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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
jasonbarron said:
Brings up a question I haven't thought of before now. Has Frontier released any announcements on how this is effecting their plans? I imagine that lots of schedules in the electronic entertainment industry are slipping big time.
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More or less.

Update from Frontier about the COVID-19 Situation

Hi everyone, We’d like to take a moment to update you all on what’s happening at Frontier with regards to COVID-19, and what you can expect from us in the foreseeable future. In order to safeguard the health and safety of all Frontier employees, we are implementing a work from home policy...
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Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
jasonbarron said:
God bless our leadership for being wise enough to collaborate, but that announcement is not all that I'm talking about:)
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International collaboration is absolutely essential. For example, the 'game-changer' recently announced by the POTUS (chloroquine) was shown to be effective against SARS by another Belgian team over at KU Leuven in 2004 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15351731). A chinese team held promising early trials against Corona (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15351731), and a week before the POTUS's announcement both hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine became part of emergency treatment protocol over here (to my knowledge, the first in the West). Whether it actually turns out to work or not is another question(!), but international collaboration between all the knowledge centers around the world is essential.

And to be clear and for whom it may concern, that also means not downplaying the contributions of other countries and not trying to gain exclusive rights to knowledge relevant to fighting this crisis. It creates a bad faith atmosphere that is not conducive to fruitful collaboration.
 

sewerratuk

sewerratuk
Ian Skippy said:
Oh, I have no doubt bailout of airline industry will happen. They started begging a week ago in many countries. The socialist in me is no fan: you want tax payers' money? Sure, but then the tax payers own you. You want to be a private corporation again? Sure, just pay the people their money back. No free lunch for massive corporations while the small businesses and employees get shafted.
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Who’s going to pay back the 80% of everyones salaries the uk government is covering?
 

Manticore

Manticore
Rubbernuke said:
I walked into my tool shed and realised I'm Doomguy- I have giant chainsaws, garden 'swords', axes, boltguns- I assume Doomguy has a Dremel multitool too.

This means no-one, and I mean no-one gets to my cheddar in the fridge when the end comes (i.e. I run out of tea).
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Rubbernuke said:
Today was a good day in the garden....

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I mowed the lawn the other day.....
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Robin of Spiritwood

Robin of Spiritwood

Matt McCarthy@DrMattMcCarthy
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https://twitter.com/DrMattMcCarthy/status/1240981289764818947
Replying to @DrMattMcCarthy

Both plaquenil & azithromycin can potentially cause a cardiac disturbance called prolonged QTc. Taken together, these drugs might cause a fatal arrhythmia (torsades de pointes). Or they might help clear virus from the blood. We don't really know. Strong opinions on both sides.

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Exactly what I was saying. This again is why I didn't even want to talk about this medicine.

Torsades de pointes is a deadly arrhythmia, so even with a cardiac monitor and a trained resident with a syringe of Mag sulph at the bedside, DON'T go using these drugs when the virus itself is futzing up the heart muscle electricity too unless you can get a pacemaker line up AND have a defib on standby.

Leave that stuff to the ICU. Try it in large numbers and the death rate will go higher than from the virus alone.

www.dockaysworld.com.ng

Coronavirus: NCDC warns against use of Chloroquine as Nigerians begin to overdose » Dockaysworld

The Nigeria Center for Disease Control NCDC has advised Nigerians to desist from self medicating with Chloroquine as a remedy for Coronavirus.
www.dockaysworld.com.ng www.dockaysworld.com.ng

Seriously. Don't. Never take medical advice from amateurs. I'm holding the drugs as an option of desperate last resort.
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
I had a discussion on survival after an apocalypse thing with one of the local incomers today outside the local island shop... Cheery topic but obviously on his mind. I found out the sum total of his reasoning and knowledge was either gained from Hollywood or watching Ray Mears making an idiot of himself on TV. Most folks nowadays, cosseted by a dependence on someone else knowing how to do 'stuff'... especially city or town dwellers have absolutely no idea that if it came down to merely a simple thing like electricity and consequently water and sewage supplies ceasing nationally or world wide...most of them would die within a few weeks, more than a few through simple ailments like dysentry and the resulting dehydration.

