Open is just one of the multiplayer modes. Private Groups are the other. Solo mode requires players in as much as that experience attracts a number of players to the game. Still, the question persists, besides the fact that open is open, why is open worth subsidizing?
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Open is just one of the multiplayer modes. Private Groups are the other. Solo mode requires players in as much as that experience attracts a number of players to the game. Still, the question persists, besides the fact that open is open, why is open worth subsidizing?
One thing that does come to mind also is the problem that everytime some idiot ruins the game like this forcing FDEV to look at the code to work a way to stop these idiots its pushing some new feature or some fix we want back further, maybe we can all agree that a single feature would suffice maybe the fugitive idea would suffice for now at least until FDEV have time to sort out a long term solution. Either that or allow players to put bounties on their heads the more players put a bounty on the more it accumulates but then that could be open to abuse too. At least the fugitive idea means everyone gets a shot if you will excuse the pun
If they put a bounty on someone's head..
1. they have to have been killed or severly shot at by the person (not just one or two shots.. )
2. The money comes out of their pocket. If you put a bounty on someone then you pay for it.
Hmm... that's very rare... I actually like #3 idea. It's punishing for PKers, and actually might be very difficult to exploit. Rack up all the rebuy costs, keep on playing. But make sure you don't meet your maker, or else.... Itchy got a huge bounty and eventually somebody took him down. The trouble was, when he was taken down, all he lost was one puny rebuy cost of his own ship. If this #3 solution was in place... he would probably go bankrupt. iI he then wanted to rebuild, he could .... from a Sidewinder. And the best part is that you can't sell your rebuy costs.... but still the punishment is tunable by FDev.
And I would add, list that rebuy cost number on the Galnet Bounty, so white hat PvPers could see it and come after them. But other than the regular less than 1 million bounty money, you don't get anything else, perhaps maybe a decal or some vanity item/trophy for killing one of the most notorious criminals. Maybe even a Top 10 bounty of the month, and below it is a "Rectified by Cmdr xxx" line. Hey, persist that and make a web page for all to see.
Asking the question again isn't going to change the answer, Believe it or don't. My answer isn't going to change, no matter how many times you ask.
Players are the lifeblood of open, not so for the other modes.
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Players have the same way way to counter PowerPlay in every mode; that is, undermining, fortifying, et al.
The main problem is players asking why they can't do what they want (pewpew) when it is not part of the game.
You can't play Monopoly by World of Tanks rules. I do not know why this simple point is unacceptable.
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You are still missing or overlooking something - many of the solo players in this thread don't want to play open, with other people, no matter what the incentive. Your statement, above, makes it seem like all solo players play that way because they are afraid of maniacs.
I am not coming from "omg grievers, I must flee to solo!" I play solo because of many reasons, but being afraid of twits in ships isn't one of them.
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A thoughtly post. I just excerpted the above quote for a reason: because many of the, uh, let's just say aggressive, posters to this thread claim that such incidents are as rare as a blue diamond.
Good post, +rep
FUN is the lifeblood of open, and equally so for the other modes! If a player isn't having fun in Open because LULZuN00b Guild are griefing them mercilessly - and they find trundling from port to port in Solo more FUN then they will keep playing the game.
If Mr Pew-Pew cannot stand the idea of not having pew-pew, he will only find FUN in playing in Open, finding other people to pew-pew. If B0ngsquad like to partake of the onionhead and chill out, then they might only find Group FUN because they can just chat and not be interrupted as they slaughter NPC's. A Lone Wolf player might only find the game FUN if they are able to choose any mode they please at any time. It goes on and on. The only exception is Mister No-Connection - he's stuffed no matter what.
I'd hazard a guess that those players would then turn around and make use of the COMMUNITY reward benefits...
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But that is exactly the point brought up by many of the "open should be rewarded" players! It's all about profit and cr/hr and other financial metrics that, from my own point of view, would be an incredibly-boring way to play a game.
Yes; yes it is. The fact that it suffers from a population problem is another issue entirely. It's still an existing mode.
Please tell me, functionally what's the difference between solo mode or open mode if you're the only one in it. Or are you just saying that only the name matters?
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What, do you not know?
You uh....you might want to go check out guides and tutorials or something.
Right, I surly get why open needs players. You have answered that question. But that isn't the question I've been asking. Turn it around, why do players need open? What justification is there to penalize the other modes, or subsidize open?
Especially when Open can be made to be just like Solo for anyone who has elementary networking knowledge
incorrect, players are the lifeblood of the game. They are required to for FD to keep updating the game, and pay for the servers to run. They are not needed for solo players. For group, it only matters that your group is playing. For open, players are the lifeblood. No players and open just becomes solo mode with a different name.
To put it a different way, for solo it doesn't matter what mode everyone is playing in, as long as they're playing. If you're the only player in solo and everyone else is in open, does it matter to you? No, you wouldn't ever see them anyway.
For group, it doesn't matter what mode everyone is playing, with the exception being the group you're in. Let's say you have a group of 20 players, if everyone in your group is playing in it, but noone else is currently playing in group mode, does it matter to you? No, you won't see them anyway.
For open, If everyone else is playing in a different mode, your experience becomes worse for it. You're effectively playing in solo.
Those are two completely different questions, players don't need open, open needs the players.
The justification for subsidizing open, is that it is imbalanced for some professions ocer others. That some players choose to forgo open for more money, or to escape potential loss.
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That being the case, I would suggest you and other players who fly the open or bust flag had better get busy attracting other players to open.
