The Codex really is quite a bit different than many of us envisioned. It is indeed just a list of things that can be found. Nothing comprehensive about it. It will show the very first discovery of a particular type in a particular region. That is what shows up as reported. Once something has been found, that is the only time it will show up in the Codex. One the player has found the same type of thing anywhere in the region, it goes confirmed. That is the one and only thing that gets listed there for the player. So at most, each entry will show two entries. First reported, and confirmed. If the player is the first one to find the thing in the region, they will only show one entry. The Records in the players confirmation entry in their Codex does not update or change. It only shows the stats of the confirmation system, and indicates them as records.
The New "Stellar Phenomenon" - A Week Within
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The Codex really is quite a bit different than many of us envisioned. It is indeed just a list of things that can be found. Nothing comprehensive about it. It will show the very first discovery of a particular type in a particular region. That is what shows up as reported. Once something has been found, that is the only time it will show up in the Codex. One the player has found the same type of thing anywhere in the region, it goes confirmed. That is the one and only thing that gets listed there for the player. So at most, each entry will show two entries. First reported, and confirmed. If the player is the first one to find the thing in the region, they will only show one entry. The Records in the players confirmation entry in their Codex does not update or change. It only shows the stats of the confirmation system, and indicates them as records.
I've been searching but I've not found any "stellar phenomenon" yet. I've scoured a few nebulas but all I found were normal surface geology and tons of bark mounds biologics in there.
I did find some rainbow glowing pumpkins in a random system, but they are bugged and can't currently be scanned nor entered into the Codex. Frontier is aware, hopefully it gets fixed soon.
Still looking to find new stuff!
Thank you, Straha - that is a very clear explanation!
For me then, it seems to serve little purpose other than act like one of those old sticker-collection books, that you might go hunting for the last few items to complete the list. Sort of like Pokemon in space in some ways
EGO and EDDiscovery provide much better repositories of information for a personal basis and for history tracking.
Thanks again for the explanation
For me then, it seems to serve little purpose other than act like one of those old sticker-collection books, that you might go hunting for the last few items to complete the list. Sort of like Pokemon in space in some ways
EGO and EDDiscovery provide much better repositories of information for a personal basis and for history tracking.
Thanks again for the explanation
Well... Either the rumours they inserted so far were already found, or they are missing. We'll see.Hmmm. What with the Codex being its own problem, I guess these "Rumours" will be rolled out later on, if ever (maybe they're still fixing bugs?). I tend to not trust FD's promises at this point
As for FD's promises: they are often technically true, but in a disappointing way. Take the lesser content updates, for example. Or if by seeding megaships and deep space installations all over the galaxy, they really meant just all over the bubble, as Edelgard wrote. (I'm fairly certain they said deep space, but maybe the inside of the bubble is deep space for them too.)
Or the Codex. Back then, when we knew nothing but its name, I mentioned that it might just be a personal achievements tab. For the Codex's exploration part, that's pretty much what we have gotten: it's just the achievements can be unlocked by the community before you can see what exactly they are. It would have been better if they cleared the Codex up before, as even now, there are still misconceptions about it - but perhaps FD themselves didn't know what they could implement in time for the release.
@ Ian Doncaster: It's good that you mentioned Unknown Artefacts, because that was great design, and in my opinion the most fun puzzle the game has had so far. Then again, I was one of those who spent time and got some results trying to figure the message out, so I'm probably biased. However, the artefacts added not only some mystery, but plenty of interaction as well. Especially in the form of UA bombing. Trait discovery is a genuinely good idea, but if there's nothing to poking space marine life, then it would be a waste of opportunity. Well, if not now, then they'll hopefully expand upon it later.
Oh, and mind you, in massively multiplayer games like this, most of the new content added is quickly found within days. While I'm fairly certain there's stuff we've yet to find, I'd be willing to bet that by now, we have found the majority of kinds that we can currently(!) find.
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I hope not, but: I have been yesterday and today in 4 nebulae in the Norma Arm: BYUA AIM AA-A H16 / BYUA AIM AA-A H63 / IOWHAIL AA-A H33 / BOEPP AA-A H83
I have searched in dozens systems in the nebulae. Found not 1 NSP, too. Then I decided to go to nebuala GREAE PHIO AA-A H33, where the all the things from the CODEX, which are in NSPs (Lagrange Clouds, Metallic Crystals, Reel Molluscs and Solid Metal Spheres), were noted
Guess what happened? In the 3rd system (of course none which is mentioned in the Codex) in the nebula I have jumped in, I have found 2 NSPs.
