The Formidine Rift - Part 2

Status
Thread Closed: Not open for further replies.
I've been mulling over a few points within this mystery, and have not found an answer. This is hinged around Drew's comment about 'who goes looking' for the solution. Raxxla is reputed to be a planet of Elites - so perhaps can only be found by a Commander of true Elite status - combat, exploration and trading. I am concerned that of the hundreds of people out there hunting the Rift, only one or two would actually be capable of finding Raxxla / a hidden fleet / the signed photo of Drew, or whatever is out there.

If Raxxla is real, and this fleet of hexagonal ships is real, I would surmise that Raxxla's mission is to act as the barrier between humanity and the things out there. If Raxxla's location is discovered and widely broadcast, perhaps the ability to defend from the hexagonal hordes will be compromised.

Thoughts?
 
If anyone other than DBOBE, and possibly MB, know where Raxxla is, I'd be very surprised. And DBOBE was adamant: 'there will be no hints' - which, for me, rules out this expedition as leading to Raxxla.
 
I've been mulling over a few points within this mystery, and have not found an answer. This is hinged around Drew's comment about 'who goes looking' for the solution. Raxxla is reputed to be a planet of Elites - so perhaps can only be found by a Commander of true Elite status - combat, exploration and trading. I am concerned that of the hundreds of people out there hunting the Rift, only one or two would actually be capable of finding Raxxla / a hidden fleet / the signed photo of Drew, or whatever is out there.

If Raxxla is real, and this fleet of hexagonal ships is real, I would surmise that Raxxla's mission is to act as the barrier between humanity and the things out there. If Raxxla's location is discovered and widely broadcast, perhaps the ability to defend from the hexagonal hordes will be compromised.

Thoughts?

Raxxla. It always comes back down to Raxxla, doesn't it?

In Robert Holdstock's The Dark Wheel we are told that the organization "The Dark Wheel" are looking for it. The last word from the mouth of Jason Ryder's father was, "Raxxla" leading Rafe Zetter to believe that the elder Ryder had, in fact, found the legendary location. At the end of The Dark Wheel Raxxla's location remains a mystery. Did Jason Ryder ever find Raxxla? We may never know.

Concered that only one or two people currently out in the Rift have the necessary rank to find Raxxla? Don't be. First of all: Its not Raxxla that we are looking for. Drew Wagar, author of Reclamation, has already confirmed that what we are looking for is NOT Raxxla (though he can't rule out that Raxxla is also in the Formidine Rift because he hasn't been told where Raxxla is either).

If you'll kindly take a moment to head over to the OP of this thread you'll find the link to where Drew confirmed that what we looking for is not locked by rank. Drew said, "It's not locked to a rank. All you need is wanderlust, patience and an ability to read between the lines" way back in the 1st Formidine Threadmill and that information (along with lots of other important hints, clues and debunked theories) can be found in this threads first post.
 
Well, I've been reading through this post for the last couple of days, and decided I should lend another pair of eyes to the search. I'm currently in the Pha Phlai region, if anyone knows of anything I could be doing in this area to assist, even only potentially? Trying to make sense of one of the smaller clues given, where Salome claims to have seen the galaxy 'just hanging there'...would that mean she was BELOW the galactic plane? When I think of something hanging there it tends to be 'above' me. I may start trying to navigate downwards and see if anything unusual appears...
 
Well, I've been reading through this post for the last couple of days, and decided I should lend another pair of eyes to the search. I'm currently in the Pha Phlai region, if anyone knows of anything I could be doing in this area to assist, even only potentially? Trying to make sense of one of the smaller clues given, where Salome claims to have seen the galaxy 'just hanging there'...would that mean she was BELOW the galactic plane? When I think of something hanging there it tends to be 'above' me. I may start trying to navigate downwards and see if anything unusual appears...

Welcome aboard. Just to clarify though, it wasn't Salome who saw the galaxy "just hanging there" ... it was "The Old Lady" whom Salome met at the hospital. Oddly, when I think of something "Just Hanging There" my mind pictures something hanging downward such as a woman's skirt hanging out of the door of an automobile.
Welcome to the chase! This is a long term effort so I'd suggest exploring the region per your own instincts. The key is to be in the area when the next batch of clues come in.
 
Is that your up or mine?

There's lots to do, but we've lost some focus for the moment I think it's fair to say.

