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Sorry to hear that ,I fear the UK could be just a few weeks behind France.

In France the public health service reports an "underestimation of the increase in the number of confirmed cases due to the probable saturation of diagnostic capacities", as well as "an underestimation of the number of clusters".

Well at the current official (and unofficial) pace, will we achieve the collective imunity ?

Yes certainly the United Kingdom will follow France unfortunately.

The time for the virus to cross the Channel more frequently. :) :(

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Facing uncertainty:


In December 2014 I Quit smoking and in 2019 I was told I had high blood pressure and cholesterol. I did the couch to 5k thing, bought a Fitbit and fixed it all.

These last few months I’ve undone most of that hard work. I’ve gradually started smoking again at weekends and I’m eating crap because.... what’s the point?

For me a lot of what is said in that article rings true, sadly 🤕
 
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Daily infection rate is dropping. Deaths at 70. 5 in ICU.

In December 2014 I Quit smoking and in 2019 I was told I had high blood pressure and cholesterol. I did the couch to 5k thing, bought a Fitbit and fixed it all.

These last few months I’ve undone most of that hard work. I’ve gradually started smoking again at weekends and I’m eating crap because.... what’s the point?

For me a lot of what is said in that article rings true, sadly 🤕

Same thing here.
I was extremely fit before this.
I was trying to do adaptive exercise to increase cardiorespiratory reserve prior to the outbreak in Jan/Feb, but then got sick, and subsequently had some extensive surgery.
That does not excuse why I now eat garbage compared to before. Or why it's been literally months since trying to train. Everything seems pointless.

It is illogical to survive the event, and then just get a stupid regular heart attack. But that is what will happen. How can we fix this?

I will give up soda as a first step, and drink water instead. Something small.

If you want to restart something, how about a 4 minute no equipment routine:
 
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Our problem is directly linked to the political imperative of no shutdown before the election, followed by selfish younger individuals trying to beat the deadline.

You can apply this info to your own country, and estimate the risk level accordingly. There were political rallies held between the 2 first markers above. Did this have any effect?
I would guess not much. The exponential curve was already spotted a week before by me.

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Screengrab from local TV, Ministry of Health Epidemiological Unit data day by day, same period.
August in purple, September in dark blue. You can see that it looks a bit different to the website Covid tracker above, and that might be due to reporting problems as labs clump up the results. The Epidemiological Unit has the day by day breakdown in detail, names, addresses, where they caught it, who was in contact etc. It looks like the imposition of the mask mandate was counterproductive. Cases in purple were already on the decline, and it was deadline rushing by the young that caused the second spike and elevation.

It's possible that better leadership without a deadline would have worked better, in our relatively sensible population.

You can visually estimate that this bit will be supressed in about 4 more weeks? Maybe? Or it could plateau.
We tried to hold out without supplies till the peak was over, but had to go and buy wholesale again yesterday, everything from milk to tinned stuff.
The risk is declining here, for now.
 
"In three to four weeks, France will have to face, if nothing changes, a generalized epidemic throughout its territory for many months (autumn and winter), with a health system unable to respond to all requests", warned the president of the national council of the Order of Physicians.

"The second wave is coming faster than we expected", he said.

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In December 2014 I Quit smoking and in 2019 I was told I had high blood pressure and cholesterol. I did the couch to 5k thing, bought a Fitbit and fixed it all.

These last few months I’ve undone most of that hard work. I’ve gradually started smoking again at weekends and I’m eating crap because.... what’s the point?

For me a lot of what is said in that article rings true, sadly 🤕

I struggle massively with my weight, the trick is to keep busy.

Get out walking, take your podcast/audiobook with you.

Volunteer to deliver to/help the elderly/vulnerable in your area.

The weight wont fall off the way 'exercise' makes it, but it will fall off in a sustainable controlled manner and your self confidence/mental health will improve with if.

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Well at the current official (and unofficial) pace, will we achieve the collective imunity ?

Wouldn't count on it.

Facing uncertainty:


As an existential nihilist I've never been able to empathize with these feelings. I find the assertion that "we all assume that there will be a future world that survives our particular life, a world populated by people roughly like us, including some who are related to us or known to us. Though we rarely or acknowledge it, this presumed future world is the horizon towards which everything we do in the present is oriented" particularly amusing in it's alienness.

