Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[Mouse]

I once had hope for the game to be changed to make it better for me - this buyer's remorse is very recent and has been gradual. Now, I'm beginning to see that every attempt to change the game into something more interesting to me is shot down by those who would claim that "they are happy with how it is."

Just changed it a little. It's frustrating not to get exactly what you want, but the game does still have things to offer. Play it or don't, but don't assume that what you want is right for the game, better for the game, because it is not necessarily so.

Some players want player interaction, some don't. Some players want PvP, some don't. Nobody is right, nobody is wrong, FD (David Braben) maintains that there is no 'right' way to play the game, and they have given every player the opportunity to choose how they play it. Your opinion that the game needs improving is taken from a belief that your needs / wants are more relevant than somebody else's. You will likely always be frustrated.

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I don't think Horizons will improve this game. It will offer a few, very finite number of things to do - and it will likely be in the same bland variety that we've seen before. Unless, of course, FD surprises us - but, given the past year, I wouldn't expect that.

I would have much rather seen improvements to the core space sim done before expansions were discussed. A lot of these things that I've talked about earlier in this thread, (e.g. the economy, the effects of system status, and general variety to the game) actually represent things that I would have liked to have seen improved.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[Mohrgan]

I don't think Horizons will improve this game. It will offer a few, very finite number of things to do - and it will likely be in the same bland variety that we've seen before. Unless, of course, FD surprises us - but, given the past year, I wouldn't expect that.

I would have much rather seen improvements to the core space sim done before expansions were discussed. A lot of these things that I've talked about earlier in this thread, (e.g. the economy, the effects of system status, and general variety to the game) actually represent things that I would have liked to have seen improved.

I am not convinced that the two are mutually exclusive. I am willing to bet, with real life money, that both aspects will move ahead together. That's what I have seen so far, I expect it to continue.

 

[LetoAtreides2]

Thank you for proving my point.

How, exactly?

 

[palazo]

I talk about "game plane" on my reflection today.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=175627

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

Jorden, are you ignoring me? You only seem to want to tussle with Mouse. Mouse, if he can;t see my posts, could you ask him my favorite question?

I did answer you. And please stop with the jordan spelled den. It's minor and stupid but it's a pet peeve of mine.

Jorden, you have returned. I asked you to answer a question during your last exchange. Why should one set of gamer ethics be forced on another? Do you think you could take the time to give an answer? You are in a talking mood anyway.

Sorry it's hard to keep track of all the responses. It's because it's either one or the other. Either the switching mode forces itself on open, or nonswitching forces itself on the other modes. There's no two ways about it. It's either one or the other. The switching meta prevails, or it's prevented from controlling everything.

 

[Mohrgan]

I did answer you. And please stop with the jordan spelled den. It's minor but it's a pet peeve of mine.

I'm sorry about the spelling. I will watch it more closely. Mt apologies Jordan.

Could you link or forward me to the answer. I must have missed it.

 

[palazo]

hey brothers a question about the game to cool the thread.

I am elite combat, whats range comes next?

 

[Mouse]

How, exactly?

I once had hope for the game to be improved - this buyer's remorse is very recent and has been gradual. Now, I'm beginning to see that every attempt to improve the game into something more interesting is shot down by those who would claim that "it's perfect in every way."

want to talk about a load.. maybe you should look at who is supporting Horizons and who is railing against it...

I don't think Horizons will improve this game. It will offer a few, very finite number of things to do - and it will likely be in the same bland variety that we've seen before. Unless, of course, FD surprises us - but, given the past year, I wouldn't expect that.

I would have much rather seen improvements to the core space sim done before expansions were discussed. A lot of these things that I've talked about earlier in this thread, (e.g. the economy, the effects of system status, and general variety to the game) actually represent things that I would have liked to have seen improved.

hmmm who's against the game being improved? the ones who you claim say that the game is "Perfect in every way", which is false by the way as we do suggest improvements and tweaks and report bugs, are more supportive of Horizen.. which is an improvement to the game... while you and others who want the game your way are against it... hence my comment about maybe you should look at who is railing against Horizons... it isn't us... it is you.

 

[Julissa Silver]

If pirates and murderers (and the station griefers from months back) can use "it's an intended and viable method of playing Elite" to defend being antisocial then why can't they also accept that people switching modes to avoid pirates and murderers is also "an intended and viable method of playing Elite"?

They get to kill or rob anyone they catch, we get to play in modes that don't have those people in. Who could -possibly- be unhappy at everybody getting what they want?

 

[LetoAtreides2]

hmmm who's against the game being improved? the ones who you claim say that the game is "Perfect in every way", which is false by the way as we do suggest improvements and tweaks and report bugs, are more supportive of Horizen.. which is an improvement to the game... while you and others who want the game your way are against it... hence my comment about maybe you should look at who is railing against Horizons... it isn't us... it is you.

