The Formidine Rift - Part 2

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Jaiotu

Jaiotu
Genar-Hofoen said:
No there is no NDA when it comes to Beta access.

As far as the Engineers are concerned, there are at least two Engineers in the Beta who do FSD modifications, and Beta players already have the invites from them - myself included. I have flown a Clipper to one of the systems and "made friends" with said engineer. Now I need to collect the necessary items that this engineer needs in order to make desired FSD modifications.

But I'm off to bed now ;)
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Just logged into Beta myself. I'm assuming those engineers are the two that show up in my galaxy map?
Self-destructed to get back from the Rift to the bubble but I've run out of time to do anything else. Heading to work.
 

frostypaw

frostypaw
Well I managed my alignment.
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Sod all there. But it does look neat and the core was lovely and bright up out of the dust.

Now to debate how the heck to get out....

Aerovoid said:
I think I'm near Vig's Beacon. Out of curiosity, what's the exact system name for that one? I don't have any plans to fly up to the Heisenberg cross though, sorry. I originally crossed near the Heart & Soul and made my way to NGC 1491 and then to where I am now (Phoi Euq TO-Z d13-2), near the edge of the outer arm. I'm not sure if that's useful information at all.
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From Galactic Mapping thread: Vigs' BeaconGame map search ref. : VIGS AA-A E1
POI Type: Beacon (Distance Marker)
A bright star embedded within the diffuse regions of the New Outer Arm - acting as a 14,000 LY from Sol distance marker.

How was the crossing to there? any particularly thin patches?
 

Erimus Kamzel

Erimus Kamzel
Aerovoid said:
I think I'm near Vig's Beacon. Out of curiosity, what's the exact system name for that one? I don't have any plans to fly up to the Heisenberg cross though, sorry. I originally crossed near the Heart & Soul and made my way to NGC 1491 and then to where I am now (Phoi Euq TO-Z d13-2), near the edge of the outer arm. I'm not sure if that's useful information at all.
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VIGS AA-A E1

Info on most of the Rifts' POIs can be found on post #2, here : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=116450
 

clavain

clavain
For those of you with the duralium tin foil wrapped tightly around your head and shoulders, there is a theory floating around out there (not mine, but I have permission to pass it along) that some procedurally-generated systems may in fact be hand-crafted. It is just speculation at this point, but I pass it along for those of you in the Rift to keep your eyes peeled for any abnormalities in these systems, FWIW.

Some systems end in zero (-0), even when there is no system -1 or -2, etc. In most proc-gen systems the -0 is usually skipped if there is only one system with that name template. The single -0 systems probably are not all hand-crafted (there are a lot of them), but the naming looks a bit odd and makes them stand out a bit.
 

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
clavain said:
For those of you with the duralium tin foil wrapped tightly around your head and shoulders, there is a theory floating around out there (not mine, but I have permission to pass it along) that some procedurally-generated systems may in fact be hand-crafted. It is just speculation at this point, but I pass it along for those of you in the Rift to keep your eyes peeled for any abnormalities in these systems, FWIW.

Some systems end in zero (-0), even when there is no system -1 or -2, etc. In most proc-gen systems the -0 is usually skipped if there is only one system with that name template. The single -0 systems probably are not all hand-crafted (there are a lot of them), but the naming looks a bit odd and makes them stand out a bit.
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i've surveyed a couple; there are also breaks in numbered sequences (e.g. -5, 6, 9,10). I assume these to be "dark system" placeholders but the DS themselves don't appear to be implemented ( though didn't take a UA along as a DS scanner!); I spent over a week satisfying myself on that! -cue Machiavellian laughter from FD & Drew. :))
 
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crushdepth

C
Arjin said:
EDIT: For those of you wondering if you need jumpo, depends on where you cross, or where you want to search it gets very thin in the Rift. The old lady didn't cross the Rift yet she instructed Salomè to cross it. And furthermore just because it has been in game since launch doesn't mean it doesn't require a 40lyr jump range. It's been possible since launch and that may mean many things...
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So the inconsistency in the old lady's comments has been bothering me.

When Salome meets her in the clinic, she says she's been as far as the rift and nobody's been past it and come back, and her memory had been edited. But in the recording Salome views later, of the old lady when she was younger, she says it is necessary to cross the rift, provides advice on how to do it and gives Salome the coordinates.

Maybe she was starting to lose it in the clinic. Or maybe her memory had received a bit more doctoring after making the recording?
 