I've made no such assumptions about the existence of a future that continues beyond my ability to perceive it, let alone that it'd be one I'd recognize. I do hedge my bets though. Since I both suspect and hope to be around for many more tomorrows, I do what I reasonably can today to make them as pleasant as possible--without putting all my eggs in one basket by assuming any particular vision for the world, or my own future, will pan out. When I do 'invest' in the future, I try not to do so at the expense of the now, and I focus on things that are the most universally applicable...my own health, knowledge, and experiences, rather than more tangible assets.

Anyway, uncertainty and doubt can be reassuring themselves...they provide perspective and guard against hubris.

These last few months I’ve undone most of that hard work. I’ve gradually started smoking again at weekends and I’m eating crap because.... what’s the point?

I suppose not feeling like crap is my primary motivation, and I've always felt like crap if I was overly indiscriminate, gluttonous, too lazy, in my habits.


What do they call the guy who just gets a motorboat?
 
US FDA is looking at a minimum period of 2 months observation after volunteers get any vaccine candidate, as part of an increased level of vigilance needed as public confidence in vaccination is declining. They don't think that the US public can tolerate any flaws with the vaccine, and decreased future vaccination poses a serious threat to public health, in general. So no failure is to be permitted, according to reports.

I'm skeptical that they would just jump in without observing the effects in the first place.

This is causing a potential delay in starting any vaccination campaign, as problems can well arise, and push the deadline back some more. Naturally, as US elections are close by, this poses additional timing problems.

More importantly, delays cost lives as this thing grinds on. Two months = 15000 to 25000 dead people. In the US alone.

Two month delay has to be considered as a worldwide delay, as everybody is waiting, so maybe looking at worldwide deaths would be truer. At 4000 per day, that's 240,000 people. Assuming it plateaus right where it is, and winter never comes.

Real unlikely that would be worse than the volunteer effects. Probably 100 times as many as the volunteers. They'd have to all die multiple times. Ha ha maths.

But getting a safe vaccine is important as theoretically much more people in the future would get exposed to vaccine doses than even from the pandemic disease this year. Less than 10 % population is infected now. We need to vaccinate world population for say 5 years to be sure it is eradicated.

It is a high price we pay for the vaccine skepticism in the "developed" world.
 
In December 2014 I Quit smoking and in 2019 I was told I had high blood pressure and cholesterol. I did the couch to 5k thing, bought a Fitbit and fixed it all.

These last few months I’ve undone most of that hard work. I’ve gradually started smoking again at weekends and I’m eating crap because.... what’s the point?

For me a lot of what is said in that article rings true, sadly 🤕

I'm having the exact opposite experience. Since I've started working from home due to the pandemic, I've been eating much better quality meals, no more stuffing junk food in 30 minutes. Also, being in peace and quiet at home instead of having to put up with daily office shenanigans, I've also finally quit smoking completely and reduced coffee. And the best part, having to avoid places with people, I spend even more time than before hiking hills on weekends, and having a lot more daily free time due to no commutes, I now take much longer walks in the woods with my 3 dogs.

I'm on my top health and fitness levels in past 20 years, thanks to remote working.
 
I'm having the exact opposite experience. Since I've started working from home due to the pandemic, I've been eating much better quality meals, no more stuffing junk food in 30 minutes. Also, being in peace and quiet at home instead of having to put up with daily office shenanigans, I've also finally quit smoking completely and reduced coffee. And the best part, having to avoid places with people, I spend even more time than before hiking hills on weekends, and having a lot more daily free time due to no commutes, I now take much longer walks in the woods with my 3 dogs.

I'm on my top health and fitness levels in past 20 years, thanks to remote working.

Same here, somewhat. I have spent a lot of time in field camps or on ships, and you either develop a healthy routine or turn into a wreck. When lockdown commenced here, I went back into fieldwork mode, started running again and lost 10 kg. I made my vices into rituals, so they take longer and are more enjoyable. Coffee, for example, I roast the green beans myself now. So I have one cup a day, but it is a very good one.

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Same here, somewhat. I have spent a lot of time in field camps or on ships, and you either develop a healthy routine or turn into a wreck. When lockdown commenced here, I went back into fieldwork mode, started running again and lost 10 kg. I made my vices into rituals, so they take longer and are more enjoyable. Coffee, for example, I roast the green beans myself now. So I have one cup a day, but it is a very good one.

