Modes The Solo vs Open vs Groups Thread - Part the Second [Now With Added Platforms].
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I'm a "large part" eh, I think you give me more credit than I deserve. But thanks anyway
Here are the stats you asked for.
5 Status Quo defenders, 4 Open advocates and a Mod.... so not a bad split for the 3 figure posting club.
Also, I spent over 6 hours posting where I was in Open, even accept random friend requests while playing Open.... never seen any of the folks who friended me, and seen the same number of people in Open that I see in a private group. At what point was I avoiding anything.... oh wait, I wasn't. 400 Billion Star systems, quite easy to not see anyone - even in Open.
As for "cherry pick", LMAO. You've failed every attempt to bring any sort of reason to "improve" (unfairly boost) Open or mess with the other modes - why would I need to cherry pick, when you undermine your own arguments ?
I've said before and will say again - half the reason people won't Open mode, is the attitude of Open mode advocates. You yourselves put people off, it has nothing to do with what I post on the forums and EVERYTHING to do with what you guys are posting in game and on the forums.
There are exceptions by the way. Three of the Open advocates in this thread have convinced me to try Open more often... I'm just waiting for the rest of the Open advocates to leave the game first
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I'm a "large part" eh, I think you give me more credit than I deserve. But thanks anyway
Here are the stats you asked for.
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5 Status Quo defenders, 4 Open advocates and a Mod.... so not a bad split for the 3 figure posting club.
Also, I spent over 6 hours posting where I was in Open, even accept random friend requests while playing Open.... never seen any of the folks who friended me, and seen the same number of people in Open that I see in a private group. At what point was I avoiding anything.... oh wait, I wasn't. 400 Billion Star systems, quite easy to not see anyone - even in Open.
As for "cherry pick", LMAO. You've failed every attempt to bring any sort of reason to "improve" (unfairly boost) Open or mess with the other modes - why would I need to cherry pick, when you undermine your own arguments ?
I've said before and will say again - half the reason people won't Open mode, is the attitude of Open mode advocates. You yourselves put people off, it has nothing to do with what I post on the forums and EVERYTHING to do with what you guys are posting in game and on the forums.
There are exceptions by the way. Three of the Open advocates in this thread have convinced me to try Open more often... I'm just waiting for the rest of the Open advocates to leave the game first
Again Cherry picking. The statistics clearly show that solo/group advocates are posting far more than the top Open players are. Why? To suppress Open players from posting...
Being prudent is not cowardice, using junk ships to take out larger prey is, attacking transports and haulers is, you claim Jockey cherry picks things and is not worth talking to, yet you are doing the same thing. YOU view someone using a lesser ship not their most expensive ship in open is cowardice when it is no such thing. You are picking cowardice to mean what you feel it means not it's actual meaning. Cowardice means to lack bravery, in no way does it say your cannot be smart as well as brave. A transport running away from fighters it has no hope of defeating is not cowardice, the pilot is trying to save his ship when put into an impossible situation.
To face certain doom with no hope of changing the outcome, that isn't bravery, or courage, that is machoistic stupidity.
Not quite what he meant, let me help....
This can be used to describe anyone who refuses to use Open.
It can also be used to describe any Open player in a combat ship who interdicts anything other than a combat ship equally equipped.
No wizards. The little utility which can do miracles is called Wireshark. And with this tool, an average chinese programmer will write from dusk till dawn an utility which will display ships and commander names inside a pop-up window with options Enable/Disable. Really, it is not a rocket science....
Again Cherry picking. The statistics clearly show that solo/group advocates are posting far more than the top Open players are. Why? To suppress Open players from posting...
We post more as we have to repeat ourselves more. It really is that simple.
I've had to link the Kickstart information (despite it being in the thread more than once) over 10 times so far... so 10 of my posts are letting people know what the KS deal was.
That is not my fault, Open advocates don't understand the concept of reading a thread from page one (1) or even reading the first page then jumping to the end. If they did, I'd not have to post basic information over and over
This would force the hauler to use his brains, find a less popular route or modifying his ship to better avoid interdictions. Or, uhm... flip a switch.
And of course, it's very brave to sit anonymously at your computer and insult people you do not know because of the way they choose to play a computer game.
atak2
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If you have a anaconda in solo - you should bring the anaconda in open if you want to play in open. If you won't you are clearly avoiding risk (and open isn't even that risky) so I believe that at least falls in the realm of severe risk avoidance which in other words is...
So anyone who does not manually decide their route and just follow the suggested one, is brain dead then?
Have you ever used a Sat Nav in your car at all?
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shhh, I'm enjoying the irony
atak2
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We post more as we have to repeat ourselves more. It really is that simple.
I've had to link the Kickstart information (despite it being in the thread more than once) over 10 times so far... so 10 of my posts are letting people know what the KS deal was.