Tiamat

Tiamat
This is probably nothing but I am at work and can't check. One of the 2.1 beta patch notes caught my eye.

- Rename some duplicate star systems
- Capitol is no longer a water world
- Change StellarForge population to match system data in LHS 2819
- Renamed CEECKIA ZQ-L C24-0 to Beagle Point
- The authored Naraka system has been renamed to Arbuda
- Renamed EACTAINDS GN-W C1-6 to Rendezvous Point
- Renamed duplicate HR 6946 to Mammon
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Why would an "authored" system need renaming? If it is authored what is there and is it anywhere near the rift?
 
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Qohen Leth

Qohen Leth
crushdepth said:
So the inconsistency in the old lady's comments has been bothering me.

When Salome meets her in the clinic, she says she's been as far as the rift and nobody's been past it and come back, and her memory had been edited. But in the recording Salome views later, of the old lady when she was younger, she says it is necessary to cross the rift, provides advice on how to do it and gives Salome the coordinates.

Maybe she was starting to lose it in the clinic. Or maybe her memory had received a bit more doctoring after making the recording?
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'you'll have to plot a way across' doesn't mean she'll have to actually cross it. Already been discussed.
 

[Diplomacy] Carnegie

[Diplomacy] Carnegie
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lorrad

lorrad
Dommarraa said:
Depends - 0 to all of it

Check out the Formidine Sheet in my sig, it has the Heisenburg Crossing for those with a range of 32.6ly, Frigna's Ford if you are lucky enough to have 38ly+, otherwise, go around the Formidine Bridge, but that is a long way.
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Doesn't have to be that bad, the Bridge is about 2000 lyrs wide between the published route and Rho Cass. It's like a traffic cone, keep to right of Rho Cass as you head out from the core, like fast lane/ high jump range to slower lanes towards a pedestrian bridge. If you're not happy with your routing just change lanes by 100 lyrs until you are.

Is anyone keeping a joint spreadsheet of visited neutrons, wolfs and carbons, following the 7 veils hint/theory?

Looking around Luckyluke Cass A target area.
HYPHEERB AS-R D5-8, n
HYPHEEG DW-K d9-6, n 1w 1ggwl
HYPHEERB QQ-K D9-4, n
hypheerb sl-j d10-24, n
hypheerb nu-m d8-22, n
hypheerb wl-k d9-5
hypheerb ie-f d12-15
hypheerb bd-h d11-18
hypheerb bt-f d12-26
GLUFOA HQ-G D10-40, n
glufoa ps-j d9-2
pha airg tj-i d9-16
pha airg uj-i d9-20
pha airg yp-g d10-36
pha airg ov-k d9-0

Ones without anything following I haven't got to yet having rushed off to vist Qohen Leth's 3 Formidine camp for reason's I can't remember.

Neutrons and specials next to visit,,

Scan 1 6000,0,8600 - 14000,0,9000

schafaae ns-u d2-7
schafaae ue-r d4-14
schafaae sj-r d4-1
dryaea airg dq-g d10-18
dryaea airg bq-g d10-14
dryu ail wa-f d11-0
dryi aim eq-g d10-1
spongaea uj-i d9-9
schadgoea fr-n d6-2
schafaae tm-w d1-9
hypua phlai qg-y d11
hypiae aescs ha-a d9
spongaea ut-z d13-3
schafeau na-a d16
schafeau ia-a d2
dryu ail ji-b d13-92
dryu ail mi-b d13-12
dryaea cc-d d12-11
dryaea ec-d d12-2
dryaea zv-e d11-14
spongaea gc-d d12-8
spongaea uj-i d9-9
spongaea ni-k d8-4
dryaea airg dq-g d10-18
dryaea airg bq-g d10-14

So thers not alot but more than enough and thats just one 400x200x8000 slice.

Maybe add a page to your rift spreadsheet so we can check them off?
 

Dommarraa

Dommarraa
lorrad said:
So thers not alot but more than enough and thats just one 400x200x8000 slice.

Maybe add a page to your rift spreadsheet so we can check them off?
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I am happy to give known people with half an idea full Modify Rights so you add Pages as you wish, just request it via the sheet.
 