Attempts to breach the rift and search inside have been of varied success, and seem to require 'conda jump range so the temptation of Engineer upgrades has brought some back to the bubble for a breather. Beyond it there are still klys of relatively untrodden territory, but it's such a large area where to start is a proper issue - so anywhere is good for now. Have a look on EDSM and pick a line if you fancy it that instead. All contributions gratefully received - not so many folk out here
 
Fairly obvious, but if you are looking for co-ordinates then you want numbers. You've got at least two right there...

If you want coordinates related to this mystery, you want negative ones. Really hard to hide in a hint without making it spectacularly obvious.
 
If the sign is already determined then you don't need it to be spelt out.

Also, it's not necessarily a direct co-ordinate. It could be a distance, eg Mathew 10:16 could equate to 11016 LY along the R-R line. Or some other measure. Or not. I'm just amazed that with all the tinfoilery and trying to seek out of game solutions by thinking up links to classical myths, etc no one seems in the slightest bit interested when a quote has a semi-numerical source!
 
Last edited:
If the sign is already determined then you don't need it to be spelt out.

Also, it's not necessarily a direct co-ordinate. It could be a distance, eg Mathew 10:16 could equate to 11016 LY along the R-R line. Or some other measure. Or not. I'm just amazed that with all the tinfoilery and trying to seek out of game solutions by thinking up links to classical myths, etc no one seems in the slightest bit interested when a quote has a semi-numerical source!

I'm uninterested because it makes zero sense. Might Drew have done it, sure but if he did then I've lost all interest in the hunt, it stops being some immersive game lore based treasure hunt and starts being a random word puzzle. Why would some alien Civ plop down on a planet whose human coordinates just happen to match a verse's numerical location within a text which only works in translations done 1700 years after the fact (chapters and verse in the bible are a relatively recent modification).

At least the myths (which I think are pretty thin) have an association with named systems.
 
I think it's safe to assume Azaleach Partnership an "enemy faction" at this point. We need to explore the Rift, but I think we should take action at home in the Bubble as well.
 
If the sign is already determined then you don't need it to be spelt out.

Also, it's not necessarily a direct co-ordinate. It could be a distance, eg Mathew 10:16 could equate to 11016 LY along the R-R line. Or some other measure. Or not. I'm just amazed that with all the tinfoilery and trying to seek out of game solutions by thinking up links to classical myths, etc no one seems in the slightest bit interested when a quote has a semi-numerical source!

I totally agree that numbers on a galnet have hugely more significance than the entomology. I have pointed a out few times that the cause and effect vector in most people's tinfoilery regarding out of game clues is out of whack, but tinfoilery is as tinfoilery does.
 
I'm uninterested because it makes zero sense. Might Drew have done it, sure but if he did then I've lost all interest in the hunt, it stops being some immersive game lore based treasure hunt and starts being a random word puzzle. Why would some alien Civ plop down on a planet whose human coordinates just happen to match a verse's numerical location within a text which only works in translations done 1700 years after the fact (chapters and verse in the bible are a relatively recent modification).

At least the myths (which I think are pretty thin) have an association with named systems.

I think it makes perfect sense. Considering every system in ED can be described as a series of human based coordinates... If someone was sending a coded message in Galnet using bible verses to generate numbers is not a bad way to do it. Since we know that Galcops Feds and Imps (No need for aliens) already know something about what is out there - it is not unlikely that someone is communicating to Kahina or someone else using Galnet to masque their messages. I see no immersion breaking - if anything.. snark hunting would suggest it ;)
 
I'm uninterested because it makes zero sense. Might Drew have done it, sure but if he did then I've lost all interest in the hunt, it stops being some immersive game lore based treasure hunt and starts being a random word puzzle. Why would some alien Civ plop down on a planet whose human coordinates just happen to match a verse's numerical location within a text which only works in translations done 1700 years after the fact (chapters and verse in the bible are a relatively recent modification).

At least the myths (which I think are pretty thin) have an association with named systems.
It wouldn't be that the solution happened to fit a particular quote from a particular source. More that it is possible to choose a quote to generate a hint and the Bible is a good source. So, if the numbers 1, 10 & 16 have meaning, then quoting from Matthew 10:16 makes sense. But if, say, 4, 17 & 16 were meaningful then you could concoct a speech which included "They do not belong to this world any more than I do" (John 17:16, New Living Translation).

OTOH, if going by names (whether of systems, planets or people) then that can only make sense if the people or person giving the names wanted to use them to give clues. If that person is Drew then that's something that would make me lose all interest. So considering Salome's name as a clue, that only makes sense if you consider that Hassan was already in on a conspiracy which wanted to point her towards the quest. Similarly, with Kahina then her father and/or mother would have to have been in on it. Neither of those make much sense given the way the characters are written in the book. Since we don't even know who named the Prism system, it's a massive jump to even think it could have any relevance.
 
