Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Mk III

[Leto Thule]

Maybe you should back off as you know nothing about Jockey. I suggest you browse the SOG threads.. you may learn something important about him.

Myself, I spent 12 and a half years serving my country and it is actually why I cannot PVP. And I believe that if we need to fight we should, but would love it if we didn't have too. And for leaders who send you, me, and every other man or woman in uniform to fight, I feel should be there as well. It is so much easier to support war when you are not the one fighting it. Jockey's disgust I feel is that the people who voted to drop bombs and put their military members in danger... were laughing about it, people will die, terrorists, military members, and civilians... and they were laughing.


I would love it if No one had to carry a weapon for anything other than shooting targets or hunting for food, I am just damn glad you are not sleeping in Arlington, Riverside, Rosecrans, or any other National, or local cemetery. I Thank you for your service, I do not thank you for your attitude.

Touche. I agree I wish they would be there as well. What I don't like is a comparison of video game violence with the horrific reality of combat. I also don't understand why anyone accustomed to the reality would second guess the need to rid the world of terrorists. I'm not sure how my previous post showed any attached whatsoever other than disgust, which I stand by. I didn't see the clip you are referencing, so I didn't see any laughs or smiles... But I take notice that they know more than we do about these things, and calling someone a warmonger and insinuating that it's being done for profit puts me a bit off. Getting rid of these people who intentionally target civilians is paramount, no matter what anyone's history is... Yours, mine, or jockeys. I don't need to know him for that to be true.

Now...

Also, thanks for your service. What did you do? USAF SF myself. Miss it

 

[Mouse]

Touche. I agree I wish they would be there as well. What I don't like is a comparison of video game violence with the horrific reality of combat. I also don't understand why anyone accustomed to the reality would second guess the need to rid the world of terrorists. I'm not sure how my previous post showed any attached whatsoever other than disgust, which I stand by. I didn't see the clip you are referencing, so I didn't see any laughs or smiles... But I take notice that they know more than we do about these things, and calling someone a warmonger and insinuating that it's being done for profit puts me a bit off. Getting rid of these people who intentionally target civilians is paramount, no matter what anyone's history is... Yours, mine, or jockeys. I don't need to know him for that to be true.

Now...

Also, thanks for your service. What did you do? USAF SF myself. Miss it

While I agree with you that terrorists need to be dealt with, I would remind you that those that think fighting is not the answer have just a valid right to their belief as you do that fighting is necessary. Maybe you remember Malala Yousafzai, do you think she is qualified to speak on such matters? And she believes education over violence still. There will always be those of us who answer the call and put our lives on the line, that does not mean those who do not are wrong for not doing so.

And I was the one who made the video game reference.. I would love for those in conflict for real to play ED, or some other game where they can compete.. who ever wins in the game wins in the real world as well.. and no bloodshed, no casualties..


USAF as well SSgt retired against my will, though now I realize they were right. I'm unstable and broken. Started out Maintenance Analyst then switched to Air Transportation and Honor Guard. And let's just say I don't recommend the Green Zone.

 

[Leto Thule]

While I agree with you that terrorists need to be dealt with, I would remind you that those that think fighting is not the answer have just a valid right to their belief as you do that fighting is necessary. Maybe you remember Malala Yousafzai, do you think she is qualified to speak on such matters? And she believes education over violence still. There will always be those of us who answer the call and put our lives on the line, that does not mean those who do not are wrong for not doing so.

And I was the one who made the video game reference.. I would love for those in conflict for real to play ED, or some other game where they can compete.. who ever wins in the game wins in the real world as well.. and no bloodshed, no casualties..


USAF as well SSgt retired against my will, though now I realize they were right. I'm unstable and broken. Started out Maintenance Analyst then switched to Air Transportation and Honor Guard. And let's just say I don't recommend the Green Zone.

This isnt going to go anywhere well mate. Politics dont belong here. You are right, it would be great if cool heads prevailed all the time. To clarify:

does not mean those who do not are wrong for not doing so.

I dont think anyone is wrong for not putting themselves through the military. It isnt for everyone. Some people are built for it and others are not, for whatever reason it may be, and thats fine.

When I read Jockey's post (regardless of whom he may or may not be, I havent looked), it seemed to me as if he was advocating INACTION where it is most certainly needed, and moreover, labeling leadership as if they would callously throw away lives without the consideration of the consequences... which I HOPE isnt the real case.. (or they need some new leadership..) Warmongering would mean there was no provocation, that they were out looking for a fight, and in all honesty I truly think thats one of the ones we need to be resolute on.

Here I go talking about politics myself now. Sigh. Love the internet.

Never made it to the green zone, thankfully. Deployed to Manas, UAE, Qatar, and Bahrain, as well as too many one-week TDY's with forward deployed aircraft to count. I remember when I signed up... and they told me I would be a "Police Officer"....