Let's face it, IF open is as empty as some claim, it's no fault of Frontiers, but the players who have been playing open. Frontier gave us three modes, and the let the players sort it out. It was never Frontier's responsibility or even within their ability to make sure that 'enough' players picked open.
From where I sit, it's pretty obvious that the players in open suffer from one extreme of sadomasochism or another. Open as it exists satisfies the need to grief or be griefed, if you're into that. Looks like most players have already figured that out and game accordingly.
IIRC this was mentioned in the DDA / Dev Diarys, players being able to post bounty's (its a distant memory but I think only in the rebuy screen, to avoid it being abused was mentioned), alongside many other things we are still waiting for, I am sure we will get them soon(TM), well one day hopefully, reasonably soon maybe?
.It would be nice to have, but personally I think what we really need is for the systems security levels to mean something, if you are out there in an anarchy it should be more dangerous than a "safe" system. The Pirates should have safe havens in Anarchy systems (and some sort of pirate anti-rep that keeps them safe there, along with AI that drops better/relevant cargo).
In the "safe" systems wings of security ships should "encourage them to move on" (get off my lawn
). You know like Elite sort of way.I still have faith, I have enjoyed the last ~ 14 months, I am sure the game will get even better with more time.
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Tinkin, at end of day..
..aal mi really wantin be space ship. Stars. Mi gud people aal aboard an doin dere tings. Galaxy to play in. Human interaction? Wi gat it. De enemy? NPC - no hard feelins. No negativity. Lotta drama. Truth.
Aal mi wantin. Explore. Trade. Fight. Aal on same ship. Wid gud people. Against de NPC scum of de galaxy. Togeda.
Happiness
..aal mi really wantin be space ship. Stars. Mi gud people aal aboard an doin dere tings. Galaxy to play in. Human interaction? Wi gat it. De enemy? NPC - no hard feelins. No negativity. Lotta drama. Truth.
Aal mi wantin. Explore. Trade. Fight. Aal on same ship. Wid gud people. Against de NPC scum of de galaxy. Togeda.
Happiness
this game was not created in a vacuum.
there are other games out and about that use the MMO format.
fantasy, space sci-fi, on planet sci-fi or whatever.
before this game was made the creators knew that there was no way to stop people from griefing other players.
so they made one game with the ability for some players to play it away from griefers.
it was made this way from the start and the loud and repetitive grief expressed by the griefers because they have chased all of their targets to the other modes is proof that this system works.
so my request/advice is to give the griefers all the pity they deserve, hope they go away [not likely but i hope for it anyway so i can play in open], and keep the modes all equal in rewards and equal in access to other aspects of the game such as power play and whatever may be added in the future.
there are other games out and about that use the MMO format.
fantasy, space sci-fi, on planet sci-fi or whatever.
before this game was made the creators knew that there was no way to stop people from griefing other players.
so they made one game with the ability for some players to play it away from griefers.
it was made this way from the start and the loud and repetitive grief expressed by the griefers because they have chased all of their targets to the other modes is proof that this system works.
so my request/advice is to give the griefers all the pity they deserve, hope they go away [not likely but i hope for it anyway so i can play in open], and keep the modes all equal in rewards and equal in access to other aspects of the game such as power play and whatever may be added in the future.
Just going to clarify my point on mining in wings and why if you are mining properly, a wing is a bad idea.
First off, you do not mine at an asteroid belt, too few rocks and low quality metals in most of them.
Unless your really bored, never mine in a RES. That is for the clueless and those who are just messing about as bait for escorts - not for real mining.
(Also, I've had NPC miners ram my drones and kill them - on purpose, more than once)
So, you are left with Metallic Rings, away from the RES. So that has now made the job of escort completely pointless, the only NPC you will see now is system security (So 2 of your 4 removed Jordan).
As for teaming up, yes each person has their own allocation of chunks to chip out of each asteroid (I posted that ages ago) - however, in recent experiments, drones do not respect ownership of those chucks and just collect any near by.
To highlight, I was mining away and quite happy when my friend in his T6 with 2 collection drones turned up - and before I knew what was going on, his drones were stealing my chunks of ore and he was not mining, just sitting there next to me wondering why his hopper was filling up.
Once I moved on, he started mining and his drones then collected his ore.
So he ended up stealing half of my allocation of ore (not on purpose - we didn't about this at the time).
We ended up having to keep a minimum distance from each other, so our drones would not interfere with each others mining - we lost track of each other in the end.
So there was no point to being in a wing at all, as escorts have nothing to do while you mine (and if you are using a rind near a station, travel is not an issue) and co-miners have to stay away so they don't steal from you.
In fact, I've just had the idea to take my T7 to a RES and steal chunks of ore from NPC miners (as they have no actual ownership, it's not theft
) Also, collection drones are like daft dogs - I had too many limpets one time while mining, so I threw 5 away.....
The drones fetched them back.
More than once
So, to sum it up - Mining is a Solo profession. As a Wing just messes up the flow of mining or you have wing mates with nothing to do.
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Players are the lifeblood of the game, agreed. That means all players; open, solo or group. That much is obvious.
If open is such a "barren wasteland" as you (and others) seem to be saying, isn't that the judgement of the playerbase? That they prefer the other modes to open for a variety of reasons? I'm sure FD has figures on that.
With those figures, they still keep the 3-mode core of ED. They repeatedly reiterate that they have no plans to change that core structure. It's not an open problem; it's a player problem.
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