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I don't get so bent out of shape about so called freedoms tbh. There are all sorts of laws in this country they're unable to implement properly. The stuff that I oppose that comes anywhere near this is the erosion of things like workers rights and the taking away of things like legal aid to bring a case against an employer. I find those way more upsetting than the govt, during an unprecedented pandemic, trying to force people into safe behaviour. I get the point that when they bring in a law to rectify one problem, they never revoke that law if the issue goes away and furthermore they use that law to overlay on a whole other raft of issues, I also understand about keeping an eye on govt keep them in check as to what they're trying to do and why. On the whole though, certainly in the UK, I feel we're a pretty free society, not many books are banned, most laws started with a good intention at the start rather than just flat out control. I can name any politician and criticise them (not here obviously) on most any platform or in the pub or street, without fear that the police will come crashing through my door and I will disappear. Things can always be better and we shouldn't let our guard down but we're ok in the UK.
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I don't get so bent out of shape about so called freedoms tbh. There are all sorts of laws in this country they're unable to implement properly. The stuff that I oppose that comes anywhere near this is the erosion of things like workers rights and the taking away of things like legal aid to bring a case against an employer. I find those way more upsetting than the govt, during an unprecedented pandemic, trying to force people into safe behaviour. I get the point that when they bring in a law to rectify one problem, they never revoke that law if the issue goes away and furthermore they use that law to overlay on a whole other raft of issues, I also understand about keeping an eye on govt keep them in check as to what they're trying to do and why. On the whole though, certainly in the UK, I feel we're a pretty free society, not many books are banned, most laws started with a good intention at the start rather than just flat out control. I can name any politician and criticise them (not here obviously) on most any platform or in the pub or street, without fear that the police will come crashing through my door and I will disappear. Things can always be better and we shouldn't let our guard down but we're ok in the UK.
Stagger the hours of those three clubs with overlap and you entirely eliminate the problem as the people who want to drink can easily, the people who want to go home can easily and there's no artificial rush so people drink at a sensible rate.
I agree however, as I stated earlier, Britain has a centuries long problematic relationship with alcohol. Any measures will only come up against this nations weird drinking habit.
As an aside, I heard a bloke talking about how you can tell who is in control of a country by the drugs it 'promotes' to its people. So in a lot of societies, we're all on coffee during the week, get us nice and productive, buzzed up and so on for the workday and at the weekends we get obliterated and dosy on alcohol to keep us subdued and quiet. It has some holes as theories go but it has a ring of truth about it also.
A habit caused entirely by the licensing hours over generations. Change the hours and you change behaviour people would adapt to it after a couple of silly weekends which nobody would notice what with every weekend being silly under the current system (when its not all locked down).
All societies have always had at least one legal drug. Prohibition just doesn't work as people enjoy getting stoned/drunk.
I'm the last person you'll ever see at a pub. I don't drink and I don't much like people, so I'm almost as allergic to bars as I am to houses of worship.
I can blame them.
The idea that expert consensus must be infallible to be useful, is somehow less reliable than non-expert opinion, or isn't better than an anecdotal correlation one has made, is a dangerous level of obtuseness.
Ideally, there would be no coercion at all and most people would take actual threats seriously enough to do what was best for everyone by simply prioritizing the health and safety of themselves and those they care about. Of course, this is rarely the case.
I'm not sure there are any easy answers, especially once you get enough people in a small enough area.
Personally, I'm not going to stop anyone from doing as they will, unless they present a fairly direct threat to me and mine...but I am openly critical of those I perceive as acting too cavalier for a given situation.
It's easy to fall victim to complacency and easy to overlook issues that don't yet hit too close to home.
I can blame them.
The idea that expert consensus must be infallible to be useful, is somehow less reliable than non-expert opinion, or isn't better than an anecdotal correlation one has made, is a dangerous level of obtuseness.
Ideally, there would be no coercion at all and most people would take actual threats seriously enough to do what was best for everyone by simply prioritizing the health and safety of themselves and those they care about. Of course, this is rarely the case.
I'm not sure there are any easy answers, especially once you get enough people in a small enough area.
Personally, I'm not going to stop anyone from doing as they will, unless they present a fairly direct threat to me and mine...but I am openly critical of those I perceive as acting too cavalier for a given situation.
It's easy to fall victim to complacency and easy to overlook issues that don't yet hit too close to home.
About a year ago coincidentally, I was wondering that if we had a collapse of civilisation, what would be the best thing to stockpile as currency!?
I couldn’t come to a single item but dabbled with the idea of lighters
Here we are a year later... what do you think the best currency would be if there’s a run the banks or hyperinflation?
