Modes The modes are brilliant!

[Rhino Hammer]

Ive done it already Agony. Im not happy with its current state. Lots of us arent. Remember there are people happy with it. And some that arent.

But my player group has expanded into 25 systems. Im well aware of how it works, what it takes. And what happens when people attack other player factions. We fight sometimes up to 5 different groups at once. Plus Bots apparently.

If you read my posts, like actually read them instead of trying to counter argue for the sake of it. You would see and know I have the experience and have for quite sometime.

Im the best PVEVPER in Elite Dangerous.

Im Brabens Gift to this game. You should know that by now.

For someone so educated on how Elite Dangerous works, you don’t do a lot of research on games before you buy them. Especially if you and all your friends are upset about how it works wrt PP/BGS. Do you always just buy a game and then try to change it to what you personally prefer afterwards?

Edit:autocorrect

 

[Jockey79]

For someone so educated on how Eliteangerous works, you don’t do a lot of research on games before you buy them. Especially if you and all your friends are upset about how it works wrt PP/BGS. Do you always just buy a game and then try to change it to what you personally prefer afterwards?

ikr

People like this are funny. But they tend to burn out after a year or two.
Then our forum content dries up until the "smart" person buys the game without reading up on it and we start all over again.

 

[Ozric]

Citation Granted,

https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDange...play_imperials_and_grom_fight_with_no_honour/

Sorry that doesn't match up with your statement that people aren't pvping because they don't want to.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

For someone so educated on how Elite Dangerous works, you don’t do a lot of research on games before you buy them. Especially if you and all your friends are upset about how it works wrt PP/BGS. Do you always just buy a game and then try to change it to what you personally prefer afterwards?

Edit:autocorrect

It goes like this, Powerplay was released at the time. It was touted to be the PVP outlet of the game. I was excited, thats why I bought it. Finally a FPS Space style game. Check out some Archon Fury Videos. Awesome PVPer there. Based around powerplay.

No where did I see the modes would be an Issue. That wasnt said anywhere.

Its like trying to dig for Brabens vague reddit comment that Elite Dangerous pertains to rank within the game on reddit. You'd have to dig for to find.

Sometime went by. They did some upgrades my CPU at the time couldnt handle the game. Got a new one. Started my streaming career. Got deep into the game. Found out what Hotel california was when I posted a "original idea" About giving PVP meaning to this game instead of being labelled a griefer.

The only reason Im asking for change here. Is because Fdev knows about risk Vs reward, what happens from mode to mode. And why the PVP outlet has failed because of it.

Just trying to figure why they have been so quiet it about it in general. Doesnt make sense... or does it?

Sorry that doesn't match up with your statement that people aren't pvping because they don't want to.

Sure it does. Its not optimal to.

You may not like it. Deny it. DO whatever you please.

Truth has SERVED you in the face. Remember?

 

[Cosmos]

The way the design has made it possible for players to be able to adjust their game upon their mood or preferred play style is absolutely genius. Especially because there are no downsides on choosing one mode over the other. You log into the game, you decide, you play. You can fly around the galaxy undisturbed, fly with like minded people, or face the slings and arrows of public mode. Elite isn't hampered by players who deem a system "their system" and dictate how other people play, only when those other players have signed up for it are. Just as it should be.

Personally, I will never jump through a player's hoops. Game developers are the only people who I allow to construct such hoops. And this has always been a barrier for me to play MMOs. Elite's system makes it possible for me to play that MMO, on my own terms and under the rules the developers have set. Now I've seen all the threads of would be Napoleonic Little Tyrants who would love nothing more than me to dance for them, and they'll argue how it's unfair they can't make me dance for them, and for me that is testament the modes are working as designed.

So, tip of the hat to Frontier, who made it possible for an occasional reclusive as me to enjoy an MMO on my terms, and even be tempted to dip my toes in social events in that MMO.
https://m.popkey.co/369be0/Gy0e_f-maxage-0.gif

The only thing missing is a "do not disturb" comms message. But that's not the modes fault.

By the way, the mods are brilliant as well!
And sometimes, even the mood is brilliant.

I'm loving the sarcasm..

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Oh I know a lot about people like you 90s, which is why I find you amusing.

More and more game Devs are making their games so people like you cannot keep trolling and bulling other players.
And the salt on the forums from your kind is delicious.

You haven't even seen delicious salt yet

 

[Jockey79]

It goes like this, Powerplay was released at the time. It was touted to be the PVP outlet of the game.

Actually it was touted to be a reason for consensual PvP.

But you seemed to wilfully ignore the consensual part.

Its like trying to dig for Brabens vague reddit comment that Elite Dangerous pertains to rank within the game on reddit. You'd have to dig for to find.

