Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

Do you want a Open PvE

  • Yes, I want a Open PvE

    Votes: 54 51.4%
  • No, I don't want a Open PvE

    Votes: 49 46.7%
  • I want only Open PvE and PvP only in groups

    Votes: 2 1.9%

  • Total voters
    105
  • Poll closed .
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And inrelation to who cries about what in open mode, well, from my many, many years of gaming experience and forum experience of said games, the vast majority of crying has always come from the PVP community, be it 'balance this', 'nerf that', 'buff this', 'not enough action' etc etc etc. The pixels usually seem far more precious to the PVP community than anyone else, and I have PVP'd in a lot of games.

If I wouldn't know better, I'd say you read the Klingon subforums over at STO one too many times xD
 
I brought my earned in Solo Conda into open once for the trading CG in Kaushpoos. Code made some good money there with the stuff I had loaded in my Conda.
 
Oops. I think I broke something.

only bad connection available at the moment, wanting to play while rl wants some attention here and there (for example: Kids always like to have some attention from time to time) so logging out at any time needs to be possible without becoming combat logger and of course the good old High Res Screenshots reasons.
Playing in a Hotel in the evenings when on a job.
Playing on long train journey tethered through a phone.
Playing when on a satelite link (as in Canada)
Playing on a Hall of Residence network where there is no uPNP
Playing whilst on holiday with your significant other's [perfectly lovely] relatives
.... a flaky internet connection that turns the game into a slideshow when other players are in the instance for one - no chance to defend oneself when the game isn't even responding to keypresses in a timely manner - so better off not playing among humans.
Pc capabilities, internet connection, mood, allowing kids to play, PEGI rating, wanting some peace, countless other reasons that have been mentioned time and time again even since you started posting
They pick solo because they wanted a single player Elite remake, and Solo is the only way of doing it. You know, like it was said quite a few times on the forums. Or some might want to hop between modes because even if they themselves like to play in open, they friends might not, and they join up with them in private groups, then go back to open once they leave.
Well...
Mind you, the last occasion is me avoiding player contact because I hate kill stealing, especially when I'm the one doing it.

It seems I was being a little... pedantic?

Aren't the majority of these things ultimately avoiding (at a particular time) contact with other players? I hadn't really thought of the flaky connection reason. While it's still avoiding other players (or their bandwidth requirements), the reason is clearly for performance there.

Technically correct as in:
Open Mode players avoid playing alone
Open Mode player avoid having to obey to rules made by the Private Group admin.
Open Mode players in a wing avoid getting attacked by a wing of NPCs alone.

Everything can be interpreted as avoiding something…

Well... yes.

Why does anyone need a reason to mode switch?

Don't you have a reason for choosing a particular mode for each session you play? Surely you don't just pick at random?

Funny thing though, I would not be opposed to what Majin envisioned for modes, if there were also multiple commander slots. Could have one for Open and one for PvE, each with separate progressions. Which was kind of an idea waaay back, and what I would have liked a lot.

I think that would be the way if would have to work.
 
If I wouldn't know better, I'd say you read the Klingon subforums over at STO one too many times xD

It was the Feds who cried over PvP there, because their precious "Fed Ball" tactic was easily countered by Cannon Scatter volley.
Though I did feel sorry for the PvP teams who ended up with one or more "Capitan Kirk Syndrome" players though - running off on their own weakening the team (I used to hate that when I was a Fed Tank)
 
It seems I was being a little... pedantic?

Aren't the majority of these things ultimately avoiding (at a particular time) contact with other players? I hadn't really thought of the flaky connection reason. While it's still avoiding other players (or their bandwidth requirements), the reason is clearly for performance there.
Being pedantic it can be seen as avoiding players, but its not done to avoid players its done for others reason. The Person might still like to play with others but can't do to other reasons. Its no evil mastermind dong evil grinding this and that to ruin this and that, its just someone who would like to play but can't do it in open right now. And he would like to go back to open once the reason he can't play there right now are gone.
 
It seems I was being a little... pedantic?

Aren't the majority of these things ultimately avoiding (at a particular time) contact with other players? I hadn't really thought of the flaky connection reason. While it's still avoiding other players (or their bandwidth requirements), the reason is clearly for performance there.
For what it's worth, what you quoted from me was indeed meant to signify a case of avoiding players. And I only do this if I go into a RES, see another CMDR and don't feel like a round of "who shoots last". But the majority of times I go into a RES in Open, it's just NPCs.

The screenies are for me the main reason of switching to solo.
 
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Aren't the majority of these things ultimately avoiding (at a particular time) contact with other players? I hadn't really thought of the flaky connection reason. While it's still avoiding other players (or their bandwidth requirements), the reason is clearly for performance there.

I don't think they are to be honest, if you are looking after your kids for example you don't think, 'I'm going to avoid Khelder today', you are thinking about your kids, that is your reason, if you have had a hard day at work you don't think, 'I'm goiing to avoid Majinwash today', you think, 'I've had a crap day, want to play Elite in peace'.

When you spend a day relaxing on the sofa watching football you are not doing it to avoid 'everyone outside', you are doing it because it is what you want to do, it suits your circumstances on that day.
 
Don't you have a reason for choosing a particular mode for each session you play?

