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At this stage of the game, safest places are going to be the best vaccinated. No brainer.
We kind of knew, and were told, from the get go. Social distancing, hygiene, testing, tracing and vaccines. That's still how it works, and we're far from over the pandemic yet. Far from! On top of that it becomes more and more obvious that we don't have reliable data, meaning that we have no idea, where we are. India reports a CFR of 1% whereas the global average is closer to 3%, to name one of the obvious ones. No PCR > no case > no cause of death. Fixed it! Throw the corpses in the Ganges, and move along.

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It seems that people have become more immune to the horrors we are currently experiencing than to the virus. The best vaccinated places will see less death, because of the vaccines causing milder cases if infected, but the vaccines are not efficient against the pandemic until at least 70% of the global population have had them. In the US 22% won't and 15% have doubts, meaning that they probably won't reach 70% :rolleyes:

I guess it's roughly the same people that believe that the Sun orbits Earth. 25% in US, and 33% where I live 🤦‍♂️
 
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In the US 22% won't and 15% have doubts, meaning that they probably won't reach 70%
The Anti-vaxxers may solve their own problem. As more virulent strains to evolve then it will be (and seems to be the case) that that the vaccinated can still get infected (and hence spread the disease), but won't die. But that means that the virus can get to the anti-vaxxers - who still have the chance of dying (as they don't have the vaccine reducing their symptoms). As they die out from increasingly dangerous strains then the percentage vaccinated rises (assuming the vaccinated keep getting updated shots).
 
The Anti-vaxxers may solve their own problem. As more virulent strains to evolve then it will be (and seems to be the case) that that the vaccinated can still get infected (and hence spread the disease), but won't die. But that means that the virus can get to the anti-vaxxers - who still have the chance of dying (as they don't have the vaccine reducing their symptoms). As they die out from increasingly dangerous strains then the percentage vaccinated rises (assuming the vaccinated keep getting updated shots).
Yeah, it could seem like evolution at its finest, but it's not.

Just because some people are stupid doesn't mean I want them dead. I know plenty of stupid nice persons. Also more active cases > more replication of virions > higher statistical risk of a really nasty mutation. Finally a large part of the global population wants the vaccine, but can't get it. They depend on the rest of us acting responsibly.
 
We kind of knew, and were told, from the get go. Social distancing, hygiene, testing, tracing and vaccines. That's still how it works, and we're far from over the pandemic yet. Far from! On top of that it becomes more and more obvious that we don't have reliable data, meaning that we have no idea, where we are. India reports a CFR of 1% whereas the global average is closer to 3%, to name one of the obvious ones. No PCR > no case > no cause of death. Fixed it! Throw the corpses in the Ganges, and move along.

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It seems that people have become more immune to the horrors we are currently experiencing than to the virus. The best vaccinated places will see less death, because of the vaccines causing milder cases if infected, but the vaccines are not efficient against the pandemic until at least 70% of the global population have had them. In the US 22% won't and 15% have doubts, meaning that they probably won't reach 70% :rolleyes:

I guess it's roughly the same people that believe that the Sun orbits Earth. 25% in US, and 33% where I live 🤦‍♂️
My two weeks from my second shot are up on Friday. Still wearing a mask, and not going out much.
 
Saw a breakdown of deaths through age groups posted in a local paper earlier..DOH figures since March 2020..

2,100+ deaths
1,300+ 80yo+
700+ 60-79yo
107 40-59yo
5 20-39yo
2 0-19yo

Just thought it was worth posting as it seems quite telling.
New variants may change
this but too soon to know.

Should also add we have only 12 cases of the indian variant so far over 2 weeks, including an initial spike of 7 about 2 weeks ago. This may also change as "hundreds" of Rangers fans took the ferry over to celebrate them winning the league and they did not behave themselves.
Similar happened previously which caused spikes in some areas when we were in lockdown so i guess we can only hope they have antibodies from having been silly before. Glasgow is one of the areas where cases are rising...so a bit concerning.
 
According to this:

2.2. The Warburg effect likely sustains the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in airway cells​

Many viruses alter the host cell metabolism in a similar way to the Warburg effect, enhancing glycolysis and therefore producing rapid energy and “bricks” for nucleotide replication and specific protein synthesis

Our coronavirus friend cannot replicate in our airway cells without switching the chemistry in the same way as cancer cells do. This is an old idea known as the Warburg effect.
Cell energy supply becomes dependent on breaking down glucose, outside of mitochondria, which disables most energy production and is highly inefficient. To achieve survival, it becomes necessary to make more membrane transporters to being in the sugar fast enough.

(Regular cells can run their mitochondria from fat or protein breakdown too, so a strategy to block that has been tried in cancer treatment. )

Disrupting fuel supply by interfering with glucose causes these cells to self destruct. They were going to die from viral replication anyway, but this way the virus is stopped before it divides into thousands of offspring.

Since affected cells are the ones with multiple transporters desperate for glucose, this explains why 2 Deoxy D Glucose concentrates in the infected lung.

In late stage Covid, all the virus is dead, as you know.
So the medicine is no longer useful at that stage. It is primarily effective in the middle of the cycle when the virus is established, and replicating maximally, around days 7 to 14.
Would it work in early stage disease? Sure, but as uptake would be reduced, more normal cells will pick it up, leading to off target effects. Benefit small, risk increased.

