The Open v Solo v Groups thread

Next expansion: Elite Dangerous: Andromeda

Requires separate CMDR (import not possible, granted with every purchase of EDA),
Open Only, dedicated servers (no more CLog, CMDR persists for 5 minutes after menu log, no more p2p induced DCs), completely separate galaxy (Andromeda), no contact nor transfer to/from Milky Way possible.
Requires monthly subscription (not payable in Arx),
Requires Odyssey
Not available in 3.8 mode.

EDA will not be required to play future expansions.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Okay so we just learned you don't know what an agenda is. This is progress.
What is attempting to encourage players to play among those who they may have no fun playing with if not an agenda?

i.e. "the things that a person or organization considers to be important and wants to solve or achieve, or their reasons for wanting to do something"
 
If the advocates of open play are to have their desire met, will they accept as the price of the change a ban on non-consensual PvP?

They get something, those not interested in non-consensual PvP get something.

This is a compromise I might accept but PG and solo modes would still be required to avoid mega traffic jams at various locations and avoid performance issues.

Steve 07.
 
If the advocates of open play are to have their desire met, will they accept as the price of the change a ban on non-consensual PvP?

They get something, those not interested in non-consensual PvP get something.

This is a compromise I might accept but PG and solo modes would still be required to avoid mega traffic jams at various locations and avoid performance issues.

Steve 07.

There is no compromise, just choices. If you want to increase your chances of random positive encounters try open & pay attention. If you are happy with what you are doing just keep doing that :)

There isn't going to be a ban on non consensual PvP, you might as well say you are willing to ride a bicycle to work instead of the car for the health benefits & exercise but only if it's guaranteed you won't feel intimidated by other road users. Nobody can guarantee that, only recommend you use a cycle path instead of a main road. It's up to you to manage the risk level you are willing to expose your Cmdr to.
 
There is no compromise, just choices.
Which is your choice of, status quo or accept as the price of the change a ban on non-consensual PvP?
If you want to increase your chances of random positive encounters try open & pay attention.
In other words, I have to endure the stress of watching out for attacks (rather than relaxing game play). I may be reading too deeply, but flying ships ready for such encounters and "git gud" may be implied?
If you are happy with what you are doing just keep doing that :)
I am happy with the way things are, it's just that there are those that want to change the game I am playing. The advocates for change are persistent.
There isn't going to be a ban on non-consensual PvP, you might as well say you are willing to ride a bicycle to work instead of the car for the health benefits & exercise but only if it's guaranteed you won't feel intimidated by other road users. Nobody can guarantee that, only recommend you use a cycle path instead of a main road. It's up to you to manage the risk level you are willing to expose your Cmdr to.
IRL minimising the risk of riding a bicycle to work is to use the cycle paths (which also has the added benefit of not clogging up the roads for those that do want to drive).

In game if I want to minimise risk (for less stressful gaming play) and reduce traffic then I will use solo or PG.

Pushing me into open play will result in more stress playing the game, which is not what I want. That would be like removing the cycle paths.

I suspect that the chances of more open play encouragement are about the same as a ban on non-consensual PvP.

Steve 07.
 
Which is your choice of, status quo or accept as the price of the change a ban on non-consensual PvP?

In other words, I have to endure the stress of watching out for attacks (rather than relaxing game play). I may be reading too deeply, but flying ships ready for such encounters and "git gud" may be implied?

I am happy with the way things are, it's just that there are those that want to change the game I am playing. The advocates for change are persistent.

IRL minimising the risk of riding a bicycle to work is to use the cycle paths (which also has the added benefit of not clogging up the roads for those that do want to drive).

In game if I want to minimise risk (for less stressful gaming play) and reduce traffic then I will use solo or PG.

Pushing me into open play will result in more stress playing the game, which is not what I want. That would be like removing the cycle paths.

I suspect that the chances of more open play encouragement are about the same as a ban on non-consensual PvP.

Steve 07.

I'm not pushing you, or anyone. Do what you like within the existing framework of the game rules. Examples of pushing someone would be a proposal for Open only BGS/PP, or a PvE flag, both of which force those who are already happy with the status quo to potentially degrade their own experience instead of advocating those who are unhappy modify their behaviour to achieve what they want at some cost they may or may not be willing to accept.

Other than that it seem you entirely agree with me, which is nice ;)
 

Ozric

Volunteer Moderator
I should be happy it's been this long since I've had to come in here and remind you all to discuss the post and not the poster!
 