I couldn’t come to a single item but dabbled with the idea of lighters
Here we are a year later... what do you think the best currency would be if there’s a run the banks or hyperinflation?
About a year ago coincidentally, I was wondering that if we had a collapse of civilisation, what would be the best thing to stockpile as currency!?
I couldn’t come to a single item but dabbled with the idea of lighters
Here we are a year later... what do you think the best currency would be if there’s a run the banks or hyperinflation?
I'm gonna say tulips. They only go up in value, never down. Can't ever go wrong with tulips.
Haha, yeah I know that one
It’s interesting that even paintings of tulips stopped. I wonder how art will reflect this period. Here in the uk, although turning to many creative ideas, the arts are struggling and haven’t been supported by the gov :-(
I quite enjoyed the Grayson Perry bbc art club.
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You can theorise and wring your hands over the difficulties of the philosophy, or you could just copy the people that actually solved the problem.
We'll wait for Americans to work it out. It's not us that are piling up in hospitals.
About a year ago coincidentally, I was wondering that if we had a collapse of civilisation, what would be the best thing to stockpile as currency!?
I couldn’t come to a single item but dabbled with the idea of lighters
Here we are a year later... what do you think the best currency would be if there’s a run the banks or hyperinflation?
Practical skills. They directly benefit you and you can loan them out for whatever you need off other people.
Crap, I'm hosed.
Well, sorry if i don't like authoritarian rulers, life is dangerous, when you're born you're basically on your own. it will burn out by it's self, people die all the time, wars, hunger, I mean where are all the people when that is an issue? So if some guy or girl want to have a pint and take the risk, I'm not going to stop them.
If a civilization collapses another moves in. It has happened hundreds of times, in history. Chaos is short lived, because it’s inefficient.About a year ago coincidentally, I was wondering that if we had a collapse of civilisation, what would be the best thing to stockpile as currency!?
I couldn’t come to a single item but dabbled with the idea of lighters
Here we are a year later... what do you think the best currency would be if there’s a run the banks or hyperinflation?
The currency would just have a different name.
About a year ago coincidentally, I was wondering that if we had a collapse of civilisation, what would be the best thing to stockpile as currency!?
I couldn’t come to a single item but dabbled with the idea of lighters
Here we are a year later... what do you think the best currency would be if there’s a run the banks or hyperinflation?
History says gold. Always gold. And guess what: There's no actual physical gold currency available for purchase anywhere at the moment. It is almost funny.
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When you say British, are you referring to the English? The British encompasses all of the isles. Also, are you suggesting that the Scottish are a shining example of moderate drinkingDuring world war one the hours British pubs could stay open were shortened to get artillery munitions made faster for the front (it didn't work and the new rules were never applied to posh drinking clubs frequented by the rich). Despite claiming at the time it was a war emergency thing which would be cancelled they kept it until recently.
This led to having to drink quickly as the hours between finishing work having something to eat and the pub closing dropped to about three. It results in a rush to the bar, fast drinking a rush to the bar at closing time then a rush to taxi ranks all of which become flashpoints of bother as everyone competes and they can't drink at a rate where they can stay sensibly happy but not legless.
In Scotland where 24 hour licensing was a thing there's no rush and no flashpoints as you can do things in your own time and there's always somewhere open (not on football days that's carnage for medieval religious reasons).
So the Brits decided to mimic the Scottish method to get rid of the "rush" problem and hopefully introduce a more continental relaxed approach to drinking.
So they introduced late licences. However they issued exactly the same late licences to everyone so instead of spreading opening hours and eliminating the rush which was the point they just pushed it back everywhere by a couple of hours.
Typical British poor implementation of a good idea from elsewhere. Its like the UK fast food industry we copied from America you get all the disadvantages (unhealthy, litter, aggressive advertising at kids) but not the speed.
When you say British, are you referring to the English? The British encompasses all of the isles. Also, are you suggesting that the Scottish are a shining example of moderate drinking
I get how desperate you are to feign personal or nationalistic offence at peoples posts, I don't find it remotely convincing though. If the thread genuinely hurts your feelings don't read it.
Nice try British Stig
I have EU citizenship.
It's not up to us as individuals anyhow.
Also, you are implying that my country
is governed by "authoritarian rulers".Like Yul Brynner the Emperor ?
Remind you of my guys?
I'm trying not to take offense, which is easy, because it's so ironic.
If the rulers over there
were not "authoritarian", they'd be doing a whole lot better. Like by listening to doctors about disease. Or following the established protocols in the Pandemic Playbook. Or attending their briefings, and reading the material. Or not trying to do Pharmacology with household cleaning products.Et cetera, Et cetera, Et cetera.
But you seem to like what you have. So you have NO problem with authoritarians. You have a problem with competence.
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