Eisen

Eisen
Hi guys,

just to give you a heads up on the Children of Raxxla Rift-Border-Patrols. Alpha Wing 1 and Beta Wing 1 launched yesterday from HR 6421 and are on their way to the listening-posts now. They are due to arrive there in the course of next week. We will publish the positions of the listening-posts and waypoints between them on May 13th (this to prevent any griefers considering to wait for our pilots there).
There was a nice sendoff-ceremony last night and even Salomé and Alessia Verdi took part. Both of them made short speeches and I like to share the transcripts with you:

Introduction by CMDR Alessia Verdi (Author of the novel "Children of Raxxla")

"My friends. Please keep the comms channels clear. Transmission is about to commence.
For those of you new to the Children of Raxxla, my name is Alessia Verdi and I am one of our official spokespersons.
Thank you for assembling. It is good to see so many of you here! We may live in dark times, but our light shines bright!
I am honoured to announce that Salomé herself is with us this evening. She has returned, along with many of you, from the Distant Worlds Expedition.
In a few minutes she will address you in person, but first, please be vigilant! Keep an eye on your scanners.
We have reason to believe that we may be under surveillance. Security must be our uppermost priority at this time.
Please standby.
Yes. I am told we are ready. My friends, Salomé is here. Please give her a warm welcome!"


SPEECH OF CMDR SALOMÉ


"I thank you for your welcome, Commanders. It warms my soul.
Children of Raxxla, I address you now at a time of great uncertainty and it is both with delight and sadness that I charge you with our latest undertaking.
Delight, in that I know I can depend upon your dedication and expertise, your prowess in exploration and your sense of adventure.
Sadness, in that I know I ask you to risk much. Your time, your ships, perhaps even your lives in pursuit of something... something that even now remains elusive and unclear.
There are shadowy forces at work and strange things are afoot across all the major powers. You must be as cunning as serpents and as innocent as doves. Do not be beguiled, as so many have been, by the promise of easy credits.
Halsey returns and demands exploration data just as explorers return from across the galaxy. Coincidence? Ask yourself why she might need that data.
The vile Patreus completes another unnecessary battleship. Yet we are not at war... are we?
We are being played, Commanders.
Even now, knowledge of what we have already uncovered is becoming more and more widely known. Others are searching, and not always for the purest motives.
We can not expect those set against us to leave us alone forever, already they are taking a direct interest in our affairs.
I am sending you out like sheep amongst wolves. Be wary, trust no one. I fear time is running out for us to solve the mystery of the Rift.
For now, you have your briefing. Embark on it with my blessings, Commanders.
Fly safe, and always... Remember."


The two wings were escorted out of the bubble by a security-squad. However, nothing odd happened on the first 1.6 kly out to the waypoint.
We will keep you informed about the progress.
 
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frostypaw

frostypaw
I've made a new crossing that plots straight and easy for 27lyr ships far shorter than the Bridge - it goes from -11700, -5000 to -11700, -7200 - you can just plot in 500ly+ chunks the whole way. Prospectively entitled the FrostyPass pending the Map Master General's approval.

It just skirts the sparse area where plots get fiddly so you can barrel through it 30 jumps at a time.

It would be of great interest if someone could attempt to find similar on the eastern side of the rift to define that edge.
If you can plot your route such that it just grazes the awkward areas (so that half the spiderweb of routes is well populated and the other half thin) then we can nail this down for lower jump range ships
 
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Cubed

Cubed
Hello CMDRs I've been following these threads for a while now and it all rather mysterious and interesting, so I have decided to head 'towards' the rift. I say 'towards' as I am in a fully armed Python with SRVs and only a 19Ly jump range.

I am under no illusion that I will get across or even near the rift, I'm just having some exploring fun, it's amazing what you find following in the steps of giants as so much has yet to be discovered and if I find anything interesting I will report in.

So if you see an armed black Python out there don't panic. Fly safe and have fun.

CMDR Cubed
 

Arjin

Arjin
Cubed said:
Hello CMDRs I've been following these threads for a while now and it all rather mysterious and interesting, so I have decided to head 'towards' the rift. I say 'towards' as I am in a fully armed Python with SRVs and only a 19Ly jump range.

I am under no illusion that I will get across or even near the rift, I'm just having some exploring fun, it's amazing what you find following in the steps of giants as so much has yet to be discovered and if I find anything interesting I will report in.

So if you see an armed black Python out there don't panic. Fly safe and have fun.

