The Mining nerf was likely the worst implementation of a Balancing in Years...
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Which is exactly what you are doing...
Or so it appears to one who has read the dialogue from both sides of your 'argument' (which is all you appear to wish for).
So when I tell you that I have earned approximately 7 billion profit from trade in the past week, will you call me a liar too?
(as a FC owner you may even recognise how I am able to generate such large earnings)
I would call you Dishonest Yes.
Because Honesty also includes not to be misleading on Purpose.
I told you before that using an FC to get Money is not Valid because you already Finished the Grind anyways.
And you know that.
Yet you keep throwing it in pretending I never explained that.
I made only 1 Billion last week on my FC.
But I did it barely lifting a Finger myself.
So I am pretty sure 7 Billion is Possible if I bothered doing some work.
Thing is. Why would you bother Posting that ?
Do you think using your FC to make Money is a Viable Method for someone Grinding his FC ?
Do you think this is relevant to the Topic ?
Do you think repeatedly pretending that I am just complaining about the Mining Nerf was Honest ?
Telling Partial Information.
Telling Out of Context Information.
Ignoring Information and Answering as if it wasnt there.
Imagine this.
This 1 Billion I made pretty much on 1 Day by Buying Painite and then just selling it 400ly away. Over 3 Thousand Tons of it.
But what if I acted like you ?
Imagine this Statement.
I am a Miner. And this Sunday I made 1 Billion with just 2 Hours of work.
This Statement is Completely True. There is no Lie in it.
But given you know truth I told you above.
Would you consider that being Honest ?
What I see is consistently worse than worse case numbers for every non-mining income source shown to you. 5 hours to run a few faction missions? 50 mil per hour...
Anyone actually doing this stuff can see your "estimates" for mining are optimistic, and for everything else absurdly pessimistic.
So doing everything, except backing your own assertions with data, to be right.
So, click bait title, dishonest and disingenuous interaction. Good troll I guess, 6 for 10 on page count.
Anyone actually doing this stuff can see your "estimates" for mining are optimistic, and for everything else absurdly pessimistic.
So doing everything, except backing your own assertions with data, to be right.
So, click bait title, dishonest and disingenuous interaction. Good troll I guess, 6 for 10 on page count.
It's a psychology thing. OP made two key assertions:
1. Mining used to pay 100-150Mcr/hour but is now nerfed to 20-40.
2. No other earning method approaches 100-150Mcr/hour.
The problem OP now has is that both of these statements look shaky, but OP doesn't like being wrong. Ideas for surpassing these earning levels may have been intended to be helpful, but they are felt by OP as simple contradictions which just get in the way of the original rant.
Kinda agree on this , unless you have some objective (FC) that cost credit and you wanna do it fast. I think that having credit making focused activity is not that bad for the game .. and i think mining was kinda perfect to take this place . i guess i was wrong ^^.
But in the end yeah if you'r having fun, credit are not a problem in this game because they come naturaly. (even if bounty was weak on this side considering you'll need good ship for that, so i'm ok with the bounty buff)
Dunno who you'r talking about but i'v got theses numbers : laser mining , painite is atm at 75mil/h without the selling time. (and it is quite hight given the current demands numbers) . You can still sit on a solid 60mil/h i think.
Trading mission are the simpliest way to make money atm (imo) as they offer 37mil for 180T of paladium. you dont often have these so i'll say it's about 250mil/H , but can be better in the right system i think.
So, should I not be enjoying my time in the game if I’m not and have never made the mega-bucks? Must’ve been playing it wrong 
well it should not be negatively impact your gameplay either. I can understand that you wanna fully enjoy all ships of the game while nothaving to play 1000H of a boring version of your beloved activity to do that.So, should I not be enjoying my time in the game if I’m not and have never made the mega-bucks? Must’ve been playing it wrong
But i kinda liked mining for that , if youwanted to have some ship faster you had this way. The diff was to huge i'm ok with that , but now it's quite the opposite.
ANd yes people are maybe a bit to focused on credit
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No we can't!
I do not agree that anything I said is dishonest - I planned to, and bought, a fleet carrier for this account (which is one of my alts) and equipped it. You may consider that there is nothing to do once a FC has been purchased - which is dishonest in itself - so I am happy to continue playing the game, and gaining a great deal of entertainment from it as it just keeps on giving me things to do and enjoy - you have my permission to be as miserable and argumentative as you wish... I'm ok, thanks
No we don't.
I do not agree that anything I said is dishonest - I planned to, and bought, a fleet carrier for this account (which is one of my alts) and equipped it. You may consider that there is nothing to do once a FC has been purchased - which is dishonest in itself - so I am happy to continue playing the game, and gaining a great deal of entertainment from it as it just keeps on giving me things to do and enjoy - you have my permission to be as miserable and argumentative as you wish... I'm ok, thanks
Lets Break that Apart.
1.
You say you do not agree with me saying you are Dishonest. This is meaningless. Cause I already Provided Several Examples of you being Dishonest.
2.
