Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Agreed - it's a personal choice - which no other player needs to consider when playing the game.
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The Open v Solo v Groups thread
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This is a cutthroat galaxy without any proper moral values. Ganking, Slavery, proxywars and other disgusting things. And suddenly someone demands "fair" gaming / behavior? This is a joke?
Conflicts are not won by the fairest participant. In general they are won by the ruthlesst side. If playing in solo gives an advantage then it would be dumb to not exploit it. Professional BGS players knows this and don't waste time by searching for enemies in open to destroy them and eventually harm their own faction by that. Do that damn data delivery missions (or similar influencing actions)! Complete more then your opponent. That is the way to dominate a BGS conflict.
Finally someone willing to prove my point! Thanks man!
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
All that "proves" is that some players who prefer PvP choose to play in Solo and Private Groups at times to not be bothered by others who would engage them in PvP.
It says nothing about the players who prefer PvE and have no interest in being engaged in PvP while engaged in any game activity.
What ever you do, you affect BGS. According to ruleset somebodies want I could not do single mission, PVE bountyhunting, trading, selling exploration data and so on and on, without being in Open mode to be "fair". On other hand some murderhobo pulling me over multiple times and absolutely ruining my game time is "fair".
Yes honestly, because he, even in high security systems, is in no danger.
On the flip side, I enjoy playing in Open precisely because I find it amusing how many PvP-oriented BGS players don’t understand how BGS manipulation actually works, and their eagerness to destroy my ship makes my job a bit easier… not to mention more interesting.
Yes, thats it. I am a member of the Marlinist Auxilia Forces and, in case you know about the ongoing conflict with CEC and its allies, our opponents are almost only acting in solo or pg. But we do not complain, we just try to do more missions, more trade, more explo as this is the way to win. A nice (orchestrated) pvp fight could be fun, but would not affect the BGS in any meaningfull way.On the flip side, I enjoy playing in Open precisely because I find it amusing how many PvP-oriented BGS players don’t understand how BGS manipulation actually works, and their eagerness to destroy my ship makes my job a bit easier… not to mention more interesting.
would it be too unreasonable to match the approach of your oponent? play in open with (against) people who play in open for transparency and fair game, and switch to solo for people who take advantage of you?
ive switched to solo to avoid gankers when i wasnt in the mood too...
though one thought occured to me
if playing bgs and pp in solo is perfectly fine because it isnt against the rules of the game, what rules are murderhobos in murderboats breaking that they deserve so animosity?
Well technically neither solo BGS warrior or murderhobo does break any rule. Some people just do not like one or another.
so "accusing players of underhand behaviour when they are simply playing by the rules of the game...." is not bad anymore?
Same thing happened with Mobius Faction was attacked by groups unknownim not frequenting this thread often, and certainly havent read it whole, but i do believe ive seen a couple of those. i think that if you were to look up just posts from bulbulunufus in this thread you would find some.
but i can give you a fresh one.
there is this system that was under my squads control for quite some time. the system is really unique, it was even pointed out on this forum, yet it remained (seemingly) without traffic, without visitors, without activity.
i wanted to conduct some experiments in the area (looking for potential raxxla clues of course) and gained permission from my squad to move the system under control of its native npc anarchy faction. this operation was conducted with few more raxxla hunters that lent hand in the process of moving the control, we moved almost all assets under this anarchy faction and system returned to its normal traffic: (almost) none. (there were few small inf drops that are to be expected with a lot of anarchy settlements open for shopping, but nothing a single visit and few missions wouldnt fix)
recently traffic spiked from 0-5 on inara to 30-40+ and our squadron was pushed to retreat, which forced our hand and system is now in the process of federal recapture.
yet there is noone to be seen in the system. my squad is pulling moves (just from missions we pull ~50inf per cmdr daily) yet our inf is tanking, negative system states are piling up, settlement is being shut down (without the actual shutdown state ofc, because game is good). and the system ingame is still vacant of commanders.
i wish we could talk to these people, find out whats going on, whats their motive, maybe find some diplomatic solution. (if they just wanted to support this cool faction in a cool system im sure we could find some agreement of coexistence, as we had with others in the past)
and, of course, i also wish that if you are causing problems for me and pushing me to a show of force that i would be able to face you and try to stop you.
but generally from my experience when something like this happens, its not some poor traders hauling to make the ends meet, being afraid of the bad boogiemen in the open.
when something like this happens, its caused by people who dont care about fair approach, who will take every chance to get the upper hand. people who even take pleasure and pride in going behind your back and taking a dookie in your garden without you being able to do anything about it. "if i can take advantage of you, why shouldnt i" they say.
its an issue of ethos and morality, and i say so mainly because the game lets you do so. you could almost say that you are invited to do so by non-open modes being provided to you (and by crime and punishment system being a very minor inconvenience [if any at all], but thats another thread
i wish i could "force" my fair game approach onto my enemies, but i also recognise the value of other play modes. i sometimes use them as well (when not doing bgs/pp) and i respect all good people who play in those. its not like solo/pg is a tool just to sabotage your enemy...
i wish that when i play nice you would play nice too. i find reciprocity an essential element of all interpersonal relations. (note: playing nice != peaceful)
i think elite is unique in many ways. one being solo/open existing side by side, interconnected by the world yet separate by instancing. its not like you can fire up a ranked game of counter strike without opponents, waddle through the map, plant the bomb and make everyone else on the enemy team lose without them being able to do anything about it, or even knowing about it until its too late.
i think elite was made in time when online gaming wasnt that prevalent and when all the issues that come with it werent that known. therefore the system doesnt account for them like many newer games do. the game was built with all the play modes and if we were now to disrupt this status quo, it would be against the games design and potentially mess up more things than it would solve.
so what is there to do about it other than come to the forum?
some people come to seek answers, some come to seek solutions. some people seek enlightenment and some come here just shove another of their produce into your face because they can.
the duality of man i guess...
who wanted to prove a point about BGS and PG that was 2018ish . We let them get on with it and they proved their point and when they got tired we got them back. ( It was rather bizarre as we had a lot of Mobius players out in open in the systems, just because Mobius doesn't allow PVP in PG it doesn't mean they don't do it ) People who are just doing it for a bit of fun or mischief eventually leave. BGS is basically filling pots and whoever was against you was filling more pots.
It doesn't matter if they were in open or PG or solo and there is no guarantee that you would meet them in open if you both were.
If you are in open and you don't meet opposition does that mean your effort will be wasted as it's wasn't "Dangerous " enough .
There is one difference, I do not want to lets say remove ability to do PVP from the game.
On other hand people wanting open only this and open only that do want major reworking on how system works.
So if you don't meet anyone in opposition even in open your effort will not count ??
i think the game is better when people meet. just as a general approach with no attachment to any particular situation...
i dont like fighting ghosts ^^
"all my enemies are ontologically evil" huh?
so if a murderhobo in a murderboat murdermurders someone but doesnt want to push for open only, does he deserve hate or not?
Not really, they just know that the BGS game doesn't really exist. Someone saw how THIS works and is trying to manipulate it, that's their right. It's exactly the same right to have a race on the SRV.
The only game as a group in the Elite is PP1. A lot of people just don't like the way it's implemented, some even want to strategically manage it.
P.S. And I hope PP2 doesn't turn Elite into a strategy.
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No, I can always block him, or change mode to avoid him.
How would you fight them even if they would be in open? That would not be quarantee that either you or your group would ever see them? Hint, shooty shooty does not exactly solve your problem.