That is not my fault, Open advocates don't understand the concept of reading a thread from page one (1) or even reading the first page then jumping to the end. If they did, I'd not have to post basic information over and over
They can read data as much as you can.
You are spamming. People have read it, find it's vague or outdated and you continue spamming it because you are unable to understand it's no longer relevant.
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Just a short note, before I will go to sleep.
It is kind of funny, how the arguments for Player Killing (in modern, politically correct times known as PvP) are always the same. I read the same things in 1996 (?) on Compuserve and FIDONet, when Ultima Online was new and there was a problem with PKs in the game. Through years, all those discussions and arguments are always the same, over and over again.
One would said that maybe in 20+ years, the PKs/griefers really should realise that allow PKing/griefing is a bad bussiness, because in multiplayer games, those who bring new money are beginners. And if the game allow to molest beginners, they will simply spend their money somewhere else.
I know, this works against the will of seasoned PKs/griefers who would like to see a fresh meat in their grinder, but seriously, the seasoned player already paid for his game long, long time ago and is a non-factor in a bussiness model. Beside this, no one likes the PKs, not even the developers. This is reality.
It is kind of funny, how the arguments for Player Killing (in modern, politically correct times known as PvP) are always the same. I read the same things in 1996 (?) on Compuserve and FIDONet, when Ultima Online was new and there was a problem with PKs in the game. Through years, all those discussions and arguments are always the same, over and over again.
One would said that maybe in 20+ years, the PKs/griefers really should realise that allow PKing/griefing is a bad bussiness, because in multiplayer games, those who bring new money are beginners. And if the game allow to molest beginners, they will simply spend their money somewhere else.
I know, this works against the will of seasoned PKs/griefers who would like to see a fresh meat in their grinder, but seriously, the seasoned player already paid for his game long, long time ago and is a non-factor in a bussiness model. Beside this, no one likes the PKs, not even the developers. This is reality.
LOL
Spamming? Really? You've not added anything new since half way through the last mega, yet you're still posting....
And people have not read it, that is why I keep posting it - heck even some Mods have had to repost it due to people not reading it.
As for "relevant", as it was the basis for taking money off people to fund the game to start with - it will always be "relevant".
If you want another space game with rules you prefer, go KS fund one
Otherwise, you'd better stop spamming the thread with posts that add nothing new
So everyone should be like you so NPCs are no threat because we are all awesome Beetlbum. Plrent have sadi they found NPC's to be difficult
They didn't make bad design decision. People sometimes just want to be over the top A holes
Games been out 2 and a half years has it? And you could have pulled out any time you want but didn't, now you want things your way?
Nope not speculating, they are called analogies.
Yet again.. unless everyone is awesome Beetlebum, which they are not by the way, NPC's are no threat. Again many people have posted they are a threat. Because suprise skill levels and equipment are not all the same
Get their names and get em when they come out of Solo, PVPers are doing this not PVEers yet you want to punish others for your own players actions. No different than someone flagging PVP in another game ganking you then deflagging and hiding till the PVP flag fades. You have to be creative in getting them.
Again, you didn't compete in what you deem " fairly but now are trying to get others to. And again, It has been stated before that those who use that method don't fare well in PVP. To put it in Football terms for you, it would be some training only on virtual reality then trying to participate in a live game. They would not be equal to the skill and performance of those who had been practicing live the entire time. It is not you to police people and only let them PVP if their skill is a certain level, it is their choice on whether to participate or not.
And what about someone who's played in Solo since the game came out and decided to try and see how open was? Are they now cheating because "Gasp" they didn't earn the ship they fly while they were in open?
atak2
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I have no idea why you keep bringing this issue up.
Players that enjoy solo and private groups should enjoy themselves in those settings. I and virtually every other open player does not want to force solo players to participate in PvP with us. We want a separate mode where players choose to join us if they like the notion of PvP.
That's it. I don't want you to be my content! If you are happy in solo, stay there. All I want is solo/group activities not affecting PvP play.
Again Cherry picking. The statistics clearly show that solo/group advocates are posting far more than the top Open players are. Why? To suppress Open players from posting...
u can twist the truth jockey hit u us much u want ..u wont accomplish anything anyway
We post more as we have to repeat ourselves more. It really is that simple.
I've had to link the Kickstart information (despite it being in the thread more than once) over 10 times so far... so 10 of my posts are letting people know what the KS deal was.
That is not my fault, Open advocates don't understand the concept of reading a thread from page one (1) or even reading the first page then jumping to the end. If they did, I'd not have to post basic information over and over
You don't really, you know. Nothing any of us say will change the devs minds on this issue. In the end what difference would silence on all our parts make?
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Nor have you! I post far less frequently as well. You are a problem with this thread long before I become the issue.
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