General / Off-Topic The safest place

[Stealthie]

Or, alternatively, people are now learning that the status quo was never a given, future threats do exist and not preparing for it has consequences.

In the end I suspect little changed: those who understand the issue still do, others have one more excuse to ignore it.

It's pointless telling people who're unable to prepare for things that they should have prepared for them.

Dunno if it's true or not but there's a saying about how the majority of families are only 2 paychecks away from homelessness.
While we're living in a world where property prices & rents are high and wages are low, you might as well tell people to grow wings as tell them to prepare for unforeseen long-term setbacks.

It's bad enough that so many people are living hand-to-mouth but when you tell them they won't be able to put their hand to their mouth, they're not likely to be happy.

 

[Ian Skippy]

It's pointless telling people who're unable to prepare for things that they should have prepared for them.

Dunno if it's true or not but there's a saying about how the majority of families are only 2 paychecks away from homelessness.
While we're living in a world where property prices & rents are high and wages are low, you might as well tell people to grow wings as tell them to prepare for unforeseen long-term setbacks.

You don't need money to vote. And over here we consistently voted people into office to make sure we are not two paychecks from homelessness.

The people at large have choices. them away and it's on them.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Fake News is the biggest opponent to truth!! That is the single biggest issue TODAY!!!

As of now : 283,846 people are dead. 4 million infected. (The figures are underreported. ) Still in progress.
That is a somewhat bigger problem.

To get to herd immunity, we need 80% infected. About 6 billion. Multiplying, that means about 400 million dead. But it comes to an end, maybe by 2022.

Projected deaths from climate change are 250,000 annually.
An even bigger problem, since it is recurrent, with no endpoint.

Asteroid strike on Earth, even worse.

The degree of preparation we make as a species will determine our survival.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Cases in hospital ---------- 1
Last positive case --------- 2 weeks ago
Total deaths ------------------ 8
Reopening next week.

 

[metatheurgist]

I read a Swedish epidemiologist that claimed that every singel person on earth will get infected. He claimed that herd immunity does not work and that no one can afford to wait out a vaccine. Medical treatment capacity was the only valid reason for any type of restrictions, his opinion. Other than that, the goal should be to push the population trough the infection, as fast as possible.

Translation: Well, we totally screwed up got everyone infected and killed a lot of people - so we're just gonna say nothing could be done about it.

Meanwhile in New Zealand

If you haven't heard about how awesome NZ is doing in your news you might wanna think about the reasons for why that might be the case.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

If you haven't heard about how awesome NZ is doing in your news you might wanna think about the reasons for why that might be the case.

Having international voices is a real boon to understanding global situations.

Australia, Israel and Thailand also have good graphs.

The plan is to simply not let anyone into the island. If we can establish a no infection zone islandwide, our local businesses can restart, and life can begin shifting to normal. There are going to be a few places with complete clearance. Our geography is largely the reason.

 

[Frank]

you misunderstand the point of why fake news is used!!

There was a pretty good show about fake news on the BBC. I don't know if you have access to it

BBC Four - Ian Hislop's Fake News: A True History

Ian Hislop's provocative take on 200 years of fake news, its causes and consequences.

www.bbc.co.uk

There are different reasons for fake news, but a common one is to make money. It's cheaper to send journalists on journeys of imagination than it is to pay for their travel tickets. And also salacious stories sell more copies. There's also the motives of the media moguls who want to use their power to distort the truth in their favour. If they want the markets back up then they might run stories to show that the lock down isn't working because even the scientists themselves can't follow their own guidelines and therefore we should all go back to work

Of course the question of whether your pension is worth your granny is a valid point. But the decision should be made with as much facts as possible, and not because Rupert Murdoch has decided he hasn't got enough bazillions in the bank

If you had a cure with ample evidence and cases.. ie Hydroxy... why would media oppose what has proven to be a victory in managing both its effects and re-infection rates

I'm hoping there are a lot of clever people out there all working on effective treatments as well as the vaccine. I don't know why Trump's gone off on a big one for hydroxychloroquine. Maybe it's because one of his Mar-a-Lago mates supplies it. Maybe it was to try to stop the plummeting stock market

Whatever the reason please don't self-medicate. The answer to Trump's "what have you got to lose?" is that you could lose your life. Only take drugs prescribed by your doctor. Don't drink or inhale any disinfectants, regardless of how diluted it is. And it is dangerous to insert glass UV bulbs internally

 

[Patrick_68000]

For the 1st day of deconfinement in France, this morning at 6 am in Paris, the metro was already full and the social distancing on the line 13 were nonexistent.



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[Han_Zen]

you need money to buy food, this is not a communist country.