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The bigger differences for me is that before when I got home from work, I no longer had the patience for exercise, I just took a short walk in the street with my dogs, and many times I just had pizza or sandwiches for dinner, after already having quick "mall meals" for lunch... If it weren't for the hikes in the hills I did on most weekends, I'd be a sphere by now :D

Now I have more free time for lunch (and breakfast) so I can prepare proper meals, and especially I finish work with a lot more energy and disposition, so most days I get my family and dogs in the car and take them for an hour, hour and a half walk in the nearby woods. At night we now have a proper (but lightweight) dinner. At the weekends, I pick a new trail in the hills (have loads of them in a 150 km radius), put some cold water bottles in backpacks, and off we go hiking and climbing, through hills and valleys, it's great both for health (both physical and mental) and sightseeing. We usually go early in the morning, so we can finish around 1pm and still have a nice picnic in some scenic location.

You being from New Zealand will have a huge number of absolutely fantastic locations all around you, I must admit I quite envy you in this regard :D I always dreamed of making the Tongariro alpine crossing, or seeing Milford Sound and Mount Taranaki... :)

The only thing I truly miss from before is holiday travelling... But I was always kind of a hermit before, I'm definitely not one of those "Ï hate people" types, but I always preferred the peace and quiet of nature, and favored the less crowded, quieter places, so dealing with all this wasn't really that much of a change for me, I was fortunate enough to just getting more time for the things I already enjoyed the most.. But I understand that for the more extrovert people these times must have been a lot harder.
 
The bigger differences for me is that before when I got home from work, I no longer had the patience for exercise, I just took a short walk in the street with my dogs, and many times I just had pizza or sandwiches for dinner, after already having quick "mall meals" for lunch... If it weren't for the hikes in the hills I did on most weekends, I'd be a sphere by now :D

Now I have more free time for lunch (and breakfast) so I can prepare proper meals, and especially I finish work with a lot more energy and disposition, so most days I get my family and dogs in the car and take them for an hour, hour and a half walk in the nearby woods. At night we now have a proper (but lightweight) dinner. At the weekends, I pick a new trail in the hills (have loads of them in a 150 km radius), put some cold water bottles in backpacks, and off we go hiking and climbing, through hills and valleys, it's great both for health (both physical and mental) and sightseeing. We usually go early in the morning, so we can finish around 1pm and still have a nice picnic in some scenic location.

You being from New Zealand will have a huge number of absolutely fantastic locations all around you, I must admit I quite envy you in this regard :D I always dreamed of making the Tongariro alpine crossing, or seeing Milford Sound and Mount Taranaki... :)

The only thing I truly miss from before is holiday travelling... But I was always kind of a hermit before, I'm definitely not one of those "Ï hate people" types, but I always preferred the peace and quiet of nature, and favored the less crowded, quieter places, so dealing with all this wasn't really that much of a change for me, I was fortunate enough to just getting more time for the things I already enjoyed the most.. But I understand that for the more extrovert people these times must have been a lot harder.

NZ does have some cool locations. I live in the middle of dairy farm country, though, which looks bare to me - I'm from near the sea and a relatively small island which amusingly enough is named Zealand. Luckily, it is not too far from our home here to some cool sights. Wifey and I went to Hobbiton two weeks ago. I then had to take about a week off while my stomach recovered from the great pie and beer I had at lunch at the Green Dragon, which at least got me resting up properly for once. While unable to go anywhere (or unwilling), I have two assignments to hand in and two public presentations to give during the next few weeks. Gaming is reduced to murdering a few Thargoid scouts in my half-baked T-10 xeno hunter...

I love cooking, find it very relaxing. It's been such a priority that if I haven't had time to do so for extended periods of time, I have reshuffled my life to make room for it again. I do miss having dogs, as they are great excuses to go for walks. I did walk my cats, which was always hilarious.

No cases in New Zealand today. Good news, but looking at the data coming out of Europe, it is and probably will be for a long time, way too early to go back to "business as usual". Whatever that was. 2019 is so long ago...

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It seems that the Institut Pasteur in Paris is optimistic about a treatment (not a vaccine).

They found a molecule in an already existing (cheap) generic drug with no side effects.

By injecting this molecule into a cell infected with Covid, they noticed that this molecule kills the Covid.

They will now test on voluntary patients. They say if the tests are conclusive, this treatment could be available in Q1 2021 (at the same time as Odyssey :))

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