I thought you didn't have to read the books to solve this mystery. What relevance is there in that case to discussing this here? Is what you're discussing signal or is it noise?
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I thought you didn't have to read the books to solve this mystery. What relevance is there in that case to discussing this here? Is what you're discussing signal or is it noise?
Regards.
Thank you Drew for clarification on this. Do we ( who bought the book ) get a notification when the book is updated so we can download the new version, do you know ?
Alright Donny Downer, look. I'm not normally one to gripe at other people's ideas, no matter how little I understand them, but the more we put in the more we get out. Drew also said that reading other Elite stories could help our understanding of the mystery as well. Hell, this thread and the Rifters wouldn't even be here if we all literally ignored anything not fed to us in-game. Pretend for a moment that Drew set up the whole timeline of Kahina Loren's story, and helped FD put in whatever it is in the Rift... And he never published Reclamation. We wouldn't be here and most of us would have missed all the GalNet articles about Kahina/Salome'. Nobody would have followed the R-R Line to the New Outer Arm. There would be no Children of Raxxla or Loren's Legion. Her speech at Beagle Point wouldn't just fall on deaf ears, it would simply not have happened.
So no, you don't have to read the books to solve the mystery. But reading the books sure helps you to know that there is a mystery to solve. And reading the books just might make solving the mystery a little less like looking for a quantum needle in an infinite haystack.
PS: I edited the comment you replied to in response to another of your comments, before I updated the page and saw your reply to my comment. Comment-ception!
The thing being overlooked in these elaborate attempts to conjure clues out of the void is that the old lady gave Kahina the *coordinates*.
Not secret handshakes, nudges or winks. Coordinates. While I doubt that we will be give the coordinates I don't think we have enough info to find it at this stage and the old lady's message was what it was.
Re. being careful of who you sell your DW exploration data too, given the old lady's statements about a cover up the Feds, Imperials ans Galcop (if its still around) shouldn't be on the list. Which leaves alliance and independent systems / minor factions.
And then there's the Dark Wheel. If I understand the book correctly, Kahina dumping her tiara was part of giving up her imperial life and responsibilities. But she seems to have also dumped a dark wheel token at the same time. So maybe any offers by Dark Wheel operatives to purchase DW data would also be best avoided.
Not secret handshakes, nudges or winks. Coordinates. While I doubt that we will be give the coordinates I don't think we have enough info to find it at this stage and the old lady's message was what it was.
Re. being careful of who you sell your DW exploration data too, given the old lady's statements about a cover up the Feds, Imperials ans Galcop (if its still around) shouldn't be on the list. Which leaves alliance and independent systems / minor factions.
And then there's the Dark Wheel. If I understand the book correctly, Kahina dumping her tiara was part of giving up her imperial life and responsibilities. But she seems to have also dumped a dark wheel token at the same time. So maybe any offers by Dark Wheel operatives to purchase DW data would also be best avoided.
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Why is it that realists are always unpopular?
You do have a small point in that Drew's book(s?) have been incorporated into the game in some fashion - but you know what? So what. "You don't need to read the book to solve the mystery" implies that all clues are in-game, that you don't have to discuss whether some character in Drew's book had plain or chocolate digestives with their space tea, or how one character that I've never heard of because I haven't read the book looks on some other character in the book or in the game, just by sheer dint of "you don't need to have read the book to solve the mystery".
Why is it that realists are always unpopular?
You do have a small point in that Drew's book(s?) have been incorporated into the game in some fashion - but you know what? So what. "You don't need to read the book to solve the mystery" implies that all clues are in-game, that you don't have to discuss whether some character in Drew's book had plain or chocolate digestives with their space tea, or how one character that I've never heard of because I haven't read the book looks on some other character in the book or in the game, just by sheer dint of "you don't need to have read the book to solve the mystery".
In case of logic apply tinfoil
Totally with you on this. The whole numerology dogpile is getting tiresome. There's clues from Drew both here and from Twitter (around May 2015 if you want to go digging). In regards to the book, Drew has stated that you don't need to read it but only because the clues from the book (all or most?) have been copied onto the forums.
Galcop is off the table
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=222685
I hope I copied the right link, not easy from a phone
Having ended up with a list only around 100 stars that stink of something fishy (and only 2/3 that REALLY honk) I'm about to zoom out to the Rift... then take a slow journey back enjoying the sights.
Is this bonkers? It seemed the right way around in case of murderous aliens - at least I wouldn't lose as much and there's something to look forwards to on the way home if I find nothing
Is this bonkers? It seemed the right way around in case of murderous aliens - at least I wouldn't lose as much and there's something to look forwards to on the way home if I find nothing
In case of logic apply tinfoil
Totally with you on this. The whole numerology dogpile is getting tiresome. There's clues from Drew both here and from Twitter (around May 2015 if you want to go digging). In regards to the book, Drew has stated that you don't need to read it but only because the clues from the book (all or most?) have been copied onto the forums.
Heheh
It's good that the clues from the book have been copied to the forums - what bothers me about that is imagine in some other universe that the clues were never copied to the forums - that would mean that an in-game mystery absolutely required the books to be read before it could be solved.
