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The French gov has just announced a resolution in progress to the freight ban which should resolve in the next few days so at least that's something.
 
During my university time, I once suggested that since brains are "just" a large amount of neurons, and since bacteria or fungi in a colony communicate using signaling molecules similar to the ones a brain uses in the synapses, that potentially a colony of microorganisms might be able to show some sort of intelligent behavior. Well...


With a virus, not so much. A virus is not really a living organism. It has no metabolism, and it has no way of reproducing on its own. It needs a host. The lack of metabolism btw. is interesting because a type of virus called a bacteriophage, which attacks bacteria, needs to inject its nucleic acids (RNA or DNA) into the bacteria, and that takes energy, something a living cell normally gets through metabolism:

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Phages (green) inserting DNA into a bacteria (yellow/brown). The DNA is the green "worms" inside the bacteria.
Remember the Cerberus plague!
 
Of interest to us, this means that Frontier is caught up in this, and we might have a longer-than-normal abandonment period over the holidays.

Odyssey might slide.
I think it would be best. If commanders stayed in their ships, for a while longer. I mean, if they are getting about and mixing with each other, it will only spread this virus more. So best to postpone Odyssey, until this is under control.

WHAT?
 
I still can't find non political or press sources for the 70% more infectious strain. Found this though :

“I wonder whether a scientist gave an estimate, perhaps asked what he would say if he had to give a figure, and then it takes on a life of its own,” Christian Drosten said, the Daily Mail reported.

“Then it enters politics and politicians use this figure and the media takes it up. Suddenly there’s a figure out there — 70 percent — and nobody even knows what it means,” he told Deutschlandfunk radio, the UK outlet reported.

German virologist downplays fears about new mutation of COVID-19 (nypost.com)
 
I think most people are accepting that the 70% figure is an estimate and that more research is required - certainly that is what this news source is saying:


At least the Russians haven't come forward with their own variant that's 95% more infectious ;)
 
I still can't find non political or press sources for the 70% more infectious strain. Found this though :



German virologist downplays fears about new mutation of COVID-19 (nypost.com)
Dunno if this is what you're looking for - search term Nervtag

PDF of last Friday meeting

A snippet - more data due this week apparently..

NERVTAG concluded that there are currently insufficient data to draw any conclusion on:
o Underlying mechanism of increased transmissibility (e.g. increased viral load, tissue distribution of virus replication, serial interval etc)
 
I think most people are accepting that the 70% figure is an estimate and that more research is required - certainly that is what this news source is saying:


At least the Russians haven't come forward with their own variant that's 95% more infectious ;)

I've been trying to find where the estimate came from to gauge it's reliability, it may well be the same sources who initially pushed for herd immunity.
 
I've been trying to find where the estimate came from to gauge it's reliability, ...........

Here you go then:

"Dr Muge Cevik, a member of the government’s New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag), said that more than 4,000 Sars-Cov-2 mutations had been observed so far, of which maybe a handful appeared to be of any significance.

The chief medical officer for England, Chris Whitty, said the new variant discovered in the south-east could be up to 70% more transmissible and could increase the R value by 0.4 or more. Given the data so far, it does not appear to raise the risk of severe illness or the mortality rate."

(My emphasis.)

taken from https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/20/fast-spreading-covid-variant-in-england-uk

Also see:


NERVTAG meeting on SARS-CoV-2 variant under investigation VUI-202012/01

" Fouranalytic approaches were reviewed regarding the transmissibility of VUI-202012/01
oGrowth rate from genomic data:which suggest a growth rate of VUI-202012/01that that is 71% (95%CI: 67%-75%)higher than other variants.
oStudies of correlation between R-values and detection of the variant: which suggest an absolute increase in the R-value of between 0.39 to 0.93.
oPCR ct values: which suggest a decrease of ct value of around 2 associated with the new variant.
oViral load inferred from number of unique genome reads: which suggests 0.5 increase in median log10inferred viral load in Y501 versus N501. "

" It was noted that VUI-202012/01has demonstrated exponential growth during a period when national lockdown measures were in place. "

" In summary, NERVTAG has moderate confidence that VUI-202012/01 demonstrates a substantial increase in transmissibility compared to other variants. "

(Their emphasis)

EDIT: I just noticed the NERVTAG meeting was already mentioned by @ianw - sorry I didn't read that post earlier.
 
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At least the Russians haven't come forward with their own variant that's 95% more infectious ;)

From Mother Russia's bosom springs soldiers who are superior in every way. And I am the greatest of these.
- Natasha Volkova
-Red Alert 3, picture not included because this is a PG forum but you may search if you are so inclined.

Really sorry about the UK situation, it was bad enough before. Now on toppa that I'm posting bad Russian jokes. Who can save us now?

Where is Bazmeson?
 

A bunch of armed dimwits who demand the right to get sick and spread death invaded the Oregon Legislature.

That last rule led to tension in the Senate Monday morning, when state Sen. Dallas Heard, R-Roseburg, objected to statewide mask requirements. Heard accused his colleagues of being involved in a “campaign against the people and the children of god.” Heard expressed anger at the mask mandate in the state Capitol, ripped his mask off and left the floor.

