The discussion is also valid here from the way I see it. It is entirely relevant and should voice everyone's concerns equally and not segregate the modes further.
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Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].
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The discussion is also valid here from the way I see it. It is entirely relevant and should voice everyone's concerns equally and not segregate the modes further.
really we gona argue about this? lol
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no not at all. IF ED had been kickstarted as a competative PvP game then I would have accepted it (I MAY have considered backing it too....... to a lesser level)
take warthunder. I have ploughed a lot of time into it, I even chucked some cash their way. PErsonally I would love way more time spent on the PVE side of things. I would be so so happy if they did a full on solo campaign following your progress through the war, with the planes unlocking in chronological order and us getting a finite amount of money which we choose to invest in plane mods..... but I would never demand that gaijin dedicated months of dev time into it becasue that is not the game they made - even if I wish it was!.
I would actually counter your comments, with at the moment 1.1, 1.2 and 1.3, have offered MORE content to the multiplayer focused gamer than to the solo player..... you say you think it is about time FD gave you a full blown PvPcentric update, I actually think it is more about time got an SOLO update (given no matter what mode you play, for most people there is more PvE action than PvP, therefore a full on PvP updates only caters to, what seems to be even by the PvP players view the minority of players. Any content aimed at the lone wolf PvEer however, benefits ALL platers
chances are we will get neither, and we will get something which offeres something to both camps, but with a probable bias towards MP gaming as a whole.
To say EDs updates have favoured the solo player over the PvPer however is nuts!. how do wings benefit the solo player? the solo player cant get AI wingmen to play with. all wings do is offer nothing to the solo player, and offer a hell of an imbalance to the "open" lone wolf.
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well it wouldnt be beyong the realms of possibilty to add a few story based chronicles as DLC.
where is gets labour intensive is when you have to create cutscenes and get voice actors in to do the scripts,
i dont see the need to go that far though. mission directives could be relayed via text
and the missions could be objective based through formation spawns in a private instance.
i dont cling onto the original decriptions and pledges made at the time of the kickstarter.
it doesnt allow any room to develope an idea.
i make music. i dont think ive ever made the tune i set out to make!!
new idea's and inspiration happen along the way.
i also dont think that anyone is capable of completely planning a huge venture
and factoring every single variable beforehand.
and for the record,
ive never been an either/or person.
given the life span of the game, it should be more than possible to develope content
which satisfies both PVE and PVP players.
PS i never said that the updates had favoured the PVE players over the PVP.
all i'm saying is, that PVP players have not been properly catered for.
and to add.....
the game was billed as an MMO. if it is left 'lacking', players will move onto other games
and they may not be so inclined to spend their money with FD in future.
bad rep lasts for years.
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I see your point and even agree to some degree - I am sure there will be lots of good stuff coming for PvPers at some point.
but you say you make music.... if you do it off your own backing that is great, it does not matter what you come up with...
BUT if you set a kickstarter up to make a hard rock album.... I could well back you to do it.
if you changed your mind however and ended up releasing a boy band love songs album.... I would be pretty cheesed off
I see your point and even agree to some degree - I am sure there will be lots of good stuff coming for PvPers at some point.
but you say you make music.... if you do it off your own backing that is great, it does not matter what you come up with...
BUT if you set a kickstarter up to make a hard rock album.... I could well back you to do it.
if you changed your mind however and ended up releasing a boy band love songs album.... I would be pretty cheesed off
frankly if i ever did that
i would set up another kickstarter in order to buy the gun i would ask you to shoot me with.
dark souls is a good example (not that i played it)
that was a true single player game. later on though, they released an update which enabled PVP.
that left PVE and PVP players happy.
you dont have to change the game.
its just a case of adding another component or two.
and a MMO is but with seperate modes...and that makes it different from the classic mmo we know so far ....and what pvp content would be? maybe if they do that would be bad they need to do it carefully...
they could add a system. fly to it, and you're taken to the PVP section of the game.
there you can choose to play a few different game modes (dogfighting, cap the flag, objective games etc)
and basic matchmaking based on current ship and PVP rank and wing size. job done.
added to the game, without changing the game.
like an arena it have mentioned here but pvp ppl dont wanted that so much ...
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We're being offered the choice to affiliate with an NPC Power, not a Guild. As I agreed earlier Power comms would be good - spanning all modes (subject to individual opt out, of course) as you suggest.
You could have been referring to a much wider consensus than within a single Power - it is clear now that you weren't. Understood - but it will be the case that affiliates can do what they want, regardless of what other affiliates want.
.... adding to the game is good. What is often asked for is removal of features, i.e. mode switching; every player sharing a single galactic background simulation; even Solo and Private Group modes themselves on occasion.
"Just" adding an arena style PvP mode would detract from the development of other aspects of the game and would still suffer from the limitations imposed by the networking model adopted by Frontier for the game at the outset (i.e. 32 player maximum instance population; soft limit much less than that dependent on QoS of P2P connections).
+1 rep for that, and for making a statement based on historical facts, testing, and being a veteran gamer, and as it seems that you know how MMO gamers break a game or make it great. Base a game on Pure PVP such as guild wars, or even KotR (Star Wars) where in the later game PVP was so unbalanced due to the perks you got and which were making you so insanely powerful that it was always a one sided game.
That killed KotR and I may say Guild Wars, and looking back onto EVE, the PVP community killed the game, it was a game based on Pure PVP, and time invested of cause.