If used at the right time of disease cycle, 2DeoxyGlucose probably defends future lung damage by just reducing the dead virus load before the cytokine storm gets out of control. Another possible mechanism:

the Warburg effect is promoted in endothelial cells of lung vessels by hypoxia and this activation sustains vasoconstriction and platelet micro thrombosis. PI3K signaling and HIF-1α are activated in a feedback loop. If this cascade is not arrested, in particular by AMPK activation, it can result in extensive lung damage.

You can arrest the Warburg effect by brute forcing the absence of real glucose.
Or, block downstream targets of those pathways: mTOR activation. Curcumin would do it.

That would be tea and curry. In India, I would be a popular Doctor-ji.

Anybody looking into Curcumin? There are piles of theoretical articles.
 
...physicians at a hospital in Jamaica have started serving turmeric tea to patients who are fighting COVID-19, according to a report this past weekend in Jamaica's Sunday Observer. In mid-March, Kingston Public Hospital in Jamaica initiated a partnership with a tea manufacturer and distributor to receive 10 cases of turmeric tea each week.

No idea if this is actually working. Curcumin is contained in turmeric.


Edit: full disclosure: curcumin is part of my anti cancer/longevity stack. I am biased.
 
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Promising treatments for the future. Should be good for all kinds of viruses.

Interesting and to follow.

Also waiting for side effects and also enough hindsight after the first trials on the humans.

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A truly depressing story of Trumpian thinking:

The disease is spreading because of too much testing! It is leading to restrictions on the economy!

Yeah, buddy. Stay out of power forever.
 
A truly depressing story of Trumpian thinking:

The disease is spreading because of too much testing! It is leading to restrictions on the economy!

Yeah, buddy. Stay out of power forever.
That is almost exactly what Lord Chump said. 'We are testing millions, so we are going to get more positive results.' That chump has a lot ot answer for, so many leaders, simply following his example and believe that it is legitimate, because no one, has held him to account.
 
A truly depressing story of Trumpian thinking:

The disease is spreading because of too much testing! It is leading to restrictions on the economy!

Yeah, buddy. Stay out of power forever.
The best lies are slight perversions of the truth.

:D S
 
Going to have to eat a lot of dried beans and oatmeal. :confused:

State of Emergency is going to hold indefinitely.
In fact, according to Attorney General Faris Al Rawi, who referenced Epidemiologist, Dr Avery Hinds, our rolling case average needs to stand at 15 cases per day for at least two weeks in order to see any changes.

current rolling average is more than 400 cases.
 
Today France is starting to open certain not essential shops.

This morning at 8 a.m. in Paris in front of a cinema.

At 8 o'clock in the morning ! 🤪

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Errr.... Cinema?

I would have thought a French subject, would recognise their own Francois Mitterrand Library.

I would like to hope that I may have 'misinterpreted' your post, or even that there was 'another translation issue'. But I know that the word Cinema was first used by a couple of French movie makers, called the Lumière brothers in the 1890s. Plus: What does it say, in great big letters, on the front of that building?
 
Errr.... Cinema?

I would have thought a French subject, would recognise their own Francois Mitterrand Library.

I would like to hope that I may have 'misinterpreted' your post, or even that there was 'another translation issue'. But I know that the word Cinema was first used by a couple of French movie makers, called the Lumière brothers in the 1890s. Plus: What does it say, in great big letters, on the front of that building?
The company is called "MK2" and the cinema is also associated with a diverse set of services (bookstore, exhibition and conference rooms, shops, cafes and restaurants).

To go to the cinema, it's easy, take the right entrance on the photo (from the previous post) by following the queue. :D

Edit : It seem that the word "Bibliothèque" indicates the district which is the district of the National Bibliothèque of France. The group is called MK2.

Companies often associate their names with the neighbourhood where they are located. I guess it’s the same everywhere in the world.

There is by example an MK2 "Quai de Loire" which is located on the "Quais de Loire"



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The company is called "MK2" and the cinema is also associated with a diverse set of services (bookstore, exhibition and conference rooms, shops, cafes and restaurants).

To go to the cinema, it's easy, take the right entrance on the photo by following the queue. :D

Edit : It seem that the word "Bibliothèque" indicates the district which is the district of the National Bibliothèque of France. The group is called MK2.

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Really? You need to check that.

Bibliothèque: Put it into google translate and you get, LIBRARY.

Put the photo into a google search and you get, Fancois Mitterrand Library.

And, just to make sure, I am not talking out of my bottom. Here are a number of images of said library and the first one is?

https://www.shutterstock.com/search/françois+mitterrand+library
 
Really? You need to check that.

Bibliothèque: Put it into google translate and you get, LIBRARY.

Put the photo into a google search and you get, Fancois Mitterrand Library.

And, just to make sure, I am not talking out of my bottom. Here are a number of images of said library and the first one is?

https://www.shutterstock.com/search/françois+mitterrand+library
MK2 Bibliothèque one of the biggest cinema in Paris.

The National Bibliothèque of France, so called since 1994, is the national Bibliothèque of the French Republic, inaugurated under this new name on March 30, 1995 by the President of the Republic, François Mitterrand.

I added an edit in my previous post, read it

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There is also MK2 Quai de Loire

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