You then add to that First Statement. That you Planned and Bought a Fleet Carrier for your Account. Which is completely Unrelated to my Statement that you keep using Fleet Carrier Profits as a Viable Method for Farming Money assuming everyone just has one Ignoring the Fact that the Primary Reason to Farm Money like that is to get a Fleet Carrier.
3.
You now Point out that you still have a Reason to Grind Money after getting a Fleet Carrier. Which is still completely Unrelated to the Problem of having a Fleet Carrier meaning you dont really need to Grind Money anymore or others Simply not having a Fleet Carrier and thus not having that Option.
Albeit I would still Challenge that. And I yes I know you will Jump at this and only this and Dishonest as you are Ignore everything else I said just like you did in your Post just now. Because no. Once you got a Fleet Carrier there really is no more Reason to Grind Money. The amount you need to Fully Equip the FC isnt that Big. And if you Grinded 5 Billion last Week. That basicly means you could now Log off for 10 Years without bothering as you basicly got so much Credits you can Pay its Upkeep without needing any Additional Money.
4.
You then Claim that daring to have the Opinion that you dont really need to Grind Money once you already got your FC would be Dishonest. Which is in itself a Joke not really Requiring further Commenting.
5.
After that you then go for the "Oh I only Play like this because I have Fun with it" Route. Which is Dishonest. Because if you only Play for the Fun then it makes no Difference if a Method is Efficient or Widely Available. Neither does it make any sense to Challenge others on these Methods. After all. You just do Fun. Not Efficient Grinding.
6.
And Finally. You go with the usual Personal Attack. Calling me Miserable and Claiming I am just trying to Argue. Which is another Lie right in my Face. But hey. I know you a bit already. So nothing Unexpected I guess.
Summed Up.
You have Dishonestly completely Ignored the Majority of Statements of my Post. You then also Dishonestly distorted the Meaning of one of my Statements and Addressed it in a completely misleading way. And have Finally after that gone for another Personal Attack with no real Value to the Topic.
Yeeeah. Very Convincing Mate.
@Sunleader
I said I wouldn’t follow this thread anymore, and I won’t, but I still have a few words to say to you.
First - look at the picture here below and think about it for a moment. And then - if I were you - I would ask a moderator to lock this thread so you can put this behind you. And so we can all put this behind us, and so the last word is said. You can start on a fresh, new chapter then. Think about it, and don’t respond with something like you are the one being attacked....... let opinions be the past.... No hard feelings.
Just ask a moderator to lock the thread and let that be the end of it.
A friendly advice from me.
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I said I wouldn’t follow this thread anymore, and I won’t, but I still have a few words to say to you.
First - look at the picture here below and think about it for a moment. And then - if I were you - I would ask a moderator to lock this thread so you can put this behind you. And so we can all put this behind us, and so the last word is said. You can start on a fresh, new chapter then. Think about it, and don’t respond with something like you are the one being attacked....... let opinions be the past.... No hard feelings.
Just ask a moderator to lock the thread and let that be the end of it.
A friendly advice from me.
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That's what you are doing. It would probably help if you stop calling people dishonest as soon as they disagree with you.
Especially if we consider that you lied, were dishonest and didn't admit it when your claims were blatantly wrong. The whole thread is pretty embarrassing if you ask me.
/pleaseclose
Your Welcome.
But me Entertaining their Constant Derailing on my Topic isnt exactly because I hope they would ever Agree to a Word I say. I know Perfectly well that they never Will.
Which is not Surprising because more than Half of these Guys have been on my Ignore List before I even Opened this Topic.
And I have a Distinct Feeling that the main Reason they keep going for it has really little to do with their Actual Opinions on the Original Topic.
That is unfortunately also the Problem regarding your Advice. Even If I asked a Mod to Lock this Topic. This Scenerie would Simply Continue in whatever other Topic I decide to Support an Opinion.
So I can just as well allow them to Keep this Nice Topic Title I choose, high up in the Activity List
By the way. You might not care.
But I finally Finished my Rep Grind. So I am now Allied with most Factions in an Extraction System thats in Boom State.
Results so far are Mixed tough.
3 Runs Yesterday.
After 8 Hours of Rep Grind.
1. Run
1 Hour and 8 Minutes. Total Profit 43 Million. (1 Mission of 32 Million. Rest was small Stuff and Data Delivery that went to the same Stations I already had Targets in)
2. Run
1. Hour and 22 Minutes. Total Profit 122 Million. (1 Mission for 35 Million and 2 more with over 20 Million as well as some 10 Million ones. Rest small Stuff.)
3. Run
52 Minutes. Total Profit 28 Million. (Biggest Mission was 11 Million. Waited 3 Refreshes on the Station. But no Luck on the Missions. So I just took smaller stuff and moved on)
Thats certainly Decent Income once you Finished the Rep Grind and thus can actually Earn Profits.
But also seems to be Pretty Random in Results sometimes.
Question.
Do you actually Look out for Boom Systems and then Grind them up to Allied Rep ?
Or do you just Stay inside an Area where you are Allied with everyone and wait for Booms to happen in these Systems ?