Exactly.
Yesterday in a TV debate, I heard that politicians know that vaccination is not the solution that will solve everything.
And the status quo is in the interest of large laboratories because colossal financial stakes are in the balance.
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Yesterday in a TV debate, I heard that politicians know that vaccination is not the solution that will solve everything.
And the status quo is in the interest of large laboratories because colossal financial stakes are in the balance.
I read that in the UK for the 1st day of deconfinement, there were many people who waited in the middle of the night and in the cold, 2-3 hours before the stores opened, to be the first to over-consume and buy superficial material goods.
How do you want to save the world with these kind of people ? Of course it's like that everywhere in developed countries, not just in the UK.
The main concern of people, is not the virus, but going shopping in stores and having a pint in a pub.
Pathetic !
Just curious:
Has anybody seen polio around? Or diptheria, whooping cough, or tetanus? How about smallpox? Any smallpox left on the planet in the wild?
Given our actual life experience with what vaccination did, why is there the assumption that this time it is going to be different?
If we had no vaccines that were 100% effective at stopping severe disease, maybe I could understand... but pretty much all of them either do that or come so close that it doesn't matter. There are 17 more vaccines in trials, and the existing ones are being upgraded.
If we get enough coverage, why would it not work?
Has anybody seen polio around? Or diptheria, whooping cough, or tetanus? How about smallpox? Any smallpox left on the planet in the wild?
Given our actual life experience with what vaccination did, why is there the assumption that this time it is going to be different?
If we had no vaccines that were 100% effective at stopping severe disease, maybe I could understand... but pretty much all of them either do that or come so close that it doesn't matter. There are 17 more vaccines in trials, and the existing ones are being upgraded.
If we get enough coverage, why would it not work?
Vaccination open for general population on March 15th. (Till then it was reserved for high risk population like medical personnel, elders 65+ and the likes)
So on March 20th I just put myself on Gov's waiting list at a nearby vaccination center - literally 200m from my flat.
Tomorrow i'm getting my first jab (Moderna)
Thinking about it: Telling people that they can book their vaccine appointment, for up to 80% off, for a limited time. 50% of the anti-vaxers, would sign up tomorrow.
Vaccination open for general population on March 15th. (Till then it was reserved for high risk population like medical personnel, elders 65+ and the likes)
So on March 20th I just put myself on Gov's waiting list at a nearby vaccination center - literally 200m from my flat.
Tomorrow i'm getting my first jab (Moderna)
If this disease kills old people mostly, what if we could make them younger, at the cost of some salt water and a low cost medical intervention?
You know how people were donating convalescent plasma? Turns out that plasma is worthless for treating Covid, but dumping it might make us age backwards.
Human attempt:
www.fightaging.org
In lab rats:
link.springer.com
This all got started when an experiment was done by connecting the circulations of a young rat to an old rat, causing the young one to age faster, and to reverse ageing in the old one.
The cause was first thought to be some unknown elixir of youth in young blood. They looked for years, no luck.
Well it was the opposite. It's the elixir of age in plasma that is driving the cell changes all through the body. Periodically dumping plasma and using salt water replacement might actually make older people age backwards.
You know how people were donating convalescent plasma? Turns out that plasma is worthless for treating Covid, but dumping it might make us age backwards.
Human attempt:
Self-Experimenters Make an Initial Attempt at Human Plasma Dilution
Today's news from the self-experimentation community notes a more adventurous effort, in which a few volunteers underwent blood plasma dilution followed by assessments of function. Plasma dilution, or neutral blood exchange, involves extracting blood, replacing the plasma fraction of that blood...
www.fightaging.org
In lab rats:
Plasma dilution improves cognition and attenuates neuroinflammation in old mice - GeroScience
Our recent study has established that young blood factors are not causal, nor necessary, for the systemic rejuvenation of mammalian tissues. Instead, a procedure referred to as neutral blood exchange (NBE) that resets signaling milieu to a pro-regenerative state through dilution of old plasma...
link.springer.com
This all got started when an experiment was done by connecting the circulations of a young rat to an old rat, causing the young one to age faster, and to reverse ageing in the old one.
The cause was first thought to be some unknown elixir of youth in young blood. They looked for years, no luck.
Well it was the opposite. It's the elixir of age in plasma that is driving the cell changes all through the body. Periodically dumping plasma and using salt water replacement might actually make older people age backwards.
Well that has dispersed any doubts about vaccines, I may have had. The potential of the above, offers some terrifying outcomes. So, make a clone, of myself and do a Total Recall and "Open my mind!"If this disease kills old people mostly, what if we could make them younger, at the cost of some salt water and a low cost medical intervention?
