Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].

[Mercy Killing]

I too spend a lot of time in game not wanting to deal with other players. I actually picked my homebase from 1.2 to 1.3 based on the fact that I really didn't want to see other folks that much. My system was Hip 80242, I almost never saw CMDR's there. Definitely no griefing, and I almost never spoke to other players when I did see them (when I didn't feel like it ). Fact of the matter is, there are several thousand? systems in Human Occupied Space, seems to me to be plenty of room to avoid people if you want to, while staying in Open.

Except by using/picking solo mode....you never actually have to see anyone else, anywhere. How is your situation "better"? Why should I follow your "advice"? What is my "incentive" for risking unpleasant experiences in open?

I've been a gamer for decades now...and I've had those "unique experiences" you speak of...in every game that allows PvP. Kinda renders the "unique" obsolete, eh? I'm of the age now where I no longer feel the need/desire to make someone else miserable for my enjoyment....and refuse to be someone else's content/misery outlet.

You are correct in one of your posts insofar as we both paid the same amount for the game, and both our opinions are equally valid. I'm not disputing that at all. However....your game play and enjoyment of the product put forth is also equivalent to mine, and I don't want to play in open....but I purchased a game that stated I didn't have to in order to be able to enjoy every facet of said game. People that want me to do something I'm unwilling to do, or to somehow devalue/lessen my contributions to game mechanics/systems are perfectly fine in stating those opinions. I'll fight for their right to state those opinions....but I'll be damned if I'll let them take away/devalue/lessen my enjoyment of the product I purchased.

I also daresay...that if FDevs do alter this core system, I'm well within my rights to ask for a refund, as the product that I originally purchased will have ceased to exist. I'm also reasonably certain I won't be alone in this reaction, should that undesirable day ever come to pass. Let us fervently hope it does not.

 

[Cody]

I'm kind of an adrenaline junky in real life, an addict if you will.

Give it up! You know it makes sense!

 

[Tiro]

if someone like me that dont even check the rankings though and do 900k-1m per day in bonds how he competes when he doesnt know what tier he is?

Intent is not required, your ranking will adjust others regardless of whether you are cognizant of it.

 

[Faded Glory]

This is a valid point. We all (open players) hope that the solo grinders are being countered by other solo grinders. I guess my gripe is really just that I, personally, can't do anything about them.

And that is completely understandable. Frustrating? Yes. Unfair? Not necessarily.

 

[Zphinx]

Don't mean this in any way to be rude, but have you thought about looking in real life for things to give you a rush? It's a shame if you feel you need to get your rushes from a computer game, when there's so much stuff to do in real life.

Uhhhh Yeaaaaahhhh that is a flat out REP+1 m8... great post

 

[fademist]

Intent is not required, your ranking will adjust others regardless of whether you are cognizant of it.

so he compete blindly .....and atm most of the ppl have more things to do than just go searching for CG's anyway

 

[Globusdiablo]

...No, the reason I have been avoiding open recently is because I have met people on this forum that I would not want to spend a moment of my game time with...

Couldn't agree more.

Fly safe

 

[yul7896]

I bet you are amazing at Call of Duty Black Ops, hanging out around spawn points and insta-kill everybody that get back into the battle. My Son played that game and even him a kid got fed up with that fast... I guess we are looking in general for more creative games to play, not just hurt other people while hidding behind a computer screen

Haha, nope. As I stated earlier, I played FPS in solo. And don't even really enjoy them so much anymore. Dying repeatedly with no consequence bores me.

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No, the reason I have been avoiding open recently is because I have met people on this forum that I would not want to spend a moment of my game time with. The shame is I will likely meet another one in a week or three, and likely decide to take a day or two away from the forums and a month or two away from open.

There are millions of people on Planet Earth that I wish I did not have to share resources with but we do. At least in ED we have a choice right?

 

[Zphinx]

Except by using/picking solo mode....you never actually have to see anyone else, anywhere. How is your situation "better"? Why should I follow your "advice"? What is my "incentive" for risking unpleasant experiences in open?

I've been a gamer for decades now...and I've had those "unique experiences" you speak of...in every game that allows PvP. Kinda renders the "unique" obsolete, eh? I'm of the age now where I no longer feel the need/desire to make someone else miserable for my enjoyment....and refuse to be someone else's content/misery outlet.