CMDR Cubed
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Welcome to the Rifter's Cmdr, you can make it to the Rift no problems, in and around the Rift not so much. :)
 

Jaiotu

Jaiotu
Eisen said:
Hi guys,

just to give you a heads up on the Children of Raxxla Rift-Border-Patrols. Alpha Wing 1 and Beta Wing 1 launched yesterday from HR 6421 and are on their way to the listening-posts now. They are due to arrive there in the course of next week. We will publish the positions of the listening-posts and waypoints between them on May 13th (this to prevent any griefers considering to wait for our pilots there).
There was a nice sendoff-ceremony last night and even Salomé and Alessia Verdi took part. Both of them made short speeches and I like to share the transcripts with you:


Introduction by CMDR Alessia Verdi (Author of the novel "Children of Raxxla")

"My friends. Please keep the comms channels clear. Transmission is about to commence.
For those of you new to the Children of Raxxla, my name is Alessia Verdi and I am one of our official spokespersons.
Thank you for assembling. It is good to see so many of you here! We may live in dark times, but our light shines bright!
I am honoured to announce that Salomé herself is with us this evening. She has returned, along with many of you, from the Distant Worlds Expedition.
In a few minutes she will address you in person, but first, please be vigilant! Keep an eye on your scanners.
We have reason to believe that we may be under surveillance. Security must be our uppermost priority at this time.
Please standby.
Yes. I am told we are ready. My friends, Salomé is here. Please give her a warm welcome!"


SPEECH OF CMDR SALOMÉ


"I thank you for your welcome, Commanders. It warms my soul.
Children of Raxxla, I address you now at a time of great uncertainty and it is both with delight and sadness that I charge you with our latest undertaking.
Delight, in that I know I can depend upon your dedication and expertise, your prowess in exploration and your sense of adventure.
Sadness, in that I know I ask you to risk much. Your time, your ships, perhaps even your lives in pursuit of something... something that even now remains elusive and unclear.
There are shadowy forces at work and strange things are afoot across all the major powers. You must be as cunning as serpents and as innocent as doves. Do not be beguiled, as so many have been, by the promise of easy credits.
Halsey returns and demands exploration data just as explorers return from across the galaxy. Coincidence? Ask yourself why she might need that data.
The vile Patreus completes another unnecessary battleship. Yet we are not at war... are we?
We are being played, Commanders.
Even now, knowledge of what we have already uncovered is becoming more and more widely known. Others are searching, and not always for the purest motives.
We can not expect those set against us to leave us alone forever, already they are taking a direct interest in our affairs.
I am sending you out like sheep amongst wolves. Be wary, trust no one. I fear time is running out for us to solve the mystery of the Rift.
For now, you have your briefing. Embark on it with my blessings, Commanders.
Fly safe, and always... Remember."


The two wings were escorted out of the bubble by a security-squad. However, nothing odd happened on the first 1.6 kly out to the waypoint.
We will keep you informed about the progress.
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Salomé made an interesting speech there. Time to break out the Duranium Foil and see just how much we can mine from it.

1st thing that stands out to me is the phrase, "You must be as cunning as serpents and as innocent as doves." This phrase is obviously drawn from the pages of Christian scripture. She finishes the Biblical phrase just a few sentences down with, "I am sending you out like sheep amongst wolves."

From the New Testament, book of Matthew, Chapter 10 verse 16: "I'm sending you out like sheep among wolves. So be as cunning as snakes but as innocent as doves."

I've said it before ... I see Salomé's leadership of the Children of Raxxla in a similar light to Paul Atriedes in the 'Dune' series. Paul allowed himself to assume a messianic role becoming both a spiritual and political leader of the Fremen of Arrakis. Like Salomé, Paul changed his name when he assumed this new role.

If you look back at Salomé's character in Reclamation there is nothing to indicate that the woman has any aspirations to be a spiritual leader. Now she's quoting the Christian Messiah. What happened to her over the course of the last year? Her speeches definitely sound like the pronouncements of a religious leader. The question is: Does she actually believe her own hype or is this all an act?

And, once again, we have Salomé attacking former Federation President Jasmina Halsey. Why? If she knows something why doesn't she speak? The way I see it, Jasmina Halsey has the potential to derail Salomé's own attempts to become a spiritual leader regarding the Mysteries of the Universe. Salomé is trying to unseat Jasmina because she could, in her own right, raise up her own group of followers.

I know Jasmina Halsey wasn't always a popular leader, but I was always a bit sympathetic toward her. Yes, her actions against Panem during the Onionhead wars were a bit extreme but Onionhead was creating a public health crisis that could not be ignored. Yes, the destruction of a civilian transport during the Lugh revolt was a tragedy but in her defense the oposition did feed the Federation false information regarding that transport in a deliberate act to create a scandel for the former President.