 

[Roybe]

You must have missed Michael confirming that FD are working on Private Groups for XBox One:

YAY! Glad for that much. Wasn't real happy about the poor XBones not having their own Mobius. Still is a workaround...and still feel they do not put in an Open PVE because either they can't, or more likely won't, but this was a huge disparity between the consoles and the PC's.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Let's just lighten things up a bit

I've never been in the military myself, but I have driven tanks for engine telemetry hardware testing - which was a heap of fun! Until you had to interpret the data, or rewire a RS422 hub in six feet of mud, or wander round 12 square miles of unexploded ordnance looking for a missing CF card.

I've also had the privilege of zipping about 1000 rounds out of a ZSU 23-4 in the Czech Republic which was both hugely fun, loud, oily, cold, and somewhat depressing at the same time. Purely for testing zinc sensors and their coolant systems. A bit off topic I know, sorry Mods.

 

[fademist]

Touche. I agree I wish they would be there as well. What I don't like is a comparison of video game violence with the horrific reality of combat. I also don't understand why anyone accustomed to the reality would second guess the need to rid the world of terrorists. I'm not sure how my previous post showed any attached whatsoever other than disgust, which I stand by. I didn't see the clip you are referencing, so I didn't see any laughs or smiles... But I take notice that they know more than we do about these things, and calling someone a warmonger and insinuating that it's being done for profit puts me a bit off. Getting rid of these people who intentionally target civilians is paramount, no matter what anyone's history is... Yours, mine, or jockeys. I don't need to know him for that to be true.

Now...

Also, thanks for your service. What did you do? USAF SF myself. Miss it

One question though who is responsible for that organizations rise?

 

[Garbarrage]

One question though who is responsible for that organizations rise?

Lol... now you've done it...

 

[Robert Maynard]

One question though who is responsible for that organizations rise?

As has been hinted at earlier in the thread, this is heading way off topic - if it must be discussed then please create a thread in Off-Topic.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

One question though who is responsible for that organizations rise?

I found them for you:

Spoiler

Their names are Ignorance and Want!

ens had the answer all along!

Which is why so many of the posters requesting that Open be buffed/mode switching be locked. It's usually because of the ignorance of the poster to other peoples situations and needs...

 

[Theodrid]

Says the man toting Mobius banners.

Where does your figure of Open having a "greatly" smaller player base than Mobius come from?

I assume you have a source to back this up, otherwise its a purely baseless comment. I would hate to think a spoke person for Mobius would make them.

Majinvash
The Voice of Open

A group comprising 2% of the entire player base, (not many games have groups that can claim that), is, according to you, insignificant.

you, an infinitesimally small dot from a group infinitesimally smaller than the one you berate claiming to be the 'voice of open', hilarious.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

A group comprising 2% of the entire player base, (not many games have groups that can claim that), is, according to you, insignificant.

you, an infinitesimally small dot from a group infinitesimally smaller than the one you berate claiming to be the 'voice of open', hilarious.

It is worth having him around for the entertainment value.

 

[Theodrid]

It is worth having him around for the entertainment value.

I must concede it did brighten up my Monday morning......

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Mobius has a registered number which equates to 2% of the registered number of ED players. Not that big a number at all.

You assume a lot.

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Honestly try it

The address is www.google.com ( Other search engines are available ) and use key words like PVE, Elite Dangerous.

Majinvash
The Voce of Open

Can you use that address to google relative vs absolute numbers?

If so, try it. Suggested key words: Relative numbers, absolute numbers and percentages.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

Can you use that address to google relative vs absolute numbers?

If so, try it. Suggested key words: Relative numbers, absolute numbers and percentages.

Can someone actually write down the sort of numbers we are looking at please? (not that it matters - I just want another reason for Majinvash to make me laugh.)

 

[Robert Maynard]

Can someone actually write down the sort of numbers we are looking at please? (not that it matters - I just want another reason for Majinvash to make me laugh.)

In the absence of Frontier provided statistics then they must be complex numbers - with a real component and an imaginary component.

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

Can you use that address to google relative vs absolute numbers?

If so, try it. Suggested key words: Relative numbers, absolute numbers and percentages.

The numbers are almost irrelevant. It doesn't really matter how many players play in which mode. It only matters that enough players play in the different modes to justify the implementation and support of those modes. Since the difference between the modes is just the matchmaking and therefore extremely cheap (time, energy, cost) to implement and support it really doesn't matter.

How many players play in a certain mode doesn't make the mode more important or better.

And btw: If most players play in Open Mode, then there is no need to change the way modes are handled in this game as any change won't make a big enough difference. If only a small percentage plays open mode only, then there is really no need to change the way the modes are as it will only affect a small percentage of the player base.

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In the absence of Frontier provided statistics then they must be complex numbers - with a real component and an imaginary component.

