I absolutely disagree. I left EVE because of the behavior problem there. I wouldn't go back. I bought this game because it promised a way to get around the kind of EVE is well-known for.
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I absolutely disagree. I left EVE because of the behavior problem there. I wouldn't go back. I bought this game because it promised a way to get around the kind of EVE is well-known for.
My favour? I play in Mobious mate. I don't really do PVP but I would rather a system that allowed for everyone to play together . Unfortunately or fortunately, however you see it , FD decided to allow people to split off . Making this an option has created this insatiable animal that feeds threads like this .
The honest truth is, when we all look at it, that Abraham Lincoln was right,“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.” Ok it was John Lydgate who actually wrote it.
As we can clearly see on this and the vast amount of other threads on this forum that there is no common ground . The devil was set free when FD gave everyone the freedom to play how they wanted . What I am trying to say in the politest way I can think of, is that these threads are redundant and that the damage/inovation was done with the implementation of splitting people up.
Ideally I would like everyone to play together but as with the Greece problem, the course has been set already and there is no turning back .
Addendum: I don't enjoy PVP much and I don't advocate constant annoying interruptions to my game play by other players but in these advanced gaming days you would think there was a better way to have it all.
I take all the points on board and respect all those opinions but it just reinforces to me how unobtainable utopia is. Oh well life is just one endless unattainable project eh?
Good luck all ... ;-)
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People complain about all sorts of things, doesn't mean we have to do something about them. Your solution wouldn't stop this thread either, it would just swap the sides. Although I wouldn't be in it I'd give up on the game completely.
You are trying to create a game where we are all together, I don't want that, therefore it's still in your favour.
You are trying to create a game where we are all together, I don't want that, therefore it's still in your favour.
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erm... just an aside, that King did that because he wanted to show his fawning, "you-can-do-no-wrong" ministers that no matter what his wishes or how powerful he is, he cannot stop forces out of human control.
History aside over. Carry on
FD are not to blame for this "Devil" being set free.
This argument has been going on long before ED. I've seen it in any game that has PvE and PvP servers.
The PvP crowd have always wanted to force themselves on others, in every game I've ever played.
[video=youtube;eFTLKWw542g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g[/video]
Well said Jockey and dang it now I will be listening to this for the rest of the night
As I said I respect everyone's views TBF, we all have different ones . Having an ideology about on line games is not me tying to instill anything in "my favour" its about a wider ethos about on line games. I am guessing you were one of the players who wanted a solo offline mode ? I understand your anger at that not being possible in FD's eyes . Personally I don't like offline games they are too limiting for me but I get others who do like playing alone. My comments are about this game, that is on line, and how it should be possible to incorporate everyone in that system.
In your case I understand that is not possible as you don't want to have anything to do with anyone else what so ever in game and yes I respect that too.
FD did set the argument free in this game by having the choice. I'm glad they made that choice myself . I was trying to raise the bar to find a solution but there obviously isn't one . Maybe another 20 years of on line gaming will inspire someone to think of the answer.
I agree with your question, but let me expand on it a touch.
So why should FD make all these changes to a game I bought a year ago (many bought before, many more after) and I am pretty happy with that a "minority" is baying for? because they didn't do enough research?
Not researching a game before buying it is a problem with the buyer, not the game.
Wow, we have had a little storm in today's teacup
, and for the record, I play all modes, more open than private recently, in the last 2 weeks ~ 50/50 open / solo, and I will play how I want, when I want, there is not a hope in hell that anyone will make me "play it their way" if I am not interested.
Or 20 more pages of (some) people just spouting the same old thing. How's it working for you?
This is, indeed, a main question in this debate. When I first heard Elite was coming back, I scoured the net for info. I never buy a game now that I do not research. Doing so would be kinda lame.
The bump that kept me from pledging the alpha or beta was the rermoval of offline, single-player mode. I read all about it. I read enough about the reasoning behind "must be connected online" and the technical explanation of that to mollify me somewhat. I'd still prefer an offline mode but understand why it's Solo instead. I even waited for a month after release to buy it because I wanted to see if "Solo Mode" was truly a mode I could be happy with.
Contrast this with the release of Homeworld:Remastered. I was/am a rabid fan of HW (definitely not the sequels) and was set to plonk down over $100USD for early access. But I read all about the game first.
In that reading I learned that this was not a remastering of HW but instead used only art assets from HW and pasted them on top of the HW2/Cataclysm engine. The one everyone hated. The one no one recommended, nor bought. The one that was bug-ridden.
I was lucky to find that info; a lot of people weren't. It was a disaster. We felt the design studio was pulling a fast one on us with a beloved property. Sales stunk. I will never buy a game from that company.
I am happy with the solution provided by FD and wouldn't have bought this game without a solo mode. I could care less about PP, so all the paranoids thinking I am doing something nefarious in solo to undermine them, hey! I'm not even in your sector. I'm not Pledged to any Power.
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Maybe FD should try to make another Kickstarter campaign for the second set of hardware and necessary staff for this "Open only" galaxy simulation. At least we will be able to see how many peoples will backup this mode
Appendix 1. - For species with surgically removed sense of humor, the above mentioned idea is an irony.
Appendix 1. - For species with surgically removed sense of humor, the above mentioned idea is an irony.
It reminds me of someone putting fire crackers near a door then lighting them and running off waiting for the commotion.
Lol, I need to go check out Reidquat (that was my badlands back in 84), and maybe Freeport (LP98 - 132?), the Beta badlands. I guess if its pirate free they are only out for the rares & newbs.
I still have hope that FD will get the local security better, and the opposite in anarchy's so the pirates have a safe(ish) home, leave it there before it becomes a full page
.If Sol can't deal with a couple of pirates I had better run for the hills when the Thargoids arrive, forget picking a PP to support, you are better off picking a deity to worship.
Lol, I need to go check out Reidquat (that was my badlands back in 84), and maybe Freeport (LP98 - 132?), the Beta badlands. I guess if its pirate free they are only out for the rares & newbs.
I still have hope that FD will get the local security better, and the opposite in anarchy's so the pirates have a safe(ish) home, leave it there before it becomes a full page
If Sol can't deal with a couple of pirates I had better run for the hills when the Thargoids arrive, forget picking a PP to support, you are better off picking a deity to worship.
+1 rep +lulz
Some impute that i proposed for a PvP only world. Some even go so far to say i want a PvP only world where others are no danger to me.
This is, what i already mentioned, twisting words.
Yet, you don't understand that i am totally aware of the current mechanics we have and yet you don't understand what i am talking about.
This is a forum and a highly controversial topic. There is a reason why so many raise their voice. You simply refuse to even try seeing the things from my parties POV. Still you are insisting that we have to live with the current conditions, just because Fdev created them. You act like those rules are the ten commandments and thus are unchangeable. This is not true, there already have been accommodations and there will be more. You simply don't understand that an online multiplayer simply feels different if you act with the AI, or if you act with other real people.
You refuse the accept that because of the separations there are less people in Open then there would be without. I already stated often enough that there could be more accommodations that connect those separated players without taking elements away, without benefiting one over the other. The ruleset just needs to be adjusted and balance towards this would have to be made. But at the end of the day you (the Soloists) wouldn't be bothered by others because the only difference in you experience would be that instead of encountering ships that appear with a filled icon on your radar, the icon would be hollow.
Saying you do not want anyone in your game is just ignorant. There would be no difference if it is me or the average NPC that you just saw passing by, or that you interdict, or dodge or whatever.
You will never achieve, no matter how evolved the AI is the same experience you would with real persons. There is more than just zero's and one's being counted and compared and depending on the result a specific action will be triggered.
Just for the last time, i never wanted to force someone to something or take someone anything away. I wanted to encourage, to show or prove you that Elite is capable of more, of something you simply can not experience when you lock yourself. But since there are many just too stubborn and start twisting things i'll quit here. You can cheer now and open the champagne, you win.
This is, what i already mentioned, twisting words.
Yet, you don't understand that i am totally aware of the current mechanics we have and yet you don't understand what i am talking about.
This is a forum and a highly controversial topic. There is a reason why so many raise their voice. You simply refuse to even try seeing the things from my parties POV. Still you are insisting that we have to live with the current conditions, just because Fdev created them. You act like those rules are the ten commandments and thus are unchangeable. This is not true, there already have been accommodations and there will be more. You simply don't understand that an online multiplayer simply feels different if you act with the AI, or if you act with other real people.
You refuse the accept that because of the separations there are less people in Open then there would be without. I already stated often enough that there could be more accommodations that connect those separated players without taking elements away, without benefiting one over the other. The ruleset just needs to be adjusted and balance towards this would have to be made. But at the end of the day you (the Soloists) wouldn't be bothered by others because the only difference in you experience would be that instead of encountering ships that appear with a filled icon on your radar, the icon would be hollow.
Saying you do not want anyone in your game is just ignorant. There would be no difference if it is me or the average NPC that you just saw passing by, or that you interdict, or dodge or whatever.
You will never achieve, no matter how evolved the AI is the same experience you would with real persons. There is more than just zero's and one's being counted and compared and depending on the result a specific action will be triggered.
Just for the last time, i never wanted to force someone to something or take someone anything away. I wanted to encourage, to show or prove you that Elite is capable of more, of something you simply can not experience when you lock yourself. But since there are many just too stubborn and start twisting things i'll quit here. You can cheer now and open the champagne, you win.
You know, if you didn't use the phrase "you don't understand", and calling us ignorant, some might pay more attention to your opinion. We understand fine, we just don't agree, or don't care about your opinion.
Repeating yourself over and over isn't going to change our view of what you are saying.
Actually tried to help you and give you ideas.. no twisting words or anything.. if you want the ED "universe" that you envisioned.. make a group and put forth effort. No need for drama lama type posts.
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