I respectfully disagree. During a combined trade/bounty hunt CG an armed hauler is very valid. Every NPC pirate Anaconda/T10 toasted by my Cutter during hauling is 1 million credits towards the bounty hunting CG while causing only minimal delay.
The Old vs the New and player age
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You were lucky, often my cave was spawn camped by saber-toothed tigers!
O7
Well when I say school, I really mean a child labour factory hidden in a rotting shack, were an old leper with halitosis used to beat us with with his belt to the music of a young Chris De Burgh.
Actually it is but not at the level of modules, it's done at the choice of hull, thus if I want a medium pad trade ship do I take the Python or Krait? If I want large pad do I take the T9 or the Anaconda?
I know a bunch of people despise the FSS, but not having a mechanism to actually find things on a planet was mind-numbing.... and made worse by the fact the game trained you to investigate blue circles on your scanner when at low-orbital flight to find "things of interest".... so guess where you would find barnacles, Thargoid Structures or Guardian Ruins. That's right! Not... via.... that mechanism..... it was just MK1 Eyeballing all the way.
That and no longer having to wait for the RNG to roll up your mission USS (and actually telling you which one was a mission USS)... dont know how many times I failed missions because three identical USS spawned after 5 minutes, and I simply didnt drop at the right one.
That and no longer having to wait for the RNG to roll up your mission USS (and actually telling you which one was a mission USS)... dont know how many times I failed missions because three identical USS spawned after 5 minutes, and I simply didnt drop at the right one.
The ground POIs (blue circles and geo/bio stuff) really was too hard before, after 3.3 (exploration & mining) it became way too easy. I think Odyssey got that balance about right. Stuff needs to be found by eye but it's common enough that it can be found, and the artificial stuff (human & alien POIs) are indicated without filling the nav panel with dozens of destinations (legacy still has this after you map a planet if anyone wants to see what i mean).
This is one area of the game that really would benefit from some mission related activities. Not in a "scan twenty wakes" type of mission but one that uses time in a way that I don't know if I've seen in the game yet, and that would be to track a pirate/smuggler/politician etc. for elimination/scans/etc.. where you're given a place and time to be at a station for the known departure time of the target which you will have to scan the wake to get their destination, follow them, interdict and so on. Are there any missions that use the wake scanner like this?
Let him try Elite in VR. I'm pretty sure that will at least pique his interest. o7
I played Elite and Frontier way way back in the good old bad old days, I think the core gameplay of both of those games is present in Elite Dangerous. But yes, I do agree with you that Elite Dangerous is its own thing and goes well beyond both of those games, original Elite especially. o7
I'm a sorta newer player (3306-ish I think, or thereabouts) so I started with autodock available. It would have been really frustrating having a crappy autodock, and I did feel like it made it easier starting off to not have to master that along with everything else right off the bat. Getting stuck in the queue I think is a good nudge to learn to manually dock and learn how much faster it can be (and more fun!). I do like the option now of letting the ship auto launch or dock when running trade routes while I plot my next route or check 3rd party tools.I got to the mailslot with zero problems straight away but then going through it had a hell of a time landing on my padIIRC I figured out the compass straight away. Now every new player starts with an advanced docking computer and gimbaled pulse lasers, overcoming one of the most obvious reasons for a newbie to give up on the game as being too complicated. I understand why it was done, it makes the game more accessible to new players but it is not the same as when I started. I always thought autodock was supposed to be bad/risky to encourage players to learn how to manually dock ie a dilemma. It is near perfect now (I have one on my trade cutter) & I'm glad to have it as an option but it's a double edged sword imo.
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If you apply the same loose definition you reserve for Winblows but not Elite, then I think you'll find the comparison isn't so meritless. o7
As one of those veterans, I have to say that the feeling of "coming back to a known place" was one of the most important things to me when I started ED. In the original Elite there weren't that may unique visuals. But the way FDev managed to make the ships – the iconic parts of Elite – and the Coriolis station recognizable was amazing (to me). And I think that this wan't by accident! – So, I think its totally valid if old players pretend to be back in their old Elite universe.