Next expansion: Elite Dangerous: Andromeda

Requires separate CMDR (import not possible, granted with every purchase of EDA),
Open Only, dedicated servers (no more CLog, CMDR persists for 5 minutes after menu log, no more p2p induced DCs), completely separate galaxy (Andromeda), no contact nor transfer to/from Milky Way possible.
Requires monthly subscription (not payable in Arx),
Requires Odyssey
Not available in 3.8 mode.

EDA will not be required to play future expansions.
I'm in favour of this suggestion. I wouldn't play in it, I'd remain in ED, but it would be interesting to read about.
 
I'm in favour of this suggestion. I wouldn't play in it, I'd remain in ED, but it would be interesting to read about.
it would give those hardliners their own undisturbable environment while retaining the current one as is.

And it dodges any lore haywire that would come with splitting BGS, CG and PP
 
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This thread is a good example of what PvP really boils down to. We all have opinions. Some of us are happy to just to exist within our own little bubble of thought and occasionally post here or there what ideas we have. Others absolutely love the debate, the arguing, and find themselves coming back to engage in the cacophony again and again. The wisest of us don't even post in warzone threads like these.

In the end, the act of debating and rebuttal is essentially the process of trying to enforce your own line of thinking onto others either by skillful argumentation or sheer brute force. But not everyone wants to engage with an argument. Rather, some would prefer to post an idea and be done with it. Most may respect that, even appreciate the new view. Some however will attack and keep attacking until some sort of capitulation occurs either in their favor or forcibly ended by a moderator.

Playing in Open is engaging with the ED Forums. Every good, bad and grey moral Commander out there will be able to engage with you in space in the same way they engage with you here. You may have nothing but good experiences in Open or the forums and even get a rush resisting the dominance of someone else's will. Some detest even the thought of someone else trying to enforce their will on them, let alone non-consensually.

A bit off topic from original thought, but I wanna say: You may not understand why someone prefers one way or the other, but that's ok. Fight if you wanna fight, hide if you wanna hide, keep arguing and debating and ignoring and so on. But learn to respect others. No means no regardless the medium. A person can be a good person, even if they disagree with you. A player can be a good player, even if they never go Open. Not every skill set in gaming (let alone Elite) revolves around combat, people skills or critical thinking and that's ok. Because the world is full of color, flavors and culture that you don't like and don't want to engage with. But there's still plenty of the world to love that fall inline with your tastes and beliefs. So just chill dudes.

These are just my opinions. My opinions cannot hurt you. My opinions do not have the power to conjure up a twerking Thanos and make him Thanos snap your mom into my bed. My opinions are notorious for being wrong, biased and half-baked. Ask your doctor before ingesting my opinion. Side-effects may include: Nausea, diarrhea, sudden loss of appetite, a compulsion to ingest cold pizza and warm beer, a sudden addiction to coffee, obsessively and compulsively posting dumb things online, developing a lame sense of humor, and sudden death in any video game that totally wasn't your fault because it was lag and your hands were sweaty and your mom decided to vacuum at the wrong moment.

Fly safe CMDRs

O7
 
The bottom line is no matter how much we debate the topic nothing will happen so it becomes a waste of time, the three modes exist because not everyone wants people in their game.

If you want the full mmo experience then fly open, if you want the arena combat flying with friends then choose private game, if you want the original Elite game experience then fly solo all justifiable and all legitimate game styles.

No matter what you do there will always be other stating your playing wrong because your not in their game for them to shoot at in their ubertank.
 
Next expansion: Elite Dangerous: Andromeda

Requires separate CMDR (import not possible, granted with every purchase of EDA),
Open Only, dedicated servers (no more CLog, CMDR persists for 5 minutes after menu log, no more p2p induced DCs), completely separate galaxy (Andromeda), no contact nor transfer to/from Milky Way possible.
Requires monthly subscription (not payable in Arx),
Requires Odyssey
Not available in 3.8 mode.

EDA will not be required to play future expansions.

Number of players: 20
 
Number of players: 20
Theae 20 will be sitting in the lobby waiting for the game to start ;)

OR we will get a ship we can sit in waiting for fdev to sell us the dlc for the docking bay, planet or system were in (all separate dlcs) but that sounds like another well known space game ;)
 
You can block the perpetrators after you were killed. They appear in your history. If you block them, they will no longer instance with you.

You want Open PVE, you gotta make it yourself.

If you want to be able to switch between both (fictional) modes, make notes of the names you want to block temporarily, though i think those that are after non-pvp built ships are likely not interested in a fair fight anyway.
In fact you can block them before you are killed. Just get their commander names from friend or even gankers own tube channel and so on.
 
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