You know how people were donating convalescent plasma? Turns out that plasma is worthless for treating Covid, but dumping it might make us age backwards.
Human attempt:
Self-Experimenters Make an Initial Attempt at Human Plasma Dilution
Today's news from the self-experimentation community notes a more adventurous effort, in which a few volunteers underwent blood plasma dilution followed by assessments of function. Plasma dilution, or neutral blood exchange, involves extracting blood, replacing the plasma fraction of that blood...
In lab rats:
Plasma dilution improves cognition and attenuates neuroinflammation in old mice - GeroScience
Our recent study has established that young blood factors are not causal, nor necessary, for the systemic rejuvenation of mammalian tissues. Instead, a procedure referred to as neutral blood exchange (NBE) that resets signaling milieu to a pro-regenerative state through dilution of old plasma...
This all got started when an experiment was done by connecting the circulations of a young rat to an old rat, causing the young one to age faster, and to reverse ageing in the old one.
The cause was first thought to be some unknown elixir of youth in young blood. They looked for years, no luck.
Well it was the opposite. It's the elixir of age in plasma that is driving the cell changes all through the body. Periodically dumping plasma and using salt water replacement might actually make older people age backwards.
The solution (non-magical, very sensible) was fast and early lockdown. Horse has bolted though.Exactly.
Yesterday in a TV debate, I heard that politicians know that vaccination is not the solution that will solve everything.
And the status quo is in the interest of large laboratories because colossal financial stakes are in the balance.
Here in Australia it is pretty nice. The most recent inconvenience was we had to wear masks for a little bit. Everything is open and pretty much normal. At least where I am. Barely noticed Covid.
Scientists rank safest spots to run to if apocalyptic outbreak begins to wipe out humanity
SCIENTISTS have worked out the safest places for you to be if a sudden global pandemic threatens to wipe out humanity. They focused on islands because they are naturally isolated from the spread of…www.thesun.co.uk
Australia
New Zealand
Iceland
Malta
... are the top 4.
Since Dr. James Kirkland from Mayo Clinic connected Long Covid to a possible ageing switch, there's been some intensification in the interest in possible ways to undo it.
There are 2 authors of a remarkable little study in rats, where a 54% reversal in ageing was claimed, using the plasma dilution method above.
One author is Paul Horvath, for whom the Horvath Genetic Age Clock is named, a legit authority in estimating biological age, and the other is a Professor of Biology named Dr. Harold Katcher, who is new to me, but he has a good body of work.
Here is a legible-for-everybody report on it.
medium.com
Dr. Katcher in interviews seems a bit cagey and won't explain exactly what the method entailed as Patents are Pending. It really looks like the Quest for Funding rather than a breakthrough. We already know how to take the plasma out. If it comes to that, it isn't newtech.
Crude dilution is a starting point for research. Identifying exactly what chemicals are the problem is next, then where they come from , and how to neutralize them easily will follow.
If they are proteins, antibodies could take them out. Which leads to a vaccine vs ageing itself, and a one shot response to Long Covid.
There are 2 authors of a remarkable little study in rats, where a 54% reversal in ageing was claimed, using the plasma dilution method above.
One author is Paul Horvath, for whom the Horvath Genetic Age Clock is named, a legit authority in estimating biological age, and the other is a Professor of Biology named Dr. Harold Katcher, who is new to me, but he has a good body of work.
Here is a legible-for-everybody report on it.
Lost in the pandemic: a quiet breakthrough in anti-aging
Covid-19 is a raging fire eating up media cycles — in the background an experiment may have led to an earth-shaking remedy to age-related…
medium.com
Dr. Katcher in interviews seems a bit cagey and won't explain exactly what the method entailed as Patents are Pending. It really looks like the Quest for Funding rather than a breakthrough. We already know how to take the plasma out. If it comes to that, it isn't newtech.
Crude dilution is a starting point for research. Identifying exactly what chemicals are the problem is next, then where they come from , and how to neutralize them easily will follow.
If they are proteins, antibodies could take them out. Which leads to a vaccine vs ageing itself, and a one shot response to Long Covid.
The point is what is going to happen until coverage is sufficient .
Just my two cents but the only people with genuine cause to be skeptical
of vaccination are black people who were sterilised under the cover of a vaccination program.
of vaccination are black people who were sterilised under the cover of a vaccination program.
The first confinement (9 weeks) prevented 2,300 deaths in France linked to air pollution, estimates Public Health France
Each year there are between 40,000-50,000 deaths in France due to fine particles.
8 million deaths in 2018 worldwide, including nearly 100,000 in France in 2018 according to the journal Environmental Research.
