PvP The PvP Subforum's Purpose
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PvPers, and their posting around the general idea of none consensual PvP in Open mode, never fail to create a PvE audience; seem to be very attractive to those not interested in PvP.
As a sensitive matter, subject to controversial opinions and grief!, no wonder Mods and the usual PvE suspects are all over it.
As long as there is an opinion about the matter, there is an attitude, call it bias, around it.
PvP sub was used, for a long time now, as a dump for all things "dangerous" coming up in Dangerous Discussion and elsewhere.
PvP discussions are poisonous especially if one of its "victims" show up. Our beloved "PvE gang" will not accept, PvP is a integral part of Open.
So Mode discussions and game flow topics and talking PvP matters is never coming to a rest, cos some folks hate it, period.
A little bit more consensus at least in the PvP sub where folks try to establish a respectful discussion, would be fine.
I fail to see how the general PvP audience here is responsible for the curse things take usually after a time, when some "PvEer" partaking deny PvP its place, which is, we are reminded, in Open omnipresent.
While PvP in Open is just fine, a very small group of fellow forum posters remind us what they want to want us, playing PvP [yesnod]
Hence a PvP focus in moderating a PvP subforum would be welcome.
Check Six!
As a sensitive matter, subject to controversial opinions and grief!, no wonder Mods and the usual PvE suspects are all over it.
As long as there is an opinion about the matter, there is an attitude, call it bias, around it.
PvP sub was used, for a long time now, as a dump for all things "dangerous" coming up in Dangerous Discussion and elsewhere.
PvP discussions are poisonous especially if one of its "victims" show up. Our beloved "PvE gang" will not accept, PvP is a integral part of Open.
So Mode discussions and game flow topics and talking PvP matters is never coming to a rest, cos some folks hate it, period.
A little bit more consensus at least in the PvP sub where folks try to establish a respectful discussion, would be fine.
I fail to see how the general PvP audience here is responsible for the curse things take usually after a time, when some "PvEer" partaking deny PvP its place, which is, we are reminded, in Open omnipresent.
While PvP in Open is just fine, a very small group of fellow forum posters remind us what they want to want us, playing PvP [yesnod]
Hence a PvP focus in moderating a PvP subforum would be welcome.
Check Six!
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rootsrat
Volunteer Moderator
Funny you say that because if you're talking about the situation I think you're talking about, the other side came with the exact same arguments, that we took your side and ignored them, allowing you to troll and flame.
See what I mean now?
On the other hand, PVP'ers are also calling PVE's all sorts of names, not to mention constant whining and whinging about removing Solo.
As a person that is not part of any "side", I can honestly tell you the blame is equally spread across the board. Including PVE and PVP plater and also - a you've mentioned - the way Elite was designed.
If you think that's the case, then appeal to Brett. Before you say he's part of the conspiracy as well - if you think that's the case, then I think the only way is to write a formal complaint maybe with solid examples of when you think moderators were manipulating post contents that were perfectly fine according to forum rules in order to affect the discussion outcome.
One of those people would be me.
I filed a complaint about not being allowed to name and shame, with which I agree, but it is allowed to mock and shame. At the time some players were posting "Look at me killing this noob" videos, accompanied with trollish remarks. The clear sole intent being to provoke and, as they so maturely call it: harvesting salt. Heck, that term, or "salt mining" or whatever people call it, is your basic, run of the mill trolling. I did indeed wonder why a certain subset of the Frontier Forums gets a free pass when it concerns trolling.
So I would be right in saying that anyone who admits to come to these forums to salt mine, is in fact admitting to trolling. If they get away with it, last thing they should complain about is moderator bias.
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WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Again, have you ever looked at the beginning of rinzlers git gud guide video look at the chat bubbles. Or stepped foot on reddit. This stuff has been happening long before I came here.
As a matter of fact people told me not to come here asking for changes.
And everything they told me. Happened. 100% Happened just as they said it would.
I came here because of the toxicity it generated in the first place.
Ive trolled a bit, And flamed back. But I didnt come here like that.
They wanted some forum PVP I gave it right back.
But that situation, im not the one trolling here. As a matter of fact, just like that book I wrote you in the last reply.
I can go in depth of risk and reward, ship builds, actions and even videos and screenshots about the balancing and problems that come with it.
And the thing is, im not wrong. Im not saying im not wrong because im full of myself.
Im saying, Im not wrong because you cant prove math wrong.