2 jumps further I have found the next system with an NSP. So far I have been in 14 systems in this nebula and 5 had NSPs...
I'm not surprised.
I've stopped this weekend after 20kly in a Mamba, 2 big nebulae and 8 planetary nebulae, and haven't found anything. I'm also in the Norma Arm, I left IOWHAIL this afternoon and I'm now in one of the PNs near the north border of the region. I'll try my luck in the Elysian Something during the week.
It feels like something is off, somehow.
Have people noticed the list of observed "Traits" for some of these phenomena?
For example, scanning the Q9 or squid phenomena with the composition scanner initially just lists the entity but re-scanning after various interactions reveals various "traits" such as flying towards the ship and flying away when attacked. Sorry, no screenshots of these codex trait listings but here's a couple of things I saw this morning ...
While the possible interactions are disappointingly limited (I really thought at one point I might be able to scoop a Q9) the "traits" do at least seem to tell us when we've found all the things we can observe (i.e. it tells us when there are more traits to be observed - sorry again, can't remember the exact wording).
P.S. it seems that "admiring a Fuel Rat decal" is not one of the listed "traits"!
For example, scanning the Q9 or squid phenomena with the composition scanner initially just lists the entity but re-scanning after various interactions reveals various "traits" such as flying towards the ship and flying away when attacked. Sorry, no screenshots of these codex trait listings but here's a couple of things I saw this morning ...
While the possible interactions are disappointingly limited (I really thought at one point I might be able to scoop a Q9) the "traits" do at least seem to tell us when we've found all the things we can observe (i.e. it tells us when there are more traits to be observed - sorry again, can't remember the exact wording).
P.S. it seems that "admiring a Fuel Rat decal" is not one of the listed "traits"!
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I have noticed the traits. You need to scan several critters and they need to be doing the thing while scanning for a trait to be recorded.
Someone asked if these have any scientific basis. I can't recall where but I have heard that scientists of some sort were consulted as to their possibility. Probably on one of the content creator's round tables or something similar.
Someone asked if these have any scientific basis. I can't recall where but I have heard that scientists of some sort were consulted as to their possibility. Probably on one of the content creator's round tables or something similar.
The traits are nice, but do they have any importance beyond getting listed in the Codex? The ones I've seen so far don't change how you interact with them.
However, the information listed about where various stuff might be found led me to conclude something. Since many of those are around places which have either valuable planet types, or specific star types, that means that there's not much point for me to waste time on scanning colder star systems with only rocky / icy / HMCP bodies.
However, the information listed about where various stuff might be found led me to conclude something. Since many of those are around places which have either valuable planet types, or specific star types, that means that there's not much point for me to waste time on scanning colder star systems with only rocky / icy / HMCP bodies.
My point exactly when I mentionned "filling the space in between [POIs]". I don't particularly fancy re-visiting places I know because they quasi-alone have the new stuff. That doesn't make the Galaxy richer to me, just even more unbalanced in content.
Oh, and I forgot nebulae. Which cuts down the search area enormously, making the spatial distribution of content much less balance, as you just said. Unfortunately, that also means bark mounds all over the place. To the point where I also ignore Biological POIs around nebulae, not just Geological ones. To date, I haven't heard of any examples of Commanders finding new human / Guardian / Thargoid POIs that we didn't already know about.
Almost a week in, I've yet to find any Lagrangian clouds not already discovered, so I wouldn't be surprised if it really is true that a given region has them around only one nebula, except for proto-Lagrangian clouds, which also have much less variety in their contents. That also means that some of the outer regions won't have them, as they don't have any nebulae.
Almost a week in, I've yet to find any Lagrangian clouds not already discovered, so I wouldn't be surprised if it really is true that a given region has them around only one nebula, except for proto-Lagrangian clouds, which also have much less variety in their contents. That also means that some of the outer regions won't have them, as they don't have any nebulae.
I really, really hope the content isn't limited to the nebulae like that. I'm OK with it being more rare in the "in between" spaces, but not absent, because as said above, that just unbalances things even further. Who can hope to discover a new system with new phenomena within, if the new phenomena are limited to areas that have been tagged to death over the last 4 years?
Anyway, on the point of the phenomena themselves, I'm thrilled about the space life. I know others feel that it's a little too fantasy, and perhaps that's true, but it's one of those things that I would be very excited to discover in reality. I love marine biology for its diverse and alien forms, and having fantasy creatures out there will spice it up from my perspective. I know not everyone will agree. I'm just saying that I'm glad we have it now, even if it's limited in interaction.