Dig?

Never heard of Google?

Took me 9 seconds to find;

[video=youtube;rOYhoFYIWmw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOYhoFYIWmw&feature=youtu.be&t=7m57s[/video]

And you're demanding change because your spiteful.
You hate others can play without you.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I'm loving the sarcasm..

Some may not know this was Ziggys post a while back.

I do agree with most of it. I think its well said to be honest. The only thing I think should change is when players intentionally effect each other. To create that Funnel or Hoop for meaningful PVP.

They tried with Powerplay but it failed because of the modes. Its just mainly used for module hopping. There are some people involved though and I gotta hand it to them for staying with it.

I just hope they change something. I do love PVP in this game. Id just like to see it done over objectives with no option to use another mode because you lose, or even the relaxed builds within those modes, granting you more cargo space, jump range and in turn more missions to boot. Instead of Defenses against someone like me.

Thats the only thing Id like to see changed.

Other than that. Everything Ziggy said, that I Copied here is sound.

 

[Ozric]

Doesnt make sense... or does it?

Yes it makes perfect sense, you've been told multiple times, you know yourself that PvP is not and has never been a priority for the creators of the game. The fact you choose to ignore that favouring blunt ignorance in the hope it will win you some support, is rather sad to be honest.

Sure it does. Its not optimal to.

You may not like it. Deny it. DO whatever you please.

Truth has SERVED you in the face. Remember?

Truth has served me in the face??? What does that even mean?


Just because for a small fraction of the community it is not optimal to, does not equate to "people arent pvping because they dont want to."

If I want to PvP, I do. If I don't, I don't. Sorry.

Some people don't PvP because they don't want to, in fact some people never play in Open because they don't want interaction with others.

Some people PvP because they want to, doesn't matter whether it's optimal if you enjoy it.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Actually it was touted to be a reason for consensual PvP.

But you seemed to wilfully ignore the consensual part.



Dig?

Never heard of Google?

Took me 9 seconds to find;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOYhoFYIWmw&feature=youtu.be&t=7m57s

And you're demanding change because your spiteful.
You hate others can play without you.

COnsensual PVP as you know what youre getting into when you sign up for Powerplay. Not Consensual as im going to take these objectives, I dont want to PVP today so I stay in the mode. Thats not what he meant. We both know that.

 

[TieKnee]

OP, stated perfectly... good post , +1 ... thanks for the read !!

 

[Jockey79]

COnsensual PVP as you know what youre getting into when you sign up for Powerplay. Not Consensual as im going to take these objectives, I dont want to PVP today so I stay in the mode. Thats not what he meant. We both know that.

Consensual PP PvP = playing PP open or in a PvP PG
PP PvE (no PvP) = playing PP in Solo / PG

Which is what was advertised.

You chose to ignore that and seem to want sympathy for your mistake.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

Yes it makes perfect sense, you've been told multiple times, you know yourself that PvP is not and has never been a priority for the creators of the game. The fact you choose to ignore that favouring blunt ignorance in the hope it will win you some support, is rather sad to be honest.




Truth has served me in the face??? What does that even mean?


Just because for a small fraction of the community it is not optimal to, does not equate to "people arent pvping because they dont want to."

If I want to PvP, I do. If I don't, I don't. Sorry.

Some people don't PvP because they don't want to, in fact some people never play in Open because they don't want interaction with others.

Some people PvP because they want to, doesn't matter whether it's optimal if you enjoy it.

Its not optimal due to ship builds and Metas.

Ill explain one more time.

In colonia, the best way to make an impact is to use a medium sized ship.

The python being the META ship in this case, has 3 size 6 optional internal slots.

For Open play youd use shields, maybe a SCB or two against someone with premium ammo. Removing cargo space and passenger slots.

Which means more +++++ missions and you dont have to worry about the people you are at "war" with killing your ship for Rebuy, Stopping your Influence youd make by turning in those missions and so on.

PVP does mean something there. But that meaning is taken away with those modes because its not optimal to be out there. Knowing you could be stopped. WHO IS GOING TO TAKE THE CHANCE OF BEING STOPPED AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE IF THEY DONT HAVE TO?

Like seriously. Use your head.

Thats why this is a problem. Either people with no experience are talking here. Or people with experience dont want to be stopped. Because they know they would be with Direct PVP.

Direct PVP has no place in Elite because its not optimal. You get everything done in the other modes here INTENTIONALLY not Optionally. Its created a META within the modes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnYXTh4TCVo <~ This guy straight out proves this point.

Im here asking for PVP to be given its place among players that are intentionally effecting one another to begin with.

There should be NOTHING wrong with defending your systems by shooting someone in them and even collecting their bounty a mechanic within the game. But you cant collect that when they hide in private and solo with the intent of effecting you.