You guys had it made. We looked at ya'll and thought "life isn't fair".
Hey, just came across a video about old elite creation. What I enjoyed the most is that:
Our ancester, eating in front of the computer, not going outside meeting new people by a sunny day, because he is busy sinking hours in front of Elite.
I guess we as a specie mostly reproduce by spontaneous egg then!
(Here's the full link for those who may want
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpWoF5uVgbA&ab_channel=Jes%C3%BAsZafra
Our ancester, eating in front of the computer, not going outside meeting new people by a sunny day, because he is busy sinking hours in front of Elite.
I guess we as a specie mostly reproduce by spontaneous egg then!
(Here's the full link for those who may want
Windows 3.1 is mostly a fancy DOS shell and DOS remnants are one of the biggest area of similarity between Windows 3.1 and Windows 11 (which still has a command line that mimics DOS).
The main reason Windows from the early 1990s and Windows from the 2020s are recognizably Windows is branding and a tiny handful of Microsoftisms. They don't have the same functionality and they don't provide the same experience.
I'm applying the same premises to both. Old versions of Windows, even I were to limit myself to say, NT 5..x and later, are as divergent from the latest incarnations as old version of Elite: Dangerous are from the current game.
I vastly preferred Windows 2000, as an OS, to Windows 10 or 11. It's not practical to use Windows 2000 on a modern system, but I appreciated the relative leanness, speed of setup, lack of product activation or other privacy eviscerating 'features', and greater control it provided. Likewise, the current versions of Elite: Dangerous aren't what I prefer, even if I like some of the new additions. Main difference with Elite: Dangerous is that I cannot run unsupported version and even if I could, it wouldn't do me much good because the multiplayer aspect is a key part of the experience.
In both the case of Windows and Elite, there are things with different labels and different provenances that have more similarities than past namesakes.
Nope. There is zero reason to wake scan for any mission. In fact, short of a couple experiments around NPC persistence, I've never had any reason to follow a wake for any game activity.
Even with what you're suggesting, it's problematic. The need for wake scanning in FFE/FE2 was because engaging a target near a station got you fined to the tune of sometimes significantly more than your payout on the assassination... by following them through the wake to deep space it meant you wouldn't get fined because of that thing i know you love; zones of punishment weren't omniscient across the whole system.
They absolutely need more mechanics supporting use of wake scanning beyond "material collection thing". Maybe a rescue, search, eliminate style thing... mission has you seek out a Distress call USS. There you find:
1. stricken ship/ megaship, maybe some weak-ish pirates and a (persistent) wake
2. deal with the pirates, repair the ships with limpets, then follow the wake to catch the leader who... left the stove on or something.
3. jump through the wake, standard assassination target in cruise trying to flee, interdict and destroy them before they reach their destination.
I say "persistent" wake because i doubt you could deal with pirates and patch a ship fast enough before it dissipates. Or maybe step 3 is a bonus reward situation, and your main goal is to help the stricken ship. Either way, we've now got mission use for:
- FSDI
- Wake scanner
- repair limpets (notwithstanding scenario use)
Sigh. This is what i mean when i say we don't need new things, we just need the existing things used better.
Anyways. I wonder if FD have fixed the bug where you can't follow a target through low wake out of Supercruise to a target where nav-lock drop was used.... because either:
- You follow the wake, which persists the target, which is 1.0Mm from where the target actually is because of the nav lock; or
- you ignore the wake and drop at the actual target. Puts you in the right place, but breaks the persistence chain, so your target won't be there.
'84er here.
The best moment I had with this game was in the first days of Elite Dangerous here, when I docked at Lave station 30 years after I left my Cobra III parked there. Honestly, I had goosebumps, almost waiting to find my old ship somewhere under the tarpaulin and cobwebs, dusty and dirty
And I could have sworn the station's voice was DB.
The best moment I had with this game was in the first days of Elite Dangerous here, when I docked at Lave station 30 years after I left my Cobra III parked there. Honestly, I had goosebumps, almost waiting to find my old ship somewhere under the tarpaulin and cobwebs, dusty and dirty
And I could have sworn the station's voice was DB.