The Return of the Home computer?

I think ArchEmperor gets it.
There are subtle differences. It's very much the same as things like MIDI and digital synthesis in the synth market. There's been a massive resurgence in analogue gear in the synth world of late, I wont go into detail, but it's for a very good reason. Same with valve amps vs solid state and amp modellers. Speak to anyone who actually works with the things day in day out and there's no contest - the Vox AC30 coppertop / Marshall JMP 45 wins every time.
There are some points in time where technology is abandoned that isn't necessarily a good thing. Especially when it's driven by business (lightbulbs anyone?).
 
I think needing specific tools that are unreasonably priced were why a lot of people don't work on their own cars. I need a $200 screwdriver just to take my engine cover off and that's all it does...
Aye, there is that of course. I have an entire workshop on the farm filled with everything from torx bits to bearing pullers to fuel injector seating tools and engine computer diagnostic equipment...around £135k worth of mechanics and specialist tools that I've collected over the years. Running a busy farm and restoring vintage motorbikes as a hobby makes all that lot a neccessity...the Snap-On tools man always goes away happy after he visits here :D
 
I think ArchEmperor gets it.
There are subtle differences. It's very much the same as things like MIDI and digital synthesis in the synth market. There's been a massive resurgence in analogue gear in the synth world of late, I wont go into detail, but it's for a very good reason. Same with valve amps vs solid state and amp modellers. Speak to anyone who actually works with the things day in day out and there's no contest - the Vox AC30 coppertop / Marshall JMP 45 wins every time.
There are some points in time where technology is abandoned that isn't necessarily a good thing. Especially when it's driven by business (lightbulbs anyone?).

True, but in the case of synths and amps (especially), the reason why people often prefer the originals is because each individual model is different. A Vox AC30 will not sound the same every time you switch it on (I know, because I have one). My Vox AC30 will not sound the same as yours. There will be subtle or even quite wild differences. It's just the nature of analog and the old components used. It's the same with analog synths like the Moog etc.

This is really not the same as home computers. They look & feel the same no matter what, because it's all digital and created in a lab.

You can get a very good approximation of amps and synths with modern digital modelling, but the main drawback is they will all sound the same. It's the variation and individual uniqueness (based on that 'original' sound) that musicians seek out, not the nostalgia or technology per se IMO.
 
True, but in the case of synths and amps (especially), the reason why people often prefer the originals is because each individual model is different. A Vox AC30 will not sound the same every time you switch it on (I know, because I have one). My Vox AC30 will not sound the same as yours. There will be subtle or even quite wild differences. It's just the nature of analog and the old components used. It's the same with analog synths like the Moog etc.

This is really not the same as home computers. They look & feel the same no matter what, because it's all digital and created in a lab.

You can get a very good approximation of amps and synths with modern digital modelling, but the main drawback is they will all sound the same. It's the variation and individual uniqueness (based on that 'original' sound) that musicians seek out, not the nostalgia or technology per se IMO.

Some musicians seek out original sounds, but an awful lot want to sound like everyone else (or, say Mr Hendrix, e.g.), and if it was just a case of sounding different then there wouldn't be such a nerdy market for that exact model, you know, the Mk1.5 tonebender with those transistors biased in a particular way with exactly the right paper in oil capacitors etc. Any old fuzz pedal would do as long as it sounded different - which just isn't the case.

In the case of a lot of audio equipment from that era (a fair bit of it created in "labs" very similar to those that the 8bit micros were designed in, certainly in the UK) even the makers didn't really understand what they had hit on and the expertise to make the same thing again and again disappeared; it's only in the last 10/15 years for example that the secrets of certain early fx pedals have been properly worked out again after having been essentially lost for decades. Witness the lab made analogue gear coming out of Behringer that satisfies the very real market demand for the acid sound of '88 even though you can emulate it.

A lot of the designs also disappeared because "progress must be better" (a lot of perfectly good valve amps ended up in skips simply because they weren't "fashionable" anymore). There were tons of different amp designs from the 60s - some still with us, some not. Why is the AC30 still around (and why is it so difficult to make one now?) Do you know? Your AC30 might sound different to mine (though I'm not sure that if we both had a '63 JMI Coppertop TB with Alnico Blues they would sound at all different, unless they were in different conditions) but the AC30 design is hugely different to a Fender Twin Reverb, e.g. and the sounds are unmistakable. It's not a question of analogue vs digital in that case. It's a matter of particular design choices coming in to play which meant you could do certain things with one and not with another. Each has its own magic - or to put in another way, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

Then there's the case of what the users do with the designs. I think there's a fair case for pinning the sound and excitement around 60s music on the window of time when certain amp technology met with particular guitars.

And the same thing could be said for computers. The early 80s home computer boom (in the UK at least) saw loads of different models and attempts - some were successful, some not. There was a window of time where particular technology was perfect for a particular kind of creativity and the zx spectrum was a particularly successful model for games, even though it wasn't designed for it. Why?
 
In terms of the OP though - the ZX Spectrum Next will never go "commercial" since (the makers have stated) it makes no sense. To sell them commercially in shops they would cost about £600 and that just isn't going to make sense to anyone. The 2nd kickstarter is the last, afaik; there wont be another. So, about 8000 of them in existence and that's your lot.
 
I don't think nostalgia really covers it in this case. I suspect that none of you posting here so far have owned a zx spectrum nor were alive in the UK at the end of the 70s into the early 80s.