100,000 is the number of deaths in France with covid to date.
Each year there are between 40,000-50,000 deaths in France due to fine particles.
8 million deaths in 2018 worldwide, including nearly 100,000 in France in 2018 according to the journal Environmental Research.
100,000 is the number of deaths in France with covid to date.
Yesterday, I went for a 12 mile walk with the gf and a couple of mates over the South Downs to a pub with a pint and meal and it was very nice.
I still think we’re (humans, or at least our concept of civilisation) are pretty screwed in our current direction but you know what? I didn’t really care in that moment.
Humans (and life) have suffered massive ‘calamities’ during our evolution but apart from some vague warning stories we just get on with it.
I’m pretty sure we’re failing to deal with this pandemic globally, and it’s not looking good for a global effort to pre-empt the next environmental disaster etc, but yep, I still enjoy my microcosm of friends and family and would move mountains to help and support them, and still enjoy being delighted by our amazing universe we temporarily inhabit.
Whatever we can do individually to make the world a better place is great, but even being on the phone to an elderly friend or relative can do that.
I’m not really sure where I’m going with this!
But look, we’ve sought safe places before! Check out the estimated C7th underground city holding 20,000 people- I wonder what they were shielding from!
en.wikipedia.org
I still think we’re (humans, or at least our concept of civilisation) are pretty screwed in our current direction but you know what? I didn’t really care in that moment.
Humans (and life) have suffered massive ‘calamities’ during our evolution but apart from some vague warning stories we just get on with it.
I’m pretty sure we’re failing to deal with this pandemic globally, and it’s not looking good for a global effort to pre-empt the next environmental disaster etc, but yep, I still enjoy my microcosm of friends and family and would move mountains to help and support them, and still enjoy being delighted by our amazing universe we temporarily inhabit.
Whatever we can do individually to make the world a better place is great, but even being on the phone to an elderly friend or relative can do that.
I’m not really sure where I’m going with this!
But look, we’ve sought safe places before! Check out the estimated C7th underground city holding 20,000 people- I wonder what they were shielding from!
Derinkuyu underground city - Wikipedia
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I came to this conclusion about 5 or 6 years ago. Up until then, I had been a huge consumer of news, events and so on, to keep me politically aware/educated. I then suffered (politically) a couple (at least) of hammer blows, it appeared that I was on the opposite side of how many of my fellow Britons felt about certain issues. I was feeling powerless. There was nothing my part in the democratic process was going to change. That is when it struck me.
The only thing I can affect change on is my sphere of influence. So I don't bark at my kids if they do something wrong, I try to be more patient and understanding of folk who I am presented with as I stroll through life. Perhaps the poor dimwit in the store made an error in serving me, rather than go to town on them, be nice about it, be cool, be patient. If I do that with everyone around me, then I have injected good into the world. If everyone does that, we all have. Not only would we be injecting good into the world, by not being a Richard about things, you are eliminating bad.
This to me is far greater than sticking a cross by a name, it has a far greater, readily available, potent effect.
Your post reminded me of this. I'm not always capable of doing these things, I mean, I cant be nice to Millwall fans, but I can at least keep trying.
Got my first shot. Got the Pfizer shot, and am due back in early May.
Estimated 200 in line at the dome. Went pretty fast. Pretty well organized. Cops, military, and private security were omnipresent. Registration details were confirmed online. The shots were administered by US military medics- not the State of Missouri. Very efficient and professional. Syringes and needles were used for an intramuscular injection. Wait and observation times for 15 min were applied for possible negative reactions. So, they did their homework. No ill effects, so far. I took a photo of my vaccination card.
Estimated 200 in line at the dome. Went pretty fast. Pretty well organized. Cops, military, and private security were omnipresent. Registration details were confirmed online. The shots were administered by US military medics- not the State of Missouri. Very efficient and professional. Syringes and needles were used for an intramuscular injection. Wait and observation times for 15 min were applied for possible negative reactions. So, they did their homework. No ill effects, so far. I took a photo of my vaccination card.
I should note the mood was pretty upbeat. People were happy that they were being treated well, and professionally.
It is called a sense of relief.
Eventually: The believers of the strongest county on the Planet, can see something is finally happening.
Enjoy! I’m going out Saturday and I can’t bloody wait
You did volunteer for the vaccine trials, right?
Well this might interest you.
Was researching if blood donors who dilute their plasma regularly gain a survival benefit. Seems the answer might be Yes,
The self interested ones would most likely just donate once or twice, not on a schedule. I think that the mechanism is the frequency of the dilution impeding ageing. Regardless, if selfless people live longer via their actions for some Karmic reason, something Good is going to happen to you.
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