But, I think the game can be improved in far better ways than moving onto a cashgrab expansion. I don't think Horizons is an improvement - there are other things that would much better be improved (in my opinion). You don't have to agree with my views about what constitutes "improvement" at all - but please do not claim that they are contradictory.

 

[Mohrgan]

It's the jockey's job to keep the horse on the track. The track is FD's plan for the game.

Sorry it's hard to keep track of all the responses. It's because it's either one or the other. Either the switching mode forces itself on open, or nonswitching forces itself on the other modes. There's no two ways about it. It's either one or the other. The switching meta prevails, or it's prevented from controlling everything.

I'm sorry. I missed your response. I have looked back and found it. Thank you.

I see the option for each player to decide as the least detrimental of all the choices. It is easier to defend, and it attracts more players. I kind of see where the open players feel it is encroaching on their style of play, but how can that be more important than each player having their own choice? I guess I am arguing that choice overrides the inconvenience to open. You are offered the option to switch. Only your decisions stop you. I can't see how that personal choice should dominate the design of a game.

 

[Mouse]

But, I think the game can be improved in far better ways than moving onto a cashgrab expansion. I don't think Horizons is an improvement - there are other things that would much better be improved (in my opinion). You don't have to agree with my views about what constitutes "improvement" at all - but please do not claim that they are contradictory.

what I am refuting is that you claim that we claim that "it's perfect in every way." If we were then we would be raising cane over Horizons,

 

[Mohrgan]

hey brothers a question about the game to cool the thread.

I am elite combat, whats range comes next?

https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.ne..._=1447663982_ac5e6d68fd16e365f425e56f85bf158d

Becoming Elite in the other two schools. Getting the best pick of missions on the Bulletin Board. Other than that nothing much, maybe he won the game?

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

I'm sorry about the spelling. I will watch it more closely. Mt apologies Jordan.

Could you link or forward me to the answer. I must have missed it.

It's ok. it's just a stupid minor annoyance that bleeds into real life.

It was post #2272

Sorry it's hard to keep track of all the responses. It's because it's either one or the other. Either the switching mode forces itself on open, or nonswitching forces itself on the other modes. There's no two ways about it. It's either one or the other. The switching meta prevails, or it's prevented from controlling everything.

 

[palazo]

hmmm who's against the game being improved? the ones who you claim say that the game is "Perfect in every way", which is false by the way as we do suggest improvements and tweaks and report bugs, are more supportive of Horizen.. which is an improvement to the game... while you and others who want the game your way are against it... hence my comment about maybe you should look at who is railing against Horizons... it isn't us... it is you.

Everything can become monotonous if there is no purpose behind, if you land and take off from a planet 100 times you get bored.

Everything depends on the purpose and benefits you as a player.

I was among the first to get happy with New Horizons, but I'm the first in which the gameplay needs to be improved before.

Frontier read our post?

 

[Mohrgan]

It's ok. it's just a stupid minor annoyance that bleeds into real life.

It was post #2272

We're good then. Thanks, I found it. See my response above #2305

 

[Jordan Cobalt]

If pirates and murderers (and the station griefers from months back) can use "it's an intended and viable method of playing Elite" to defend being antisocial then why can't they also accept that people switching modes to avoid pirates and murderers is also "an intended and viable method of playing Elite"?

They get to kill or rob anyone they catch, we get to play in modes that don't have those people in. Who could -possibly- be unhappy at everybody getting what they want?

I'm unhappy because than we get into the situation we are in now. It becomes easier and preferential to switch modes rather than do anything else and stay in open.

 

[palazo]

Becoming Elite in the other two schools. Getting the best pick of missions on the Bulletin Board. Other than that nothing much, maybe he won the game?

Please do not wanna be "elite" in trade, nooo, I will die of boredom if I keep doing business in Solo Mode.

im go to dieeee nooooo...... _________________________________

 

[Mouse]

Everything can become monotonous if there is no purpose behind, if you land and take off from a planet 100 times you get bored.

Everything depends on the purpose and benefits you as a player.

I was among the first to get happy with New Horizons, but I'm the first in which the gameplay needs to be improved before.

Frontier read our post?

More than just landing on a planet

"Elite Dangerous: Horizons launches this Holiday. The first expansion, Planetary Landings introduces players to planet surfaces and the first all-new Surface Recon Vehicle (SRV) the ‘Scarab’. Scanning airless planets and moons brings new gameplay as players detect signals, crashed ships, mineral deposits, outposts and fortresses. Alone or with friends players will explore, mine and engage hostile forces as they attempt to infiltrate strongholds guarding valuable rewards. Players will explore new worlds, coasting over mountaintops, diving into canyons, landing on the surface and rolling out onto the surface in your SRV, all without loading times or breaks in gameplay."

 

[LetoAtreides2]

what I am refuting is that you claim that we claim that "it's perfect in every way." If we were then we would be raising cane over Horizons,

What I'm talking about is far more fundamental - core design decisions of the core game. These are things that, in my (and many others') opinion, should change - but others would defend it blindly.