So, the trip to Mars may have involved the same psychiatric facility? Perhaps Salome visited another resident...

I spotted that too. I wondered if the old lady had been moved to Mars :D

- - - - - Additional Content Posted / Auto Merge - - - - -

No worries. This thread is massive. The OP is massive. It is very easy to miss some of the details.

Yeah I plan to make a nice new shiny one, free from any tinfoil whatsoever (OK, maybe just a tiny bit...) later this week.

Some annoying IRL activities have been getting in the way of important ED universe ones :)

Jaiotu - as you expressed an interest earlier, perhaps I can send you a copy of the new thread OP for a second pair of eyes review before posting?

I was thinking about having three opening posts - #1) Factual clues and information, #2) Timeline of events, #3) Debunked theories.
 
Last edited:
I think it makes perfect sense. Considering every system in ED can be described as a series of human based coordinates... If someone was sending a coded message in Galnet using bible verses to generate numbers is not a bad way to do it. Since we know that Galcops Feds and Imps (No need for aliens) already know something about what is out there - it is not unlikely that someone is communicating to Kahina or someone else using Galnet to masque their messages. I see no immersion breaking - if anything.. snark hunting would suggest it ;)

GalNet posts usually consist of a text writen by a 'reporter' and some quotes from the subject of the article.
The quote part would be the place to look for hidden mesnings, as it's dobtfull that the 'reporter' is involved.

By the way, neider the RR-line or the Mathew 10:16 has been mentioned on GalNet.
 
GalNet posts usually consist of a text writen by a 'reporter' and some quotes from the subject of the article.
The quote part would be the place to look for hidden mesnings, as it's dobtfull that the 'reporter' is involved.

By the way, neider the RR-line or the Mathew 10:16 has been mentioned on GalNet.

Ahh .. but I have a sneaking suspicion I know who the 'reporter' is and that he not only knows more then he lets on ... has a hankering for codes and double meanings.

oh ya... oops I guess I just wish some of these recent posts were on galnet and not on special groups.
 
It wouldn't be that the solution happened to fit a particular quote from a particular source. More that it is possible to choose a quote to generate a hint and the Bible is a good source. So, if the numbers 1, 10 & 16 have meaning, then quoting from Matthew 10:16 makes sense. But if, say, 4, 17 & 16 were meaningful then you could concoct a speech which included "They do not belong to this world any more than I do" (John 17:16, New Living Translation).

OTOH, if going by names (whether of systems, planets or people) then that can only make sense if the people or person giving the names wanted to use them to give clues. If that person is Drew then that's something that would make me lose all interest. So considering Salome's name as a clue, that only makes sense if you consider that Hassan was already in on a conspiracy which wanted to point her towards the quest. Similarly, with Kahina then her father and/or mother would have to have been in on it. Neither of those make much sense given the way the characters are written in the book. Since we don't even know who named the Prism system, it's a massive jump to even think it could have any relevance.

1,10,16 as a vector gets you shooting out of the galaxy pretty soon, x=10,z=16 ignoring y gets you towards the eastern outer reaches of the new outer arm, east of the r-r line and what most would consider formidinish, around -10000,0,-16000.

Then there's 2814 another specific number Salome mentions as the date of the first mention of Raxxla she found.

Drew also said the Children of Raxxla story should be considered cannon too. It's ending is interesting with all the knowing winks and implications might as well make Hassan part of it as everyone else seems to be. Don't think he is.

Honestly all we really got to go on is the r-r line to Formidine, the rest may amount to nothing but eating the wallpaper and other decorations. People often take coincidence and plaster it into their personal identity. I'm aries so I can be an agressive sod and buy a yellow corvette. I' m a direct descendant of George II, ignoring the other 4095 ancestors at that length who weren't. Salome/Kahina may do the same sort of thing and decorate her identity and personality to use, exploit or self-satisfy the primary purpose all that delusional illusional stuff serves.

So Salome to the ship being called 7 veils is because Hassan came up with that as a name and they know the story. Look at Cassiopeiae because the r-r line goes there. Look up the name Kahina because Drew said to which leads to more related decoure because he plastered the story with it. Could be all smoke. Might be a clue might be he just wanted us to notice nice Berber floor tiles he had flown in for his gazebo.

Hauling out my crystal ball,,, I predict when this all pans out we'll be both excited and disappointed.
 
Last edited:
Status
Thread Closed: Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom