That's the crux of it - Elite isn't competetive. It's a play-as-you-like-when-you-like game. If there was ever any competition in Elite - it was the Reach Triple Elite goal for cash which ended ages ago. The game's already been won. Game over man, game over.
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That's the crux of it - Elite isn't competetive. It's a play-as-you-like-when-you-like game. If there was ever any competition in Elite - it was the Reach Triple Elite goal for cash which ended ages ago. The game's already been won. Game over man, game over.
Nah...people like it or hate it.
Polarization is good for a game. Keeps out the riff raff!
Accept the game for what it is and play until your arms fall off....or you get bored. Either the game continues without you....or many more come to agree with your stance and the game dies.
This is the choice of the devs and is exactly how the game, and its rules, works. They are not changing it....just repeated less than two weeks ago.
BTW...there is plenty of competition. Just because you can't shoot someone, it doesn't mean they aren't out competing you!
And as many failed business owners will testify, your belief doesn't constitute proof a viable market.
Look Mouse hit the nail on the head. FD is the ultimate arbiter of what shall and shall not be a part of the game. I agree with FD's position on this that all Modes are viable, and should contribute. Fundamentally, having multiple modes doesn't really impact the outcome because of FD's power. They create the CGs, they write the rules, and if they disagree with the outcome they have the power to change it. Their position from day one as I understand it has not been to step back and simply let players run the galaxy.
I'm not convinced that the BSG holds that much interest for the competitive types. Not enough to attract a large crowd anyway, more likely just a segment of those in open now. You really don't see much call for that here in this thread. What you see are calls for incentives, locks, and penalties. The talk about PP is more of a smoke screen for gaining a larger audience to open. Just what benefit do you suspect would draw players in?
His intention is to make an argument for change. In this debate what FD has decided, is exactly what we're discussing. Let's discuss the merits of the points made, not just keep reminding people what the status quo is.
The game is extremely competitive now. Well, at least on the collect your PvE trophies to make levers fall and buttons push. It's just not worth killing others in PvP over.
I guess your gonna love the CQC right? Your very own separate PvP place to fight over, right? With no interference from 'those other modes', right?
Yeah...wanting your cake and eating it, too. Not going to happen!
How. Just because you split the BSG, won't make it work differently. You'll still have to wait for all of the beans to be counted.
To use English a bit more rigorously for a moment.
Eve is proof there is a market.
Eve's market doesn't mean there are any more dollars to get beyond Eve, or that amount of money is capable of funding FD's opoerations, or that FD can get the money Eve is currently receiving. In short the market you can currently see may be saturated and subject to constraints which render it unviable for entry.
If you really think money's there start your own game and try to reap the rewards.
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Why bother? We all agree the modes suck. However, they are not changing, no matter the desire of the masses. This is the experiment the game is based on. We all have to live with it.
I have to go and move some 'tea' around so that we can cure that germ....so that we can move something else around...so we make more credits!
I'm sorry but no, this answer is not an answer mainly because EVE is NOT Elite.. and you are attempting to make Elite like EVE.
actually this thread exists because people buy the game without researching it or they decide they want a different game and make threads so they got shunted into one thread. Changing the game slightly to fix something, good. Completely changing the game mechanics to appease a small minority of people, not going to happen.
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you find that few players would enjoy,
I did not agree to that, I was thinking of something else.....
I just don't see the demand. Not here in this thread anyway. My impression is that the BSG is used as a smokescreen for the effort to gain a larger population in open.
I, also, suggest that there isn't enough players in open, now, to support its own BSG, let alone a segment of open players who would opt in to your idea.
to paraphrase Friedrich Nietzsche
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that belief does not prove anything.
i believe that ironman mode is currently available in the game as it stands with no additional code.
it's voluntary.
"PROVE YOUR HONOR play the iron man way"
create a new character after each death.
it's voluntary.
it even lets cheaters "play the way they want to play".
it's so simple even i could think of it.
i believe that the three modes are here to stay, and rightfully so.
oohhhh perhaps the "OPEN-PVE" may be added, but that's for another thread.
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No one is saying they are the "gatekeeper" for FD.. nor does anyone believe we are no matter how much you want to insinuate. IF you want to play Eve go play it, but please quit trying to drastically alter Elite Dangerous to pander to a few who want a certain way of play.
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No, we don't.
Again, sadly, you have a a small contingent of players who feel they are more important than everyone else and they want to drastically disrupt the game to fit their play style. I know it has be suggested to add it as a 5th mode (after ironman) yet they can't justify the expenditure and allocation of resources.
Quite right. And this is why the thread grew so big: there are plenty of players who disagree with you and think the status quo should not change. If this thread only had been echoing your opinion, you wouldn't have 3 megathreads. That requires differing opinions.
And while you imply that FD doesn't listen to it's players and change the status quo, the delicious irony is that you completely overlook the people you're arguing with. Who are also players. Who have just as much reason to be heard and taken notice of as you.
Don't act as if keeping the status quo means FD doesn't listen. It means FD has heard your arguments, and have found them wanting.
And Elite has proven there is a paying market for their model. So, your point is ...?
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.... and after an Open-PvE mode for those who like meeting up with random people but want to avoid PKers, surely?
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