:ROFLMAO:
When Sen. Heard comes to the ICU, wait till he discovers the delights that lie in store for him. Urinary catheters, endotracheal intubation, central lines, chest tubes...

But most of all, these people are in dire need of enemas.
 
so you make every source that talks about the 70% political or press, but then daily mail and deutchlandfunk radio and nypost are neither :D who would you accept as a proper source? david icke? :D

The thing is, the man they spoke to and are quoting pretty much is "THE Man" re Coronavirusses . ( edit: he actually specializes in human CoVs - but ofc. knows a lot about the Family in general ) .

He is one of the leading experts on this . Globally .

He coisolated SARS (CoV-1) and also made the first PCR Test for that then, as well as he and his Team did for SARS-CoV-2 . He is Dr.med., has been Controlling Director of a molecular diagnostics Lab for some years, is a trained Epidemiologist, Microbiologist and Virologist . He is Head of departement of Virology at one of the most prestigious Institutes in Europe - Charite Berlin .

Diss the paper if you wish . But Prof. Dr. Drosten very much knows what he is talking about .
 
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Btw., it looks like there's a Variant emerging in SA :

"Clinicians have been providing anecdotal evidence of a shift in the clinical epidemiological picture – in particular noting that they are seeing a larger proportion of younger patients with no comorbidities presenting with critical illness,"

 

A bunch of armed dimwits who demand the right to get sick and spread death invaded the Oregon Legislature.



:ROFLMAO:
When Sen. Heard comes to the ICU, wait till he discovers the delights that lie in store for him. Urinary catheters, endotracheal intubation, central lines, chest tubes...

But most of all, these people are in dire need of enemas.
They are (coughhack)... never mind.
 
The European Medicines Agency (EMA) approved the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Monday.

The EMA has granted a one-year "conditional marketing authorisation" for the vaccine.

The agency pointed out that the United Kingdom and the United States had only granted a provisional green light.

When I read what is written below, I tell myself that I will wait at least 12 months before accepting the vaccine. Wait for full results.

Conditional marketing authorisation
The approval of a medicine that addresses unmet medical needs of patients on the basis of less comprehensive data than normally required. The available data must indicate that the medicine’s benefits outweigh its risks and the applicant should be in a position to provide the comprehensive clinical data in the future.

🦠 🦠 🦠 🦠 🦠 🦠 🦠 😷
 
When I read what is written below, I tell myself that I will wait at least 12 months before accepting the vaccine. Wait for full results.

Ah yes, it may cause harm to health.

Wine Label Warning:

GOVERNMENT WARNING: (1) ACCORDING TO THE SURGEON GENERAL, WOMEN SHOULD NOT DRINK ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES DURING PREGNANCY BECAUSE OF THE RISK OF BIRTH DEFECTS. (2) CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY TO DRIVE A CAR OR OPERATE MACHINERY, AND MAY CAUSE HEALTH PROBLEMS.

Cheese Label Warning:
WASHINGTON—The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine filed a lawsuit on Sept. 22, 2020, against the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for failing to respond to a petition that asks the agency to require cheese manufacturers to add the following warning label on all dairy cheese products: “Dairy cheese contains reproductive hormones that may increase breast cancer mortality risk.”

The petition, which was filed on Oct. 3, 2019, cites several studies linking consumption of cheese and other dairy products to increased risk of breast cancer.

Food Label Warning:
The Food Allergen Labeling and Consumer Protection Act (FALCPA) of 2004 initiated new food labeling requirements for eight food groups that, according to the FDA, are the source of 90% of food allergies in the U.S. Food allergies affect 2% of adults and 5% of children.

The eight foods, all proteins, are milk, eggs, fish (e.g., bass, flounder, cod), Crustacean shellfish (e.g., crab, lobster, shrimp), tree nuts (e.g., almonds, walnuts, pecans), peanuts, wheat and soybeans.

Do not forget to apply your caution equally, or there may be all kinds of risks. In Bread, wine, cheese, fish, milk, eggs, nuts, etc.

However vegetables are surely safe.

On November 6, 2020, Tanimura & Antle, Inc. recalled single head romaine lettuce under the Tanimura & Antle brand, labeled with a packed on date of 10/15/2020 or 10/16/2020, due to possible contamination with E. Coli O157:H7.

But what about spices?

Setting and Participants:
A total of 1496 samples of more than 50 spices from 41 countries were collected during investigations of lead poisoning cases among New York City children and adults and local store surveys.

Results:
More than 50% of the spice samples had detectable lead, and more than 30% had lead concentrations greater than 2 ppm. Average lead content in the spices was significantly higher for spices purchased abroad than in the United States. The highest concentrations of lead were found in spices purchased in the countries Georgia, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal, and Morocco.


It seems that eating and drinking are out of the question altogether. If you see the things they say about coffee!!!

How about other things?
For instance clothing may also be very deadly:

Clothing Warning label:
"This product can expose you to Di(2-ethylhexyl) phthalate, lead and cadmium, which are known to the state of California to cause cancer, birth defects, and other reproductive harm. For more information visit www.p65Warnings.ca.gov".

So you shall have to give up those too.
But considering that you won't be eating or drinking anything, you will look very svelte. But remember not to use any Roads.


And of course, you may not go to Disneyland.
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