations, such as Core Dynamics and Sirius, also continuing their tradition of assisting one another in matters involving Frame Shift Drive technology. Especially after the Antares and Starship One both suffered "remarkable similarities" that lead to the loss of all hands but one. Familiar, even, with how Jaque's station also seemed to share similar similarities regarding the failure states.

I'm rambling now, for shame.
 
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If by "far right" you mean 100% patriotic to the last man supporters of the Federation then you are spot on. As players members of the EDF know that the Federation is flawed. All of the major factions are flawed, just in different ways. Our roleplay element is, however, as true Kool-Aid drinkers. Federation Strong!

I was more meaning that the first thing that came to mind when I first read the name was jackbooted skinheads in tight trousers who are anti anything Human/Federation with no questions asked. Again I don't think this is what you are aiming for at all, but the EDF has that sort of ring to it.

@Saool can you scroll back and have a look at my post.
I put up a Livestrean where Michael Brooks has a 25 minute yarn with Ed about various things during the 2.1 server update. And I remember your or Apos or Hribek asking "Why no love for the Alliance" and Michael Brooks said something about "The Alliance are traitors to humanity"
Was it you that asked the question?

I don't think it was me that asked the question. However I asked several questions to him, in person, at Dine with the Devs last week. And DB. Unfortunately I also signed an NDA :)
 
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Hey guys, the Children of Raxxla report is out concerning the rift/flux/gap CG last November:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/589460fa9657ba75300b988a

03 FEB 3303

The Children of Raxxla, based in the HR 6421 system, have released an analysis of the exploration data recovered by the galactic community in November last year.

A spokesperson for the organisation said:

"There was a vast amount of data to sift through, but our analysis led to some notable discoveries in the Formidine Rift, the Conflux and Hawkin's Gap. There are indications that some kind of covert mission took place in these regions back in the 3270s. So far we have found shipwrecks, beacons and abandoned settlements dating from that time, and logs and records relating to this strange mission."

"It appears that a fleet was despatched, over 30 years ago, to install a series of beacons in the region. None of the ships returned to their point of origin. It seems that this mission was called 'the Dynasty Project'. The purpose of the mission isn't yet clear, but it was evidently a massive undertaking, particular given the technological limitations of the time – it would have taken a year to complete that journey 30 years ago."

The spokesperson was asked if the data supported the organisation's belief that Kahina Loren was innocent of the attempted assassination of Admiral Denton Patreus.

"Unfortunately there is nothing in the data that throws new light on Salomé's demise. But before she was arrested, she indicated that these three sectors were significant. We now believe that that is why she was killed."
 
Hey guys, the Children of Raxxla report is out concerning the rift/flux/gap CG last November:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/589460fa9657ba75300b988a

03 FEB 3303

The Children of Raxxla, based in the HR 6421 system, have released an analysis of the exploration data recovered by the galactic community in November last year.

A spokesperson for the organisation said:

"There was a vast amount of data to sift through, but our analysis led to some notable discoveries in the Formidine Rift, the Conflux and Hawkin's Gap. There are indications that some kind of covert mission took place in these regions back in the 3270s. So far we have found shipwrecks, beacons and abandoned settlements dating from that time, and logs and records relating to this strange mission."

"It appears that a fleet was despatched, over 30 years ago, to install a series of beacons in the region. None of the ships returned to their point of origin. It seems that this mission was called 'the Dynasty Project'. The purpose of the mission isn't yet clear, but it was evidently a massive undertaking, particular given the technological limitations of the time – it would have taken a year to complete that journey 30 years ago."

The spokesperson was asked if the data supported the organisation's belief that Kahina Loren was innocent of the attempted assassination of Admiral Denton Patreus.

"Unfortunately there is nothing in the data that throws new light on Salomé's demise. But before she was arrested, she indicated that these three sectors were significant. We now believe that that is why she was killed."

tl;dr version:

Our boss is still a murderess and we're a bunch of terrorists who blew a load of stuff up for nothing, but oh look! A squirrel!

#IREA
 
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Hey guys, the Children of Raxxla report is out concerning the rift/flux/gap CG last November:

https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet/uid/589460fa9657ba75300b988a

03 FEB 3303

The Children of Raxxla, based in the HR 6421 system, have released an analysis of the exploration data recovered by the galactic community in November last year.