I dont think brett is a part of the conspiracy. And also there is no Conspiracy. ARE YOU LISTENING TO WHAT THE OTHER PVPERS ARE SAYING HERE?
How many people need to say it before someone opens their eyes.
Heres a Lovely image folks, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/419011878463733760/429181940336427019/final.png (this is being used as an example feel free to remove it. You should look at it though).
Tell you guys what. Create another forum account. Maybe a week from now. Go post in the Modes of Elite asking for changes with Risk and Reward.
Watch who shows up.
Hell you dont even have to do that. Just start working backwards in each post. Start in the hotel threads, and in the post sandro made about powerplay in
2016.
Some names change, while others stay the same. And its quite clear what the intent is,
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-to-cater-to-the-PvPers?p=4958221#post4958221
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/421892-A-territorial-game-for-PvPers
Removing yourself from a part of a playerbase. To effect the rest of the playerbase you removed yourself from is the whole damn problem.
Fix it for god sake.
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That is against the rules.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...23-May-2016)?p=3895630&viewfull=1#post3895630
WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
I give you exhibit #1
Uhm ... warning people not to take your advice because it breaks forum rules has nothing to do with any Open/Solo or PvP/PvE discussion. It's not good form to advice people to break forum rules.
Do you disagree?
edit: In fact, you might want to take it on board and edit that part out of your post. I'll remove it from my quote as well.
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WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Completely off topic. And if a mod or someone high up would like to run a test about it. Im pretty sure they can give themselves the pass.
rootsrat
Volunteer Moderator
Honestly, I think you are only partially correct. Not willing to accept part of the blame is the mistake both sides do on regular basis.
I'm sorry, but I will not continue this discussion - not because I don't have any arguments or examples (I do, PLENTY, I would just need to go through the log of reported posts I attended to), but because I know for a fact that you will continue to argue with me and refuse to accept the truth, even though what you claim is actually part of that truth. The other part is unacceptable by you and many other PVP players, so all I can do here is refer you to your own forums avatar.
With that said, I am going to unsubscribe from this thread. I've said what I wanted to say, I've expressed my opinion - not much more I can do here.
See what I mean?
My warning not to follow up on a suggestion that breaks forum rules, is exhibit #1 for That90skid. Not because of what I posted, simply because it was me who posted. I didn't comment on any of the other aspects of his post, just the bit that might get others (and 90s himself!) into trouble. Still, exhibit #1.
My warning not to follow up on a suggestion that breaks forum rules, is exhibit #1 for That90skid. Not because of what I posted, simply because it was me who posted. I didn't comment on any of the other aspects of his post, just the bit that might get others (and 90s himself!) into trouble. Still, exhibit #1.
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WorldsGreatestForumDad
Banned
Is he saying the people on the other side{the PVPers) in this case. Im not calling them toxic either? Of course they can be.
But again, this comes down to the distinction of Risk and Reward. Along with no definition on how the "minigames" within Elite need to be played.
Fix that and all other problems will fix themselves.
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I have gotten away with using 3 or 4 now? Mind you the others are quite inactive.
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Actually, a correction? As I recall there are situations where multiple accounts are allowed (and i believe this is public knowledge).
But all such accounts need to be approved by FD, and a ban on one account leads to a ban on the other, right?
You are definitely the least controversial Pvper to post on this forum. No argument there.
Edit: actually, I wouldn't restrict that comment to pvp, either.
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And, as a counterpoint to Truesilver's observation, I am decidedly one of those Pro-PvE posters around here. Even though I back the PvP issues when I feel they are in the right, I come down most often on the side of the PvE point of view. I have on at least four occasions been warned by the Moderation Staff about posts I have added to the conversations going on. Two of which I have received forum E-Mails over. I have only disagreed and argued against just one of those, and that one was more of a friendly reminder, than an official notice.
I am convinced moderation occurs due to the content of a post, rather than what side of this debate one is on.
As a member of the DWE & successful completionist of a round trip to Beagle Point and back in Mobius/Fleetcomm, my PvE creds and membership to Clan Carebear are as good as they come, and even I've noticed how so many dedicated PvErs and group/solo only posters come here with the express purpose of derailing threads. Brett even noticed it. What I don't notice is much of an effort to do anything about it, though. I work tirelessly to convince my PvE brothers and sisters to calm down and look at the bigger picture, but alas I am only one voice.
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