It seems to me, based on the Children of Raxxla short-story, that the true power behind CoR and Kahina herself have entered into a relationship of mutual exploitation to allow them both to acheive their own goals. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
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Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Jaiotu said:
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Salomé made an interesting speech there. Time to break out the Duranium Foil and see just how much we can mine from it.

1st thing that stands out to me is the phrase, "You must be as cunning as serpents and as innocent as doves." This phrase is obviously drawn from the pages of Christian scripture. She finishes the Biblical phrase just a few sentences down with, "I am sending you out like sheep amongst wolves."

From the New Testament, book of Matthew, Chapter 10 verse 16: "I'm sending you out like sheep among wolves. So be as cunning as snakes but as innocent as doves."

I've said it before ... I see Salomé's leadership of the Children of Raxxla in a similar light to Paul Atriedes in the 'Dune' series. Paul allowed himself to assume a messianic role becoming both a spiritual and political leader of the Fremen of Arrakis. Like Salomé, Paul changed his name when he assumed this new role.

If you look back at Salomé's character in Reclamation there is nothing to indicate that the woman has any aspirations to be a spiritual leader. Now she's quoting the Christian Messiah. What happened to her over the course of the last year? Her speeches definitely sound like the pronouncements of a religious leader. The question is: Does she actually believe her own hype or is this all an act?

And, once again, we have Salomé attacking former Federation President Jasmina Halsey. Why? If she knows something why doesn't she speak? The way I see it, Jasmina Halsey has the potential to derail Salomé's own attempts to become a spiritual leader regarding the Mysteries of the Universe. Salomé is trying to unseat Jasmina because she could, in her own right, raise up her own group of followers.

I know Jasmina Halsey wasn't always a popular leader, but I was always a bit sympathetic toward her. Yes, her actions against Panem during the Onionhead wars were a bit extreme but Onionhead was creating a public health crisis that could not be ignored. Yes, the destruction of a civilian transport during the Lugh revolt was a tragedy but in her defense the oposition did feed the Federation false information regarding that transport in a deliberate act to create a scandel for the former President.

It seems to me, based on the Children of Raxxla short-story, that the true power behind CoR and Kahina herself have entered into a relationship of mutual exploitation to allow them both to acheive their own goals. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
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The speach was quite interesting. I can see Salomes scepticism towards Halsey. If the link between the Fed liberal party and Sirius corporation is as strong as it looks, they will hve gathered masive amounts of data, over several CGs. I don't know if Halsey is in that loop any longer though.

We may be looking at a 'Faust' situation, where certain groups tries to make alliances with aliens, against the rest of humanity.

Faust by S.L.A.M: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/first-encounters/books/further-stories-of-life-on-the-frontier/faust/

When it comes to the Snake/Dove quotes I think Salome is saying be carefull, but don't shoot.

The sentence have huge tinfoil potential though.
 

Jaiotu

Jaiotu
Han_Zen said:
The speach was quite interesting. I can see Salomes scepticism towards Halsey. If the link between the Fed liberal party and Sirius corporation is as strong as it looks, they will hve gathered masive amounts of data, over several CGs. I don't know if Halsey is in that loop any longer though.

We may be looking at a 'Faust' situation, where certain groups tries to make alliances with aliens, against the rest of humanity.

Faust by S.L.A.M: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/first-encounters/books/further-stories-of-life-on-the-frontier/faust/

When it comes to the Snake/Dove quotes I think Salome is saying be carefull, but don't shoot.

The sentence have huge tinfoil potential though.
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And now the Federation has gone and silenced Jasmina!

Galactic News: Jasmina Halsey to Undergo Psychiatric Review
07 MAY 3302
A member of Jasmina Halsey's personal staff has announced that the former president's appeal for exploration data failed to uncover any evidence of the entities she claims to have seen. The campaign yielded a huge quantity of exploration data, but despite being subjected to extensive examination, the information did not yield any proof of Halsey's assertions.

The spokesperson went on to say that the former Federal president had been admitted to a secure psychiatric facility on Mars for "extended care and review". This announcement follows weeks of speculation concerning Halsey's mental health, which was called into question by commentators both within and outside the Federation.

Halsey's spokesperson declined to answer journalists' questions.
 
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