I don't think I like that idea. An in-game mystery to solve, to me means that the storyline should rely completely on in-game storylines and clues, and that there should be no need to copypasta lines from books - even if the in-game mystery was directly or indirectly taken from said book.
In other words, the mystery should be self-contained within the game.
Regards o7
Amazon is really good about notifying customers when an update to an ebook becomes available. I bought my copy through Google Play though. I'm not sure how they handle the situation, or how Fantastic Books would notify customers either. I think how or if you'll get a notification will depend on the distribution channel from which you made your purchase.
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Excellent news Drew. I'm looking forward to seeing the change to the text.
Thanks for bringing that up. That had me puzzled as well.
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Good to know who is responsible for the grunts.
Heheh
It's good that the clues from the book have been copied to the forums - what bothers me about that is imagine in some other universe that the clues were never copied to the forums - that would mean that an in-game mystery absolutely required the books to be read before it could be solved.
I don't think I like that idea. An in-game mystery to solve, to me means that the storyline should rely completely on in-game storylines and clues, and that there should be no need to copypasta lines from books - even if the in-game mystery was directly or indirectly taken from said book.
In other words, the mystery should be self-contained within the game.
Regards o7
Elite has always been a game that relied heavily on its accompanying fiction to poulate its game universe. From the original game where story telling just wasn't possible until today Elite has always been, at least partly, reliant on the out of game fiction to paint the galaxy for us.
While it should be possible to figure out the mystery without the books we need to remember that the books ARE a part of the game universe. The books provide additional clues.
As someone said earlier ... the story of the Rift hadnt been finished. We're fishing without bait right now and will need to follow the clues that are coming. Salome is going to play a major role in the unfolding story. Remember the Rift is HER story and it would be a let down if she isn't involved in unwrapping the mystery.
Personally I don't think we'll be making major headway toward unlocking this one until after 2.1 and the reason to be in the Rift now is less about what we'll find and more about being in position for when the clues start coming.
You are right about this. It is probably the way it will go, once it starts as well.
We have not been presented with any mystery in the game, so far. What we have is basically:
- Imperial Senator Loren, visits Sol and behaves a bit peculiar.
- Loren returns to Empire and outfits her ship for exploring.
- Imperial politics makes Loren lose control of Prism.
- Loren disrepairs, leaving a medallion with the name Salome.
- looong wait....
- Commander Salome tell us that exploring is nice.
That's about it. Not even an RR-line.
The rest is constructed by players, based on the book, forum posts and other media.
The book was very much an official story with the game - I think it's contents should be taken as being part of the initial mystery. That's certainly seemed the implication especially of it being there to find since gamma. K Loren has been made an interesting character through the Galnet posts and the book is stated as being about her, the connections are all there wanting to be made
I think we've got *just* enough if we draw the right conclusions, but I think they'll be pushing us along the way eventually - the return of Salome must be significant
ps. my concern is it's buried in a weird FE style mission tree in the core systems :/ will come back and poke more at that idea if needs be
I think we've got *just* enough if we draw the right conclusions, but I think they'll be pushing us along the way eventually - the return of Salome must be significant
ps. my concern is it's buried in a weird FE style mission tree in the core systems :/ will come back and poke more at that idea if needs be
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The only time I remember that the game absolutely relied on accompanying fiction was the original Elite back when I first started playing it. Back then, when you got the box, there was an actual physical copy of The Dark Wheel.
I don't remember the same happening with Frontier: Elite II - which had no actual storyline.
I never played Frontier: First Encounters for some reason, probably Life got in the way.
And I didn't receive a PDF of any storyline when I bought Elite: Dangerous.
My main point is this: no storyline asking people to solve a mystery in this game should rely on you having to purchase some book in order to solve it. Sure, incorporate the book's storyline into the game, but do provide sufficient information and clues to the mystery to those who don't purchase said books, otherwise what's the point for the vast majority of players even caring about an in-game storyline?
Regards.
The mission system could allow for it - what if on returning from the Distant Worlds expedition, explorers are approached by an agent from <insert mysterious power> offering to buy their data?
Probably won't happen. But it could happen.
I don't think either 1.6 or 2.0 currently have that detail of programming in them.
Maybe that will change in 2.1? Who knows. In fact I suspect all this ambiguity is merely designed to keep us all occupied whilst we wait for the delayed 2.1 release and beyond.
But right now, major events, CG's etc. are manually injected. Same goes for storyline.
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You are absolutely right that the mystery should be solvable with just in-game hints. I think that will happen. Drew said something about how, when Kahina first appeared in Galnet last year, there were limitations on how Galnet was being presented that prevented the story from unfolding. The story was shelved. Now that those limitations have been lifted the story should begin progressing once again.
Just in case you are curious though, Elite: Dangerous is the first Elite that didn't come boxed with a book (Well, the Premium Backers Edition comes with "Elite: Legacy" but most folks bought a copy sans literature.
Here's the fiction that came with each of the games:
Elite - The Dark Wheel
Elite Plus - Imprint
Frontier: Elite 2 - Stories of Life on the Frontier / The Gazateer
Frontier: First Encounters - Further Stories of Life on the Frontier
Elite Dangerous upped the game by not just including a novella or collection of short stories but by providing a constellation of literature. Since they didn't come as part of the original game purchase. Does that make them DLCs?
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