It doesn't take a crystal ball to see a lot of disappointment in your future. Good luck with this wish list.
to be honest i didnt have 32-player games in mind!
8v8, 4v4v4v4, 16 player lone wolf.
i'd have thought the game could breeze through a 16 player instance.
also maybe something to choose the best host as well.
but can i ask which other aspects of game development a pvp arena would detract from?
i also see a dedicated PVP section as being something which would significantly reduce player murders.
which 'might' breath a bit of life back into other area's of the game
cheers
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Not possible, its exploitable.. You go online, pick the mission, log off and go SOLO, finish the mission, fly back to the star port while in SOLO, log off again, and log back in this time ONLINE. Cash in the mission with BONUS, but you did the mission in offline when it comes down to it.
So your idea is great if it were not for the Human player and Human mentality to cheat when he / she thinks not being caught. Its just Human Nature, and so is fight when you know you have a big chance to win, and run or walk away if you see you will be bullied. Again Human nature.
I believe this game is balanced just fine. FD have said repeatedly they are working on the combat logging issue, how bout a little patients.
But I think the game is balanced beautifully, for all types of players. Why don't you just go in your chosen mode, then simply ignore the other two modes? It really is this simple, your trying to make big issues for ulterior motives. I feel like you're trying your best to just make FD feel like the game is simply broken, even though more and more people are purchasing it every single day. This is a fact! Even with the horrible imbalances in the modes??? I suppose they're just not reading the details eh? Do you think there may be a few people buying it with the intention of getting to play a really cool space game, isolated from players like yourself You know that's exactly why I purchased it. Or do you just think that every single player that happens to think differently than you are just simply stupid, and have no idea what were talking about? I opt for "Stupid". I guess because I don't hyper analyze this game. moan and complain, and just keep going on & on about every little detail, that I'm simply stupid.
You know I really like this game, and I do know the difference in what I like and what I dislike. I don't need you to explain this to me, or continue to lecture me on how I need to understand this and that. I know what I like, I like this game. I know it's balance beautifully, and I know your types of players have a really hard time with this. I think they should give you the CG's, and a 150% pay increase across the board for open. Basically to shut you up, but ya know that's really not gonna do it is it? Because once you get what you want, and most players still don't want to go there, you'll be right back here groping for new straws.
Let me share one of my theorys.
I personally despise people that think they have to hyper analyze every single thing, including games, that every intention was made to strive for excellence in there produce. You notice I said excellent, not perfection, as this game is like all the others in the sense that. "IT WILL NEVER BE PERFECT FOR YOU OR ANY BODY ELSE"!
So you just go right ahead and proceed with your kind of Meta Game here. Then FD will figure out the same lesson CCP learned with your type of emergent game play or emergent game development. LOL
Brilliant +1 Rep... you nailed it, that is what PVP folks are in MMOs.... brilliant.
and why they need more pay outs when they choose to have the interactions with other players? that their reward anyway chooseing open....
I believe this game is balanced just fine. FD have said repeatedly they are working on the combat logging issue, how bout a little patients.
But I think the game is balanced beautifully, for all types of players. Why don't you just go in your chosen mode, then simply ignore the other two modes? It really is this simple, your trying to make big issues for ulterior motives. I feel like you're trying your best to just make FD feel like the game is simply broken, even though more and more people are purchasing it every single day. This is a fact! Even with the horrible imbalances in the modes??? I suppose they're just not reading the details eh? Do you think there may be a few people buying it with the intention of getting to play a really cool space game, isolated from players like yourself You know that's exactly why I purchased it. Or do you just think that every single player that happens to think differently than you are just simply stupid, and have no idea what were talking about? I opt for "Stupid". I guess because I don't hyper analyze this game. moan and complain, and just keep going on & on about every little detail, that I'm simply stupid.
You know I really like this game, and I do know the difference in what I like and what I dislike. I don't need you to explain this to me, or continue to lecture me on how I need to understand this and that. I know what I like, I like this game. I know it's balance beautifully, and I know your types of players have a really hard time with this. I think they should give you the CG's, and a 150% pay increase across the board for open. Basically to shut you up, but ya know that's really not gonna do it is it? Because once you get what you want, and most players still don't want to go there, you'll be right back here groping for new straws.
Let me share one of my theorys.
I personally despise people that think they have to hyper analyze every single thing, including games, that every intention was made to strive for excellence in there produce. You notice I said excellent, not perfection, as this game is like all the others in the sense that. "IT WILL NEVER BE PERFECT FOR YOU OR ANY BODY ELSE"!
So you just go right ahead and proceed with your kind of Meta Game here. Then FD will figure out the same lesson CCP learned with your type of emergent game play or emergent game development. LOL
Spot on +1 Rep
You call that a Cellphone, and a common sense not to go into strange neighborhoods. The Cell phone here in this game is the forum, and the common sense of not going into strange systems.... so if I be accident go into a PVP system where you have the Pew Pew peeps, I can save log off and like in other game switch character or if not watch a movie, until the bully is gone to have a beer with his friends.
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Not to mention that IRL, death is permanent. I wonder how many of the 'brave open-only PvP warriors' would be so bold if that were the case in this game.
I bet most would not even sign up for the Navy or Army and do a tour in Iraq or Afghanistan.... but behind a Computer screen "We are so Brave"
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