As a mod you and maynard should know better. Shame on you both to be honest.

 

[Stigbob]

I'm loving the sarcasm..

I loved how unintentionally accurate it was.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

It goes like this, Powerplay was released at the time. It was touted to be the PVP outlet of the game. I was excited, thats why I bought it. Finally a FPS Space style game. Check out some Archon Fury Videos. Awesome PVPer there. Based around powerplay.

No where did I see the modes would be an Issue. That wasnt said anywhere.

Its like trying to dig for Brabens vague reddit comment that Elite Dangerous pertains to rank within the game on reddit. You'd have to dig for to find.

Sometime went by. They did some upgrades my CPU at the time couldnt handle the game. Got a new one. Started my streaming career. Got deep into the game. Found out what Hotel california was when I posted a "original idea" About giving PVP meaning to this game instead of being labelled a griefer.

The only reason Im asking for change here. Is because Fdev knows about risk Vs reward, what happens from mode to mode. And why the PVP outlet has failed because of it.

Just trying to figure why they have been so quiet it about it in general. Doesnt make sense... or does it?



Sure it does. Its not optimal to.

You may not like it. Deny it. DO whatever you please.

Truth has SERVED you in the face. Remember?

Modes are not an issue. And, as you said, when given a choice people will choose to avoid direct PvP.

PP was advertised and marketed to be available to all players from the beginning. And this game has always had a shared universe. And then the game creator and majority shareholder clarified that solo would have impact on PP. No real confusion there.

Taking an elitist and exclusionary mindset to game improvement is divisive. Trying to exclude established player groups because some people didn’t take the time to learn how a game works before purchase is divisive.

 

[Stigbob]

Its like trying to dig for Brabens vague reddit comment that Elite Dangerous pertains to rank within the game on reddit. You'd have to dig for to find.

If you like that DBOBE quote you'll love this one "What would I want from a game ?, I want to be able to play a great game without being griefed by teenagers."

7 minutes in :

Spoiler

Spoiler

[video=youtube;N9ENkIB0cic]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ENkIB0cic[/video]

 

[Roybe]

Happy April Fools day. Take one day away from the subforum...and 90's comes up with comedic gold....and another 117 posts telling him he's still wrong!

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

If you like that DBOBE quote you'll love this one "What would I want from a game ?, I want to be able to play a great game without being griefed by teenagers."

7 minutes in :

Spoiler

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ENkIB0cic

Maybe the word grief is in the game because thats all there is. Maybe he should have used his wonderful brain to give PVP meaning besides griefing eh?

Happy April Fools day. Take one day away from the subforum...and 90's comes up with comedic gold....and another 117 posts telling him he's still wrong!

What happens when the day comes that Ive been right the whole time.

Boy thats gonna be a hard pill to swallow.

 

[Rhino Hammer]

Its not optimal due to ship builds and Metas.

Ill explain one more time.

In colonia, the best way to make an impact is to use a medium sized ship.

The python being the META ship in this case, has 3 size 6 optional internal slots.

For Open play youd use shields, maybe a SCB or two against someone with premium ammo. Removing cargo space and passenger slots.

Which means more +++++ missions and you dont have to worry about the people you are at "war" with killing your ship for Rebuy, Stopping your Influence youd make by turning in those missions and so on.

PVP does mean something there. But that meaning is taken away with those modes because its not optimal to be out there. Knowing you could be stopped. WHO IS GOING TO TAKE THE CHANCE OF BEING STOPPED AGAINST OTHER PEOPLE IF THEY DONT HAVE TO?

Like seriously. Use your head.

Thats why this is a problem. Either people with no experience are talking here. Or people with experience dont want to be stopped. Because they know they would be with Direct PVP.

Direct PVP has no place in Elite because its not optimal. You get everything done in the other modes here INTENTIONALLY not Optionally. Its created a META within the modes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnYXTh4TCVo <~ This guy straight out proves this point.

Im here asking for PVP to be given its place among players that are intentionally effecting one another to begin with.

There should be NOTHING wrong with defending your systems by shooting someone in them and even collecting their bounty a mechanic within the game. But you cant collect that when they hide in private and solo with the intent of effecting you.

As a mod you and maynard should know better. Shame on you both to be honest.

Again, you have said that when given the choice people will choose to avoid direct PvP. They would rather engage in objective based PvE than to engage in meaningful PvP. So the vast majority of people do not want to engage in meaningful PvP. I’m fairly certain that’s why you’ll never see a change in modes.

 

[Jockey79]

What happens when the day comes that Ive been right the whole time.

I'm not sure any of us will live long enough to see that, and I'm immortal