The Q-Types are an odd case though. For now I'm going to think of them as Ball Lightning, which for a long time was dismissed as unsubstantiated, and even now is not terribly well understood. They sound ridiculous, orbs of plasma that can sometimes pass through walls or window glass, and are often electrically attracted to objects, sometimes including people. Occasionally nature can completely surprise us with things that seem like they should be pure fantasy.
Anyway, on the point of the phenomena themselves, I'm thrilled about the space life. I know others feel that it's a little too fantasy, and perhaps that's true, but it's one of those things that I would be very excited to discover in reality. I love marine biology for its diverse and alien forms, and having fantasy creatures out there will spice it up from my perspective. I know not everyone will agree. I'm just saying that I'm glad we have it now, even if it's limited in interaction.
The Q-Types are an odd case though. For now I'm going to think of them as Ball Lightning, which for a long time was dismissed as unsubstantiated, and even now is not terribly well understood. They sound ridiculous, orbs of plasma that can sometimes pass through walls or window glass, and are often electrically attracted to objects, sometimes including people. Occasionally nature can completely surprise us with things that seem like they should be pure fantasy.
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I only found two SP, both outside nebula.
I found one far away from nebulae too, but as marx had mentioned above, it seems that those are usually "proto" L-clouds with less variety of critters in them, if they have any at all. Most of the others that people have been finding or mentioning seem to be in or very near to nebulae, where they will be quite numerous. So far it seems stacked in favor of nebulae.
I understand that it may be very early to raise the matter, but since the Elite community has always been extremely quick to uncover the new stuff after a release, the last few days have me slightly concerned.
My question is: has anyone seen an actual stellar phenomenon?
We have been told about "new stellar phenomenon" (plural?) for a while but so far, coloured clouds and fantasy 3D assets that shine or buzz don't really qualify.
On top of that, a quick look at the Codex and I see reports in various regions, however all coming from the same nebula/planetary nebula within that region. I'm currently scouting in the Normal Expanse, and after 30 systems or so in a different nebula, I found nothing. I'm visiting a few PNs right now, nothing yet. What gives? Does the Codex list only the first location reported for each kind in each region, or have these phenomena actually only been found in a single location in each region so far?
And finally, I'm not sure I understand the point of this apparent rarity. Since the discoveries are shared in the Codex, anybody can go visit them, which --to me-- undermines the search for rares. It only leaves most players with a location to travel to, and we're mostly back to tourism. It also seems that these phenomena spawn in nebulae/PNs and real catalogue stars, which were already POIs in their own right. I was hoping for the new content to fill the very empty space in between, and not add another layer to our known POIs...
Again, it's probably way too early to draw trends, but after 15kly of nothing this weekend, I'm a bit dubious. This new content looks like a bust for explorers who --like me-- hoped for actual stellar and astronomical phenomenon.
Please tell me I'm overreacting
Well I have traveled over 12,000Ly have visted close to 500 systems and not found a single thing (other than some geysers/bark mounds etc). Have not seen any of the new stellar phenomena listed in the codex. It almost seems like its pure RNG with the chance of it happening is close to a fraction of a percent. Not happy. Don't want to be a tourist in a game that expressly has an "exploration" career line. Well found another grind. The grind to visit thousands of random systems before you can find a notable phenomena of your own. Just like in the bad old days when you had to eye ball planets to find surface features. Come on Fdev, this isn't good and people will become sick of exploring (without some discoveries of our own) to keep us interested. I've said it before, that i don't mind if I am not the first discover something, but i do want to find my own "something".
Edit: Spent several days around the Heart and soul nebulae. Then today just visited and mapped the entire bubble nebula including surrounding systems and found nothing. So its not necessarily around every nebula.
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This ^^^
Now up to 25kly, and visited 3 more PNs yesterday, still nothing. Not even biological sites. Despite coming across water giants, gas giants with water-based life, w/ and w/o rings, water worlds, ammonia worlds and all those things listed as potential sources for anomalies.
On my way to Colonia (maybe this evening I recall the name of the system) I found 1 lagrange cloud with the crystal things and in the same system the small tentacle living forms.
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The last time I went out in the black, I found most of my ELWs around M-class stars.
From now on, I will probably never waste time anymore on scanning those systems, at least not until we get atmospheric landings - which is a shame.