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't, sometimes I close my eyes and pick at random to see where I end up.

Surely you don't just pick at random?

See above.

Does not change what I wrote - why do I need a reason to use a feature for something I paid for?

I don't have to explain a reason to use the heater or air conditioner in my car to anyone.
I don't have to explain a reason to change channels on my Sky box to anyone.
I don't have to tell Google a reason I visit any website in Chrome.
I don't have to give a reason to PvP in STO or login to World of Warships.

So, why do I have to give a reason to make use of mode switching here?
Why do you want me to justify using Solo / Group / Open - and I do use all 3.

Why do I have to justify that to you, when I was told by FD I can swap all I like, when I like ???
 

I will tell you why,

They want to use their Battle Conda they traded to in safety,

Exploit a mode change to generate more
Want to feel a little danger from potential PVP


And the problem is?
You already mentioned that you have enough traders to pirate. The player who got his BattleConda in Solo Mode doesn't know who to PvP with that thing and you get one more target to shoot at if you want.

For everybody else it's more fun in Open that way I would guess.

That is unless that player then starts to attack weaker players for the lulz - but that's not a problem of mode switching, it's a problem with the justice system of this game.
 
They want to use their Battle Conda they traded to in safety

I have one of them and about a billion in assets, a dozen permits and I'm an Admiral King. All of that gained in open, never been killed by another player, never killed another player, what is this imaginary hand-wavy "danger" or "safety" thing you keep commenting on? Obviously you have far, far more than the 1300+ hours I have in Open, is that it maybe?
 
.... and if you select a devastatingly slow USB drive as the destination device for the screen-shots then bad things happen.

Facetable?

IF ONLY I HAD PLUGGED IT IN TO THE USB3 SLOT...
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I don't think they are to be honest, if you are looking after your kids for example you don't think, 'I'm going to avoid Khelder today', you are thinking about your kids, that is your reason, if you have had a hard day at work you don't think, 'I'm goiing to avoid Majinwash today', you think, 'I've had a crap day, want to play Elite in peace'.

Yeah. You see, this is where I was getting a little too .... I can't think of the appropriate word.

The reason you would choose Solo instead of Open may be because you are looking after your kids and you don't want to get stuck in a player interaction if you suddenly have to rush away.
The reason you would choose Solo instead of Open may be because you have had a hard day at work and you just want to enjoy Elite without interference from other players.

Does that make sense? Doesn't matter.

When you spend a day relaxing on the sofa watching football you are not doing it to avoid 'everyone outside', you are doing it because it is what you want to do, it suits your circumstances on that day.

You have kids and you get to spend a day watching football?! :eek:
 

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It was the Feds who cried over PvP there, because their precious "Fed Ball" tactic was easily countered by Cannon Scatter volley.
Though I did feel sorry for the PvP teams who ended up with one or more "Capitan Kirk Syndrome" players though - running off on their own weakening the team (I used to hate that when I was a Fed Tank)

And the KDF crying for a nerf bat every time a new console was introduced, because Cryptic only had PvE in mind and they were OP as . But we probably shouldn't derail the thread with old wounds from a game that Elite should strive NOT to mimick :)
 
Yeah. You see, this is where I was getting a little too .... I can't think of the appropriate word.

The reason you would choose Solo instead of Open may be because you are looking after your kids and you don't want to get stuck in a player interaction if you suddenly have to rush away.
The reason you would choose Solo instead of Open may be because you have had a hard day at work and you just want to enjoy Elite without interference from other players.

Does that make sense? Doesn't matter.

It does.

There has been a long list of reasons given why different people use different modes.
Some people just don't want to play with random strangers - and the game is advertised as being able to choose who you play with.
Some in accordance to where they happen to be in the world that day (business trip, on a laptop, some hotels have real bad internet connections).
Some people play in modes in accordance with their mood (or where their anxiety disorder let them play that day).

And don't overlook that last one.
Their are people with anxiety disorders play the game. For the most part in Solo or very small Groups as far as I am aware.
But sometimes, on a good day they may want to play with more people - which is great, and therapeutic when they get a good session going.
All it takes though is 1 person to start ramming / provoking and SENDING CAPS LOCK MESSAGES OVER THE CHAT EXPLAINING HOW THEY WILL DO THINGS TO YOUR [insert family member / pet (or whatever)] to not only ruin that game session but also force them back in to Solo.

Locking them in to one mode may remove the negative there, but it also removes the positive as well.
(and so you know, all my time in open has been positive).

Lock the modes and you're locking people out of open.

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And the KDF crying for a nerf bat every time a new console was introduced, because Cryptic only had PvE in mind and they were OP as . But we probably shouldn't derail the thread with old wounds from a game that Elite should strive NOT to mimick :)

Well, as most of the OP consoles were used by the Feds, like that stupid black cloud, gravity well, sensor scramble, engine killing etc.. console. Lost track on how many times I was killed by that :(
(Yes KDF had them to, but they were the Fed part time KDF players, not the real KDF players ;) )

Though one lesson I learned in STO that applies here;

NPCs cannot complain when something is over powered. (SCBs spring to mind)

So for balance, I'd like to keep a healthy PvP group here :)
 
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