That's because they are the root of the problem

 

[DarkWalker]

Rule of Acquisition 34. (For the Star Trek fans )

Which shows how Star Trek predates the Internet becoming popular. No geeky show nowadays would use the number 34 for a rule.

(If you want to know why, try this link. You can search for the info yourself, but, if you decide to google for it, be warned that it's very NSFW.)

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The numbers are almost irrelevant. It doesn't really matter how many players play in which mode. It only matters that enough players play in the different modes to justify the implementation and support of those modes. Since the difference between the modes is just the matchmaking and therefore extremely cheap (time, energy, cost) to implement and support it really doesn't matter.

How many players play in a certain mode doesn't make the mode more important or better.

While pure numbers often don't matter, In this specific case they do point to something interesting.

Usually the number of players of a game that also read the game forums is about 10%, with even less posting. And, as Majinvash pointed, about 2% of the player base are Mobius members.

How do people become aware of the Mobius group? By going into the forums. So, if ED follows the same pattern as other games — which it seems to do —, out of the players that could learn about Mobius to join it, 20% already joined. Which is huge by all accounts.

Then you have the typical skew in forum participation. Some kinds of players are far more likely to join the forums. PvPers, in particular, are far more active in the forums than their numbers would indicate in many games out there, and PvPers are exactly the kind of player that would have the least interest in a PvE-only group.

Put that together, and an Open PvE mode, if it was added to the menu — where players can find it without needing to search the forums — would likely attract at least 20% of the game's player base, and potentially far more.

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

Which shows how Star Trek predates the Internet becoming popular. No geeky show nowadays would use the number 34 for a rule.

(If you want to know why, try this link. You can search for the info yourself, but, if you decide to google for it, be warned that it's very NSFW.)

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While pure numbers often don't matter, In this specific case they do point to something interesting.

Usually the number of players of a game that also read the game forums is about 10%, with even less posting. And, as Majinvash pointed, about 2% of the player base are Mobius members.

How do people become aware of the Mobius group? By going into the forums. So, if ED follows the same pattern as other games — which it seems to do —, out of the players that could learn about Mobius to join it, 20% already joined. Which is huge by all accounts.

Then you have the typical skew in forum participation. Some kinds of players are far more likely to join the forums. PvPers, in particular, are far more active in the forums than their numbers would indicate in many games out there, and PvPers are exactly the kind of player that would have the least interest in a PvE-only group.

Put that together, and an Open PvE mode, if it was added to the menu — where players can find it without needing to search the forums — would likely attract at least 20% of the game's player base, and potentially far more.

<For some weird reason, mumbles something about where the highest % of all your nerves endings are located.>

Why is it that the humble minority is the most shouty?

 

[Roybe]

<For some weird reason, mumbles something about where the highest % of all your nerves endings are located.>

Why is it that the humble minority is the most shouty?

Because they share an interesting commensal relationship with the devs. They are the players that dig into a game the deepest...and have a greater understanding of the game and its meta's than the devs themselves. PVE players just like to 'play the game'. PVP players play the game to a much deeper level. This gives them a huge amount of input to the devs...and has led to an overblown sense of entitlement...which might be valid to some extent. However, where PVP players fail, is that they are the huge minority in any game...drowned out by the money of the masses. When people cry over the 'dumbing down' of games, what they are really saying is 'Devs why are you building your game towards the median player, rather than the 'elite' player (i.e. those that play at the top 3% of the normal distribution)?' The answer is, because you guys cannot support our company at the 3%...we need the rest of the game playing public to increase our profits. Then the accusations of 'selling out', 'watering down', 'catering to carebears', etc. start occurring. All I can say is 'Tough!' I love my hardcore games. I love my PVP. However, I also enjoy just as much, having games readily accessible by more people so that I can play with more people and have more fun doing so!

 

[CMDR Sheehy]

Because they share an interesting commensal relationship with the devs. They are the players that dig into a game the deepest...and have a greater understanding of the game and its meta's than the devs themselves. PVE players just like to 'play the game'. PVP players play the game to a much deeper level. This gives them a huge amount of input to the devs...and has led to an overblown sense of entitlement...which might be valid to some extent. However, where PVP players fail, is that they are the huge minority in any game...drowned out by the money of the masses. When people cry over the 'dumbing down' of games, what they are really saying is 'Devs why are you building your game towards the median player, rather than the 'elite' player (i.e. those that play at the top 3% of the normal distribution)?' The answer is, because you guys cannot support our company at the 3%...we need the rest of the game playing public to increase our profits. Then the accusations of 'selling out', 'watering down', 'catering to carebears', etc. start occurring. All I can say is 'Tough!' I love my hardcore games. I love my PVP. However, I also enjoy just as much, having games readily accessible by more people so that I can play with more people and have more fun doing so!

<blinks> It was a rhetorical question.