You are correct in one of your posts insofar as we both paid the same amount for the game, and both our opinions are equally valid. I'm not disputing that at all. However....your game play and enjoyment of the product put forth is also equivalent to mine, and I don't want to play in open....but I purchased a game that stated I didn't have to in order to be able to enjoy every facet of said game. People that want me to do something I'm unwilling to do, or to somehow devalue/lessen my contributions to game mechanics/systems are perfectly fine in stating those opinions. I'll fight for their right to state those opinions....but I'll be damned if I'll let them take away/devalue/lessen my enjoyment of the product I purchased.

I also daresay...that if FDevs do alter this core system, I'm well within my rights to ask for a refund, as the product that I originally purchased will have ceased to exist. I'm also reasonably certain I won't be alone in this reaction, should that undesirable day ever come to pass. Let us fervently hope it does not.

and here goes another "OH YEAH BABY" +1 REP for a perfectly executed post... Gosh do I love reading posts where content is more powerful than someone trying to lure someone into being the content of their gameplay.


Little sidenote:

All the Open Players understood from the very beginning that there would be a SOLO MODE, and that there would be people playing side by side in the same galaxy, and you all still bought the game. However, the same people who knew about this "Issue" still purchased the game, and are trying now to convince people to go into open as there is no game content... are you guys even looking at what you are asking for? We are not your content, we are customers of the same game, we have the same rights.

 

[Tiro]

You are ignoring the point though, "may" there is a also a "may" that they are the only ones in system on that instance. They are in effect "solo" players to you even though they are in Open and minutely affecting cg/PP vs what you are doing. It has also been stated before that you cannot barricade a system 24/7, you have to sleep, you are not going to see everyone in the system, etc, etc.


And please answer this, "And where is this mythical disadvantage you have in CG and PP? What both sides do AFFECTS both sides. I also notice that there is no complaint about the solo players who's actions help you, just against those who actions are different than yours. All solo players are not on the same side."

I've a ready explained the inherent competition in CG to fademist. See above.

To have any merit your point relies on all players in open travelling back and forth to a CG without ever encountering another player, which you must know in practice will not happen. You will likely encounter other players in open, which makes CG a more challenging endeavor.

 

[Dave1235]

<pokes head out of cupboard> That sort of rush I simply don't need - is that another reason?

Would you like some milk to calm your nerves , Pssst Steve you live close, get Cody some more cookies I will pay for them! (and don't forget to lock the cupboard door!), Cody is Dangerous I tell you, Dangerous! (will be Deadly in something soon ), the door may need reinforcing.

<shudders>

I think we need to use PM's from now on. Cody is watching, <looks over shoulder and whistles nonchalantly>

 

[yul7896]

Except by using/picking solo mode....you never actually have to see anyone else, anywhere. How is your situation "better"? Why should I follow your "advice"? What is my "incentive" for risking unpleasant experiences in open?

The situation in Open isn't better, just as the situation in Solo isn't better, they are just different. I happen to enjoy the different experience of Open. And many people happen to enjoy the different experience of Solo, they both have their place.

I hope to encourage more CMDRs to play in Open because I feel like people are missing out on experiences they may enjoy if they didn't constantly see threads and forum posts about non-existent griefers.

 

[Dave1235]

When I was that kid's age, my mum would've been shutting me in the cupboard, not trying to entice me out or giving me milk!

I think we might be related

 

[Mercy Killing]

your point about me not being able to attack all people at all times is specious.

It most certainly is not specious. It is a known fact of game design that only a maximum of 31 other people will ever be in an instance with you at any given time. It's also a known fact that that number is further affected by things such as ping time, packet loss and poor connections, possibly even further reducing it.

Your assertions are specious at best, to use your own terminology. Given lousy connections, time of play, or perhaps even deliberate manipulation, a player can(and this scenario already most likely currently occurs in game) effectively render themselves untouchable/ungroupable in open, thus rendering in impossible for anyone to "interact" with them. Thus, open players can, and most likely do, accomplish CG and PP goals without the possibility of ever encountering another player.

Then, there's the impending advent of console release. Those players will also be able to effect changes upon the background simulator without the possibility of ANY PC player ever being able to counter them in real time. How is this any different from the solo PC player? Short version: it isn't. Yet I'll bet you're perfectly fine with console players playing the same BGS as you.