As a species, most modern humans have forgotten how to survive or even how to live should someone not ensure their electric can openers have power or even how to find food outside of a supermarket. I'm very fortunate...like many ex forces and combat veterans that I'm not only trained but rather competent at doing the surviving bit, mixed in with being a born and raised country dweller I know what I can eat from the land, where to find it, how to prepare it, catch it, fish it or trap it without ready made equipment or firearms...somewhat slightly more importantly, I know what not to eat as well as what plants and foodstuffs are naturally medicinal as well as anti bacterial.

My ready bag is still packed after 20 years, as are my son's... who like me never really unpacked them...just in case.
 
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GJ51

GJ51
Synkreto said:
Source(s) ?

Also, it would be SO much better if they all collaborated instead of competed...
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1) I'm tired of doing everyone's Google searches - here's my last one:

Google Search

www.google.com

2) As far as collaboration vs. competition? I guess that depends on how long you want development of an active treatment to be found. Do you prefer organizing a group that will deliberate until we are fighting the next flu strain or do you want those involved to be motivated to compete to be first to market an effective treatment and perhaps see several options emerge that may have several effective options that prove to be more effective depending on varying conditions.

When Immitrex was introduced as the first effective treatment for migraine, it had side effects and was of varying effectiveness for different users. Now there are a good selection of Triptins for treating migraine that enable sufferers to find one that works well for them. And no - I won't provide a link - I know this from personal experience.

I'll take competition over collaboration any day

Anyone still driving a Trabant?

My condolences

I'll take a BMW X3 M40i
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
GJ51 said:
1) I'm tired of doing everyone's Google searches - here's my last one:

Google Search

www.google.com

2) As far as collaboration vs. competition? I guess that depends on how long you want development of an active treatment to be found. Do you prefer organizing a group that will deliberate until we are fighting the next flu strain or do you want those involved to be motivated to compete to be first to market an effective treatment and perhaps see several options emerge that may have several effective options that prove to be more effective depending on varying conditions.

When Immitrex was introduced as the first effective treatment for migraine, it had side effects and was of varying effectiveness for different users. Now there are a good selection of Triptins for treating migraine that enable sufferers to find one that works well for them. And no - I won't provide a link - I know this from personal experience.

I'll take competition over collaboration any day

Anyone still driving a Trabant?

My condolences

I'll take a BMW X3 M40i
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That's all well and good couldn't really care less which method achieves working treatments or vaccines for covid-19.

As long as the distribution and information sharing is strictly collaborative afterwards. This is too big a deal to allow some scumbag (or bags) to selfishly sit on it or even profiteer on the back of it. Collaboration at the development stage decreases the chances of that.
 

lysan

lysan
Mole HD said:
I had a discussion on survival after an apocalypse thing with one of the local incomers today outside the local island shop... Cheery topic but obviously on his mind. I found out the sum total of his reasoning and knowledge was either gained from Hollywood or watching Ray Mears making an idiot of himself on TV. Most folks nowadays, cosseted by a dependence on someone else knowing how to do 'stuff'... especially city or town dwellers have absolutely no idea that if it came down to merely a simple thing like electricity and consequently water and sewage supplies ceasing nationally or world wide...most of them would die within a few weeks, more than a few through simple ailments like dysentry and the resulting dehydration.

As a species, most modern humans have forgotten how to survive or even how to live should someone not ensure their electric can openers have power or even how to find food outside of a supermarket. I'm very fortunate...like many ex forces and combat veterans that I'm not only trained but rather competent at doing the surviving bit, mixed in with being a born and raised country dweller I know what I can eat from the land, where to find it, how to prepare it, catch it, fish it or trap it without ready made equipment or firearms...somewhat slightly more importantly, I know what not to eat as well as what plants and foodstuffs are naturally medicinal as well as anti bacterial.

My ready bag is still packed after 20 years, as are my son's... who like me never really unpacked them...just in case.
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Most people can’t prepare /cook a meal unless it’s frozen and goes into the micro. In case of a collapse of our society, 95% of the people in the cities will probably go extinct.
 
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