The Helium Hunt: Tracking those elusive Helium-rich Gas Giants
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First, welcome to the asylum
and congrats on harvesting that boxel!That visualization looks nice (somehow reminds me of EGA graphics) and gives a nice indication of the general distribution, especially when you squint your eyes. A few questions:
- How did you come up with the 250ly grid? We know the HE% is linked to boxels, so I'd have expected a size of 80ly (D-boxel size or above), aligned with the in-game boxel-borders. That 250ly-grid will mix data that doesn't belong together (also addressed in next point) and diffuse potentially interesting local patterns.
- So I guess you took the avg of all systems within those 250ly X-/Z coordinates, disregarding the Y-coordinates, right? Might be interesting to do a 'layer' of boxels parallel to the galactic plane. Maybe that's what you're working on as per your last sentence.
- The image seems to have been resized by a rather unforgiving algorithm. Any chance you can post the original?
- A grid of coordinates or sector borders with indications of the numbers would be great, preferrably above the overlay.
First, welcome to the asylum
That visualization looks nice (somehow reminds me of EGA graphics) and gives a nice indication of the general distribution, especially when you squint your eyes. A few questions:
- How did you come up with the 250ly grid? We know the HE% is linked to boxels, so I'd have expected a size of 80ly (D-boxel size or above), aligned with the in-game boxel-borders. That 250ly-grid will mix data that doesn't belong together (also addressed in next point) and diffuse potentially interesting local patterns.
- So I guess you took the avg of all systems within those 250ly X-/Z coordinates, disregarding the Y-coordinates, right? Might be interesting to do a 'layer' of boxels parallel to the galactic plane. Maybe that's what you're working on as per your last sentence.
- The image seems to have been resized by a rather unforgiving algorithm. Any chance you can post the original?
- A grid of coordinates or sector borders with indications of the numbers would be great, preferrably above the overlay.
- The pixel size was arbitrary; because data is so sparse in certain regions, I chose to have a grid size that sort of "fills in the gaps," but I could definitely generate another one with whatever size. Thanks for the feedback about that!
- Yes, the software I used isn't really well-suited for 3D data like that, so its an average of the X/Z Coordinates. I'll see what I can come up with for that.
- I'll try, yes, but I was trying to avoid using Google Drive (links are somewhat iffy in my experience) so I just chose a random hosting website
- Will do!
I'll look more into that, but I think it's just on the edge of what can't be generated in the core region.
Lovely, thanks for sharing! Unfortunately this system isn't on EDSM, and the HE% isn't visible on the screenshot. @Alyssa: Have you chosen not to upload your data?
Based on the amount of GG (13) vs HRGG (8) I'd guess the HE% is slightly under 33%.
I don't use EDSM. I'm not sure I can, I'm on Xbox.
Yes, all of them has less than 33%. Checked them, 32,3%
If you want/choose to share your exploration data from Xbox, there's a way: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...ount-to-edsm-net-to-log-your-journeys.466747/
Thanks for looking up the HE%!
I'm so glad I found this thread! I am exploring my way to Colonia, and I came across an area that seemed to have a lot of HRGG. I decided to poke around a bit and see what I could find. Almost all the stars with HRGG were F-class stars betwee 1,100 and 1,000 million years old, but one was much younger yellow star.
- Clooku fg-n d7-274: 3 HRGGs
- Clooku fg-n d7-282: 3 HRGGs
- Clooku fg-n d7-421:1 HRGG
- Clooku fg-n d7-45: 3 HRGGs
- Clooku fg-n d7-14: 1 HRGG
- Clooku fg-n dy-267: 3 HRGGs
Nice!
Any way you could go back into the system maps and see what the Helium content of those systems are?
Hi Fellow Explorers!
Just a quick question...
Has anyone else noticed that when you find Helium Rich systems ALL the gas planets willnot be classed as Helium Rich. even though % is the same ?
(This has just happened to me... 5 Helium Rich but another 6 Gas Giants beside, not classed as Helium Rich but % the same as Helium Rich ?)
Just a quick question...
Has anyone else noticed that when you find Helium Rich systems ALL the gas planets willnot be classed as Helium Rich. even though % is the same ?
(This has just happened to me... 5 Helium Rich but another 6 Gas Giants beside, not classed as Helium Rich but % the same as Helium Rich ?)
Yes, that is pretty normal. The Helium percentage is for the system and so all gas giants will have the same percentage, and typically, the higher the percentage, the more gas giants will be classified as Helium Rich Gas Giants.
Sure:
- Clooku fg-n d7-274: 3 HRGGs: 32.2% helium
- Clooku fg-n d7-282: 3 HRGGs: 31.8%
- Clooku fg-n d7-421:1 HRGG: 31.8%
- Clooku fg-n d7-45: 3 HRGGs: 31.9%
- Clooku fg-n d7-14: 1 HRGG: 31.2%
- Clooku fg-n dy-267: 3 HRGGs: 31.9%
I've been surveying Hypio Gree NI-I d10. Most of the HRGGs I'm finding are around 31.6% The most interesting aspect of these helium-rich systems is how consistently large they can get, it's very rare to see a system with less than 20 bodies. Even systems without HRGGs can be pretty interesting. Also noticed that one of the shepherd ELWs is in a helium-rich boxel.
Yes, systems with a high HE% (and thus a higher chance of HRGG) tend to have an above average amount of bodies. I can't back that up with numbers, but I definitely got that impression also.
One other thing I noticed back then and did verify on a small sample was that many of the most massive Water Worlds were within systems with high HE%. Maybe @Orvidius can work his SQL-magic on the larger data set we have nowadays to verify if that's still the case?
One other thing I noticed back then and did verify on a small sample was that many of the most massive Water Worlds were within systems with high HE%. Maybe @Orvidius can work his SQL-magic on the larger data set we have nowadays to verify if that's still the case?
4 out of the top 10 largest systems have HRGGs and most of the ones that don't have a helium content of just under 30%. Even the lost, 147 body system appears to have HRGGs.
Recently I stumbled across an area where more B-class stars did have HRGGs than didn't. I had limited time since the carrier I've been riding was about to leave, so I did only limited exploration there. Managed to find the following systems:
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-21: 45 bodies, 11 HRGGs, 33.6% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-39: 78 bodies, 9 HRGGs, 32.5% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-116: 32 bodies, 8 HRGGs, 33.1% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-115: 17 bodies, 6 HRGGs, 34.4% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-143: 22 bodies, 5 HRGGs, 33.3% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-178: 40 bodies, 5 HRGGs, 35.1% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-94: 14 bodies, 5 HRGGs, 34.1% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-112: 13 bodies, 4 HRGGs, 34.0% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-73: 53 bodies, 4 HRGGs, 34.0% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-45: 24 bodies, 3 HRGGs, 32.9% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-5: 29 bodies, 3 HRGGs, 32.9% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-76: 55 bodies, 3 HRGGs, 32.7% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-60: 21 bodies, 3 HRGGs, 32.8% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-172: 10 bodies, 3 HRGGs, 33.6% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-87: 12 bodies, 2 HRGGs, 34.9% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-111: 15 bodies, 2 HRGGs, 32.2% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-71: 17 bodies, 2 HRGGs, 33.2% He
- MYNOAW QI-T e3-147: 20 bodies, 2 HRGGs, 32.2% He
Would someone enlighten me about this 'boxel' thing? Have seen it several times, and know it is a portion of the system name, but other then that could not make much sense of it. Pretty please?