A spokesperson for the organisation said:

"There was a vast amount of data to sift through, but our analysis led to some notable discoveries in the Formidine Rift, the Conflux and Hawkin's Gap. There are indications that some kind of covert mission took place in these regions back in the 3270s. So far we have found shipwrecks, beacons and abandoned settlements dating from that time, and logs and records relating to this strange mission."

"It appears that a fleet was despatched, over 30 years ago, to install a series of beacons in the region. None of the ships returned to their point of origin. It seems that this mission was called 'the Dynasty Project'. The purpose of the mission isn't yet clear, but it was evidently a massive undertaking, particular given the technological limitations of the time – it would have taken a year to complete that journey 30 years ago."

The spokesperson was asked if the data supported the organisation's belief that Kahina Loren was innocent of the attempted assassination of Admiral Denton Patreus.

"Unfortunately there is nothing in the data that throws new light on Salomé's demise. But before she was arrested, she indicated that these three sectors were significant. We now believe that that is why she was killed."

Did we find any shipwrecks?
 
An interesting finding by CMDR Caprica-six in the Earth-like Worlds list ( https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/168287-List-of-Earth-like-worlds-v2/page105 ):
CMDR SALOMÉ has discovered a binary pair of Earth-like Worlds in Outopps KO-X c28-0.
I've no idea if this is significant or if she just happened to be passing through. Binary Earth-likes are worth a visit if you're in the area, though.


Now that you mention it I remembered something, and I may get it only partially right... it was shortly after I started to play E:D again last year and was intrigued by the Formidine Rift mystery, but hadn't read up. I am 100% sure that I came across a couple of systems with Salomes nametag on the way to the Rift. Plus I think I remember reading some text in a system or body description that started out with "Discovered by the mysterious CMDR Salome..." but at that time I thought it was common fluff and didn't pay much attention to it. It's been several months though and I might as well mix up local news and system descriptions. Plus I have no idea whereabouts that might have been to go back and check :S
 
Now that you mention it I remembered something, and I may get it only partially right... it was shortly after I started to play E:D again last year and was intrigued by the Formidine Rift mystery, but hadn't read up. I am 100% sure that I came across a couple of systems with Salomes nametag on the way to the Rift. Plus I think I remember reading some text in a system or body description that started out with "Discovered by the mysterious CMDR Salome..." but at that time I thought it was common fluff and didn't pay much attention to it. It's been several months though and I might as well mix up local news and system descriptions. Plus I have no idea whereabouts that might have been to go back and check :S
There has been some relevant discussion on this in the Earth-like Worlds thread and it appears that she tagged them in late 3301: the system is mentioned in EDSM as 'Alessia's Pearls' (you have to turn on 'planetary features' for it to show up). This makes it unlikely to be anything more than a confirmation that the Formidine Rift is in the general direction of the Reorte-Riedquat line (although it is a bit off that line), if there is any significance to it at all. Perhaps this is where you remember the wording from?
 
I've checked that against the images - I'll be back at Mahon Research Base in a day or two.
There is a Word Missing in the first paragraph. "... found drifting in the [location redacted]"
It might just be lazy copy editing, and that the writer had repeated "Pleiades sector" and just cut it.
"The Formadine Rift" is a bit of a stretch both distance and writing style.

While I agree with Saool - using "enhanced interrogation techniques" is not something any of the Alliance player groups would do.
The notion that the Alliance are doing something hideous to someone fits with what I think Michael Brooks has in store for us.
I'm trying to find the livestream where he is wearing a C'thulu T shirt.
Saool or Apos or someone asks: "Why no love for the Alliance?" and Michael Brooks says: "The Alliance are traitors to humanity".
As an Alliance player myself - it really rustled my jimmies and I remember it vividly.
But looking back through the video I can't see it.

Just the bit at 1:26:13 with getting the CMDRs to chant IA! IA! C'thulu Fhtagn.

It's this stream (MB from one hour)
https://youtu.be/gEtHu3AXw2Q?t=3611

I'll start trawling back through this thread, but can any regulars enlighten me:

Who is Commander Katie Reeves?

Ah, have you considered the possibility that MB is actually a clone, produced by Walden's techniques but actually created by Thargoids to sow anxiety and mistrust of the Alliance before a full scale invasion starts? :rolleyes:
 
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So, the Children of Raxxla report would seem to confirm there are shipwrecks out there. CoR must have found them but we haven't yet.

It also says that none of the ships returned from the Dynasty Expedition, which is a change from the assumption we had that some did make it back. Perhaps they were destroyed after the last logs were recorded?
 
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