 

[fademist]

I've a ready explained the inherent competition in CG to fademist. See above.

To have any merit your point relies on all players in open travelling back and forth to a CG without ever encountering another player, which you must know in practice will not happen. You will likely encounter other players in open, which makes CG a more challenging endeavor.

AGAIN CAUSE U DONT READ WHAT I SAID: YOU SEE IT AS COMPETITION DONT TRY TO TWIST THINGS....

 

[yul7896]

and here goes another "OH YEAH BABY" +1 REP for a perfectly executed post... Gosh do I love reading posts where content is more powerful than someone trying to lure someone into being the content of their gameplay.


Little sidenote:

All the Open Players understood from the very beginning that there would be a SOLO MODE, and that there would be people playing side by side in the same galaxy, and you all still bought the game. However, the same people who knew about this "Issue" still purchased the game, and are trying now to convince people to go into open as there is no game content... are you guys even looking at what you are asking for? We are not your content, we are customers of the same game, we have the same rights.

Yes, yes you do. We are all humans on planet earth. We all play ED. I just think that there are a lot of people who play in Solo because they read one forum post about someone getting popped by a _____, and they stick to Solo forever, or quit outright.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Intent is not required, your ranking will adjust others regardless of whether you are cognizant of it.

ok so i ask again as either your ignored it or i missed your answer last time.

What solution can you propose which does not completely destroy the game for players who bought it on the promise that some could play open, some could play solo and do their thing and that each party would have access to all the content, but at the same time they can group up together and play socially when ever they want as a group. This was the pitch I made to a number of people... these people were reticent to pay the high (for a pc game) price as it was, without removing thier sole reason to purchase

and if your answer is sucks to be them tough!.... then should FD pay for the refunds when players content is forcibly removed as the game no longer has the features advertised.?

There are heaps of competative MP games...... some are even set in space, but there are not many games offering modes like elite so it is slim pickings for the players like myself.

 

[Faded Glory]

I've a ready explained the inherent competition in CG to fademist. See above.

To have any merit your point relies on all players in open travelling back and forth to a CG without ever encountering another player, which you must know in practice will not happen. You will likely encounter other players in open, which makes CG a more challenging endeavor.

Your counter rather relies on the premise that meeting another CMDR is more dangerous than meeting a wing of highly ranked NPC's. The Open player has the choice to wing up for strength, too. For sure, some CMDRs are going to be way harder than NPCs, but not necessarily all.

 

[fademist]

Little sidenote:

All the Open Players understood from the very beginning that there would be a SOLO MODE, and that there would be people playing side by side in the same galaxy, and you all still bought the game. However, the same people who knew about this "Issue" still purchased the game, and are trying now to convince people to go into open as there is no game content... are you guys even looking at what you are asking for? We are not your content, we are customers of the same game, we have the same rights.

from what we proved in this hells pit thread not all done their homework aka research before buy

 

[Mouse]

Except by using/picking solo mode....you never actually have to see anyone else, anywhere. How is your situation "better"? Why should I follow your "advice"? What is my "incentive" for risking unpleasant experiences in open?

I've been a gamer for decades now...and I've had those "unique experiences" you speak of...in every game that allows PvP. Kinda renders the "unique" obsolete, eh? I'm of the age now where I no longer feel the need/desire to make someone else miserable for my enjoyment....and refuse to be someone else's content/misery outlet.

You are correct in one of your posts insofar as we both paid the same amount for the game, and both our opinions are equally valid. I'm not disputing that at all. However....your game play and enjoyment of the product put forth is also equivalent to mine, and I don't want to play in open....but I purchased a game that stated I didn't have to in order to be able to enjoy every facet of said game. People that want me to do something I'm unwilling to do, or to somehow devalue/lessen my contributions to game mechanics/systems are perfectly fine in stating those opinions. I'll fight for their right to state those opinions....but I'll be damned if I'll let them take away/devalue/lessen my enjoyment of the product I purchased.

I also daresay...that if FDevs do alter this core system, I'm well within my rights to ask for a refund, as the product that I originally purchased will have ceased to exist. I'm also reasonably certain I won't be alone in this reaction, should that undesirable day ever come to pass. Let us fervently hope it does not.

^ This ^ sooo this..