If you shut down peoples jobs and don't pay them to stay home, you are doing it wrong.
Staying home and avoiding contact in times of a pandemic, is also a form of job. Much like if you were drafted, in war time. You leave your regular job to protect the lives of those that can't protect them self.

 

[Han_Zen]

In a communist country the supermarkets would be open but the shelves would be empty

You can't really blame the communists for that. It's really hard to fill the shelves when you have executed all the farmers, for not meeting the five year target you set for them.

 

[Morbad]

I'm hoping there are a lot of clever people out there all working on effective treatments as well as the vaccine. I don't know why Trump's gone off on a big one for hydroxychloroquine. Maybe it's because one of his Mar-a-Lago mates supplies it. Maybe it was to try to stop the plummeting stock market

Whatever the reason please don't self-medicate. The answer to Trump's "what have you got to lose?" is that you could lose your life. Only take drugs prescribed by your doctor. Don't drink or inhale any disinfectants, regardless of how diluted it is. And it is dangerous to insert glass UV bulbs internally

Not even Trump is pushing hydroxychloroquine much anymore. The studies that have been done hint at some potential benefits for mild cases, but nothing or even worse outcomes for severe cases, and the potential side-effects are problematic. Thus far, the more positive the result of the trial, the more questionable the trial methodology has been.

FDA cautions use of hydroxychloroquine/chloroquine for COVID-19

Does not affect FDA-approved uses for malaria, lupus, and rheumatoid arthritis

www.fda.gov

AAAS

blogs.sciencemag.org

Hydroxychloroquine: First Large Study Does Not Support Routine Use in COVID-19 Patients

A study of nearly 1,400 patients with moderate to severe COVID-19 disease found that patients who received the drug did not fare any better than patients who did not receive the drug.

www.cuimc.columbia.edu

 

[Han_Zen]

and they cant find new farmers as all able bodied men have been conscripted into the army and shot for retreating from an unwinnable battle.

That's how you boost moral.

 

[Factabulous]

For the 1st day of deconfinement in France, this morning at 6 am in Paris, the metro was already full and the social distancing on the line 13 were nonexistent.



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At least in France I can see a case for easing restrictions - you have the new cases under control, even if they aren't dropping like Robin's:

I still wonder what the UK government think they are doing (other than looking at the rest of Europe and blindly following):

(And I wonder if the sites will have to start to split the UK figures now that England is easing restrictions but the other areas (Scotland / Wales / N. Ireland) are not )

Edit: Also interesting to look at the scales on the charts - the two countries have very similar populations, but the UK has a lot more cases. Then again the testing rate in France is even lower than the UK, so maybe they just can't test enough to see a rise?
Edit2: From https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

 

[Wotthe Dickens]

We’re being set up as the fall guys in the uk;
It’s our fault for dropping dead - we didn’t stay alert.
Edit: I strongly suggest you join a trade union if you aren’t already.

 

[Robin of Spiritwood]

Hydroxychloroquine is actually still being tried.

https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/Marik-Covid-Protocol-Summary.pdf

Dr. Marik is a well known intensivist, and he employs it as an option.

In other good news, the US death rate dropped to 750 yesterday. Best number for weeks.
The medical care there is quite good, ameliorating the high case numbers.

Maybe later this year New Zealand and Australia can be places we accept visitors from. Possibly for a match at the Queen's Park Oval.

 

[Patrick_68000]

At least in France I can see a case for easing restrictions - you have the new cases under control, even if they aren't dropping like Robin's:

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I still wonder what the UK government think they are doing (other than looking at the rest of Europe and blindly following):
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(And I wonder if the sites will have to start to split the UK figures now that England is easing restrictions but the other areas (Scotland / Wales / N. Ireland) are not )

Edit: Also interesting to look at the scales on the charts - the two countries have very similar populations, but the UK has a lot more cases. Then again the testing rate in France is even lower than the UK, so maybe they just can't test enough to see a rise?
Edit2: From https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

In France they only test people who have symptoms (for the moment).

If the curve of the cases is more important in the United Kingdom, that undoubtedly comes from the errors of Boris at the beginning with his policy of collective immunity.

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[Wotthe Dickens]

In France they only test people who have symptoms (for the moment).

If the curve of the cases is more important in the United Kingdom, that undoubtedly comes from the errors of Boris at the beginning with his policy of collective immunity.

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It’s still the policy of herd immunity.
But could do with correct and sufficient Ppe to support carers and aged and vulnerable.

 

[Patrick_68000]

It’s still the policy of herd immunity.

Currently in the UK ?

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[Zieman]

policy of herd immunity

I think they're doing that in Sweden.
Let everybody get infected. Anyone who dies, dies. Those that do not die will hopefully be immune afterwards.

 

[6xes]

Is Covid 19 still trending on twitter?
Wonder what the trend is today!!?? LOL