Just for the 'record' I was in late 70s early 80s i was at school in UK . I had for the most of the seventy a console that just played pong. I could not be more 'been there' . I was the customer base. We had a BBC micro at school but I got an Acorn Electron precisely because there were no games for it.
There were endless argument re spectrum v commodore 64 bbmicro etc. I ended up writing video game reviews at age 12 for Popular computer weekly .
The darling brothers were in there teen when they set up code masters. Jeff Minter bought a zx80 and still codes games that look like his 80s hey day.
Incidentally he devloped the light synth

The good thing about the resource today no one give a cr*p what 'You' think anymore just lets us do our own thing

Ironically Elite Dangerous development was driven by pure nostalgia for an updated version of the original via Kickstarter. Its also very niche.

Does anyone follow the indie movie scene? I can make my own movie to a highly qulaity dont tell only 3 people and my dog wants to see it.
 
So how come this was successful? https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/9377900/commodore-64-back-full-size-hd/

I trade in retro computers that are popular
HAs any one seen ? The latest game from istress of minions.?

Terrestal tv chanel are still showing Cheers and friends and fraiser on endless loop the 70s/80s music chanell going strong

There are many 'secrets' of the 8bit days that have still to be revealed with a active demo scene .
People with views of above are specifically filtered out.

While we are on the subject of what is the point..of we have fogoted the history of the industrial revolution v crafts man.

Many of the new device for retro computers are designed and developed by private crafts man. A SDcard interface for your BBCmicro and c64 game scheck. A SID replacement check. Thank good ness for these heroes.
 
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'83/'84 was a very special time in the UK - 2000AD / zx spectrum / FF-GamesWorkshop - all had a good time during this era.
Frontier game mindset is still heavilly influenced by that era. There latest licence GamesWorkshop warhammer assumes that this caries will cary weight with the contempory video gaming crowd

Rebellion a UK video game company bought the rights of 200AD and still release them.

Ive worked in environments with narrow minded bosses who only wanted you to know and do the minimum to serve there requirement. Thank goodness I m not tied to being that slave anymore and the WEB etc has facilitated that.
 
While i did have a C64, and used a ZX81, then a Spectrum, and also Amstrad CPC series from friends (then went on Amiga later) - and had bouts of nostalgia like anyone else, there's nothing a RPi cannot emulate (at least for these) so i dont see the need for another bulky box, added wires etc.
I suppose a lot of people went into the "newer" retro craze like the small C64 that was around, out of pure nostalgia, and ignorance, since that was also a SoC and a cheap chinese one at that. A RPi will just do it better. Same goes for the Spectrum. Arguably the Amiga too, as of now, if we keep at the "classic" line (A500 to A4000). I know the classic C64 beige bread box is part of the nostalgia, so is the black Spectrum case, but I dont feel the need to add that to my already cluttered environment.
Recently i helped someone in my family build an arcade stick with integrated RPi that will emulate just about everything made for arcade cabinets and home computers. It works just perfectly and is a much more useful form factor.
If i wanted to teach kids programming, again an embedded RPi on a small vehicle or robot will be fun and just as good if not better than trying to get around an old 8-bit clunky user interface. It will be useful to bring out an emulator for an history lesson, but that's it.
 
It costs about £100, and presumably because it's not a "real" c64. I can't find any review or press release that mentions anything about the internal hardware of that (they just mention the full sized keyboard and games). Difficult to tell what's going on with it; probably running an emulator?
The chap doing the manual for the Commander x16 does a review of the ZXNext here.
 
While i did have a C64, and used a ZX81, then a Spectrum, and also Amstrad CPC series from friends (then went on Amiga later) - and had bouts of nostalgia like anyone else, there's nothing a RPi cannot emulate (at least for these) so i dont see the need for another bulky box, added wires etc.
I suppose a lot of people went into the "newer" retro craze like the small C64 that was around, out of pure nostalgia, and ignorance, since that was also a SoC and a cheap chinese one at that. A RPi will just do it better. Same goes for the Spectrum. Arguably the Amiga too, as of now, if we keep at the "classic" line (A500 to A4000). I know the classic C64 beige bread box is part of the nostalgia, so is the black Spectrum case, but I dont feel the need to add that to my already cluttered environment.
Recently i helped someone in my family build an arcade stick with integrated RPi that will emulate just about everything made for arcade cabinets and home computers. It works just perfectly and is a much more useful form factor.
If i wanted to teach kids programming, again an embedded RPi on a small vehicle or robot will be fun and just as good if not better than trying to get around an old 8-bit clunky user interface. It will be useful to bring out an emulator for an history lesson, but that's it.
Just because 'you' dont see the need. What about people who collect and maintain 'Classic; cars. These are the orginal cars warts and all not modern replicas. They might use them or just keep them in the garage . You seem to like to 'control' other people knowledge acquisition and experience and the guise of beige helpful. I have rediscovered my interest in these classic computer precisely because someone isnt telling me what to do.
 
Just because 'you' dont see the need. What about people who collect and maintain 'Classic; cars. These are the orginal cars warts and all not modern replicas. They might use them or just keep them in the garage . You seem to like to 'control' other people knowledge acquisition and experience and the guise of beige helpful. I have rediscovered my interest in these classic computer precisely because someone isnt telling me what to do.
Well, I would like all my clock radios and boomboxes back. :)
 
Isn't that one of David Brabens inventions...or rather the raspberry pi?
DOBE is a being from another planet sent to accelerate mankind technological developent. ED is designed to 'train' commanders for the galactic war that is raging. 'The last star fighter'
 
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