The shareholders are partially responsible ?

Urbanski101

Urbanski101
Nasc said:
Players: we want stuff
Players: WE want new stuff
Players: WE WANT NEW FEATURES
Players: NOW!!
Patch
Players: Is this the share holders fault?
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The last patch didn't deliver any new features...it delivered ARX which benefits nobody but FD

I'm always baffled by those that blame the players for ED being a mess and FD releasing broken / incomplete / poorly realised features. In case it's not entirely clear, the relationship between the developer and the end user is - Developer makes the game - end users buy and play the game. If the game is broken or of poor quality the only people to blame are those responsible for making the game.

Everything else is just elaborate finger pointing to try and deflect from the real responsibility.
 

Nasc

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Urbanski101 said:
The last patch didn't deliver any new features
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Who said anything about this patch?
With speculation having filled this place over the price, capacity and all that extraordinarily fun and certainly not repetitious stuff, there has always been a gem here.
That being complaints about bugs and fdev.
Then fdev pops up to say they'll be focusing on bug fixing. And the reaction?
It's like having cake and eating it too. Except this forum will pee on that cake and complain that there aren't enough yummy crispy crunchy kidney stones to give texture.
 

Barking_Mad

Barking_Mad
Making games is hard. Making a large networked game on budget that then has to be iterated upon whilst still remaining playable is harder still, especially when you have no previous releases to compare it to. Doing this for 5 years or more with fun, entertaining, bug free content whilst managing staff leaving and new staff joining adds further complexity.

Anyhow, it's just a game. Given the state of the planet it's probably worth getting upset about far more important things. The game should be a pleasant distraction from all that and if not, it's probably better to find something else to do.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
babelfisch said:
Sorry, but pressure for what and in which direction?
If I take a look at share distribution there are 4 major shareholders outside of Frontier. Tencent and three asset managers. Admittedly I have absolutely no idea how all this financial stuff works, but to me it seems like companies like Oppenheimer Funds represent millions of investors and they absolutely don't care about the direction the game is heading as long as the company makes profits. I don't think they have a shareholder meeting where they decide if bugs should get fixed or not or if fleet carriers should be delayed. It's more likely they don't even know that Frontier even exists.
So I am not sure how they would have any meaningful impact on the games development.
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In fact you take the question in another sense. :)

I mean I wonder if having shareholders waiting for results, force Frontier to work faster and generate a lot of errors in the game, by too ambitious deadlines originally.
 

Urbanski101

Urbanski101
babelfisch said:
I see. I believe my point still stands though. Most shareholders probably don't even know that Frontier exists. ;)
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This is true when it comes to funds, those that invest in the fund won't necessarily know where their money is invested unless they really read up on the reports they get from the investment company. Funds tend to invest in hundreds of individual companies to spread the risk (and all funds have their own criteria for investing). The fund manager and his analyst team however will most certainly know about Frontier. However they are looking at financial performance, sales, costs, EBITDA etc... not whether ED has bugs or if a free content release is delayed or if an open letter was sent to ED by some salty wannabe space jockeys.

Individual shareholders will definitely know about Frontier as they have directly invested (bought shares) in the company, but the same is true of them...they won't care about FCs, bugs or small seismic charges.

At the end of the day it comes down to dividend payments on shares. Frontier will release predicted results every 6 months, what earnings and profits they think they will make in the following 6 months. Pressure on FD will only start to happen when those predicted profits and dividends fail to materialise and the company under performs.

From what I've read their profits and dividend payments have been on track if not slightly above their predictions so I think their investors are happy.

And no, I don't think having shareholders is the reason ED is in a bit of a mess. As long as ARX does what it was meant to do and increases cosmetic sales (which it probably will) then FD are totally on track as far as the investors are concerned.

The kind of investors you want to be wary of are venture capitalists...these guys (if they are heavily invested enough) are the ones that will change the direction of a company, put huge pressure on a company to increase pricing, cut costs, restructure...all in an effort increase their margins in the short-mid term, even if it eventually breaks the company further down the road.
 
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Maeyat

Maeyat
M00ka said:
See blaming poor Boris doesn't quite cut it, it only works if you are local to the problem. Our brethren in the good ol' US of A might want to blame Trump or even Clinton, whereas here down under in God's country (colloquially called Australia) we have an entire bleeding government we can blame for nearly everything. In fact we made sure we have enough to blame by making three levels of incompentcy (local, state and federal). :D
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Rupert Murdoch?
 
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